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Why are people complaining?

Rizen

Rizen

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I don't understand why people are complaining so much about Doom3's video card requirements. I have seen quite a few people complain "OMG Doom3 needs 512MB of video memory for maximum detail!! WTF I just upgraded and I won't be able to max out the effects!!". First off, you chose to upgrade before the game came out - that's not NVIDIA or ATI's fault. Secondly, why does everyone now expect to be able to game at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 with AF + AA? Just because the hardware curve has been a bit faster than the gaming graphics curve the last couple of years doesn't mean it will stay that way. I remember when I first got Quake 3, I played at 640x480 @ 24fps average, and I didn't complain, because I was enjoying the game.

I am glad that developers are finally releasing games which PUSH hardware. I don't care if I have to turn down the effects - I already only use 1024x768 with 2X FSAA + 8X AF, so if I have to turn down stuff a bit it's no big deal.

I think a lot of you guys are just a wee bit jaded with your hardware.
 
Yeh I see no reason to complain. I know the card I bought will have great performance (6800GT) relative to other video hardware due to Nvidia's excellent OpenGL performance and ultrashadow2 feature that doom3 uses for shadows, even if I can't use 512mb textures if they happen to be in game.

I think my BFG 6800GT OC is awesome, and I can't wait for Doom3 to get here so I can unleash it on it! :)
 
Rizen said:
I don't understand why people are complaining so much about Doom3's video card requirements.....
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No matter how many times it happens to me, buying hardware that is "outdated" 2 weeks after I get it still comes as a bit of a surprise. :p
 
LabRat said:
No matter how many times it happens to me, buying hardware that is "outdated" 2 weeks after I get it still comes as a bit of a surprise. :p
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no shit right?
You get it and yoru all "Ive got the baddest motherfvcker out there" look at a website or magazine and see the new one and your ass "WTF? when the thell did this shit come out?"

makes upgrading fun LOL
 
well i didnt know that doom 3 used 512 mb of textures for the game. but i figure if you have a 256 mb video card and an apature size of 256 you should be able to run the 512 textures fine. thats the whole point of having a bad ass video card. and a very nice processor i know my 3500+ should do that fine. with its on board mem controller and 6600 mbs of bandwidth im sure i can pull that off no problem.
 
the real question is, how will the eye-candy cope with today's GPU's? the screenshots look unholy (better than halflife 2's)
 
oh and P.S.

its about time a game company steps up and creates a game that rewards people with high end systems. Not only this but this will push a hardware advancement in no time since people are gonna upgrade to play. This looks like nothing but good news to me 8)

now lets just hope my BFG 6800 ultra OC comes in on time 07-26-04 8(
 
Xenozx said:
oh and P.S.

its about time a game company steps up and creates a game that rewards people with high end systems. Not only this but this will push a hardware advancement in no time since people are gonna upgrade to play. This looks like nothing but good news to me 8)
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i agree. this isn't some halflife 2 with great scalability, it is pure power
 
Xenozx said:
well i didnt know that doom 3 used 512 mb of textures for the game. but i figure if you have a 256 mb video card and an apature size of 256 you should be able to run the 512 textures fine. thats the whole point of having a bad ass video card. and a very nice processor i know my 3500+ should do that fine. with its on board mem controller and 6600 mbs of bandwidth im sure i can pull that off no problem.
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I realy dont think you want textures swapping out to your system memory. Of course if you dont mind 5 frames persecond performance then I guess it could work
 
Xenozx said:
oh and P.S.

its about time a game company steps up and creates a game that rewards people with high end systems. Not only this but this will push a hardware advancement in no time since people are gonna upgrade to play. This looks like nothing but good news to me 8)

now lets just hope my BFG 6800 ultra OC comes in on time 07-26-04 8(
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You might have a different opinion if you didn't have 400 dollars to plunk down on a card every year.
 
jacuzz1 said:
I realy dont think you want textures swapping out to your system memory. Of course if you dont mind 5 frames persecond performance then I guess it could work
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IIRC Textures swapping out to your system memory will hardly hurt your performance at all. For example, I have a ATI 9700 pro and when I ran the hacked x800 demo or ruby on my card (uses twice the video memory I have) when I had the apeture at 64mb I got unwatchable framerates; when I set it to 256mb I averaged 28FPS which is better than 9800xt's do on that demo (of course my card runs faster than many stock 980xt's...).

What WILL kill your performance is swapping out to your system page file. The reason being that hard drives are infinetley slower than memory; basically any solid state transfer is going to be very fast; any mechanical transfer is going to be slow.
 
heheh no complaining here... but as far as i know.. i remember a professor here at my school was telling us how it's always one or the other.. hardware pushes for better and more demanding software.. or software pushes for better hardware.. fun fun fun...i ain't complaining anyway.. as long as i can play the game wit ha decent frame rate and decent graphics.. it's all good in the hood kid...
 
drako said:
You might have a different opinion if you didn't have 400 dollars to plunk down on a card every year.
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I don't and I don't. If they didn't develop software to push hardware we would never have any innovation. After all, if there wasn't a need to get around quickly or transport things, we would have never invented the wheel, which means we would still be in the dark age. Something always has to drive innovation and I think that such a popular vehicle as Doom 3 is being used in this case.

I only wish doom 3 was made on a DVD. Of course you with your thinking may be happier if we had 4000 floppies.
 
but in the same way if nvidia hadn't of pushed sm3.0 then when the R500/NV50 etc. came out the software wouldn't be as polished don't you think?
 
Personally, I'm waiting for the 512 mb cards to come out before I upgrade this time... I've spent way too much in the past 2 1/2 years on video upgrades. When the 512 cards hit, they'll provide rendering on the Doom III engine the way it was meant to look - and by that time, there should be more and more games licensing the engine - so it's all good....

By that time, I'll probably just build a whole new rig to take advantage of all the big changes....

Just my 2 cents
 
jhtevans said:
Personally, I'm waiting for the 512 mb cards to come out before I upgrade this time... I've spent way too much in the past 2 1/2 years on video upgrades. When the 512 cards hit, they'll provide rendering on the Doom III engine the way it was meant to look - and by that time, there should be more and more games licensing the engine - so it's all good....

By that time, I'll probably just build a whole new rig to take advantage of all the big changes....

Just my 2 cents
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I'm with ya :cool:
 
Im gonna wait and see some benchmarks to see for real if having a 512meg card is gonna be all its hyped up to be according to Id software.
 
I only wish doom 3 was made on a DVD. Of course you with your thinking may be happier if we had 4000 floppies.
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That is hilarious...


anyway correct me if im wrong but the new cards are very cpu limited. secondly a new cpu (3500+) oced to 3800+ speeds and it has a memory bandwidth of 6.5 gb/s. what is the bandwidth of the agp port? i know pci express is here and its a little better but from what i heard games arnt even stressing 8x agp yet. so sending info from the memory on your computer to the videocard at 6.5 gb/s is more memory then the game itself is made on (ex 40000 floppies) so that tells me that even with 512 mb of video card mem that having 256 on card mem and the memory bandwidth stated above wont be that big of a diff. yea probably like the diff between the agp 8x and pci 16 x as of today.

my 2 cents.,
 
Xenozx said:
well i didnt know that doom 3 used 512 mb of textures for the game. but i figure if you have a 256 mb video card and an apature size of 256 you should be able to run the 512 textures fine. thats the whole point of having a bad ass video card. and a very nice processor i know my 3500+ should do that fine. with its on board mem controller and 6600 mbs of bandwidth im sure i can pull that off no problem.
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Apparently, it greys out the "Ultra High" quality setting unless it detects 512MB of on-video card memory.
 
Rizen said:
Apparently, it greys out the "Ultra High" quality setting unless it detects 512MB of on-video card memory.
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lol one word: sweet (although i think its bull and this is way more than one word ;))
 
Apparently, it greys out the "Ultra High" quality setting unless it detects 512MB of on-video card memory.
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thats very upsetting. i dont like that at all. how long do you think it will take till someone hacks that though?
 
Xenozx said:
thats very upsetting. i dont like that at all. how long do you think it will take till someone hacks that though?
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Meh, you probably can hack it through the config file, but I would bet ID has a very good reason for doing that.
 
i still don't believe it's true although we'll find out soon enough ;). but it's a shame our hardware is outdated before even bought
 
tornadotsunamilife said:
i still don't believe it's true although we'll find out soon enough ;). but it's a shame our hardware is outdated before even bought
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Not really. You will still run the game perfectly fine - all this means is that the engine is a lot more future proof. I prefer it this way then the developers coding for the "lowest common denominator".
 
Rizen said:
Meh, you probably can hack it through the config file, but I would bet ID has a very good reason for doing that.
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They probably don't want 50000 people with geforce mx's and radeon 7500's complaining that "Doom 3 runs like crap" and ruining the games rep (much like people wiht 512mb of memory complaining that far cry ran like crap. If you have 1gb memory, a radeon 9600 will get you 1024x768 maxed out settings just fine, and my 9700 will take 1280x1024 all settings maxed and hardly ever dip below 40FPS). They put the option in there for people with amazing rigs, and it makes sense that people without them would not be able to use it. However; I would be willing to bet that some 256mb cards such as the BFG 6800 ultra extreme edition oc will be able to handle ultra detail with a fast enough (3800+ AMD or 3.6-8ghz Intel) chip.

Of course thats just my 2 cents, I could be totally wrong.
 
computerpro3 said:
I only wish doom 3 was made on a DVD. Of course you with your thinking may be happier if we had 4000 floppies.
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Damn straight. I miss floppies. Actually I wish there was a DVD version too. One DVD instead of six CDs was very convenient for UT2k4.

I have no problem with innovation.. I just would prefer it keep it's current pace.
 
computerpro3 said:
They probably don't want 50000 people with geforce mx's and radeon 7500's complaining that "Doom 3 runs like crap" and ruining the games rep (much like people wiht 512mb of memory complaining that far cry ran like crap. If you have 1gb memory, a radeon 9600 will get you 1024x768 maxed out settings just fine, and my 9700 will take 1280x1024 all settings maxed and hardly ever dip below 40FPS). They put the option in there for people with amazing rigs, and it makes sense that people without them would not be able to use it. However; I would be willing to bet that some 256mb cards such as the BFG 6800 ultra extreme edition oc will be able to handle ultra detail with a fast enough (3800+ AMD or 3.6-8ghz Intel) chip.

Of course thats just my 2 cents, I could be totally wrong.
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This is probably true. However, I guess it depends on the level of texture detail. If they are using HUGE textures, it really might need that extra RAM. It's all speculation until its in our hands, anyways.

P.S. Is FarCry gonna run like crap on my machine? I only have 512MB of memory, but it's gonna be FAST memory..
 
computerpro3 said:
They probably don't want 50000 people with geforce mx's and radeon 7500's complaining that "Doom 3 runs like crap" and ruining the games rep (much like people wiht 512mb of memory complaining that far cry ran like crap. If you have 1gb memory, a radeon 9600 will get you 1024x768 maxed out settings just fine, and my 9700 will take 1280x1024 all settings maxed and hardly ever dip below 40FPS). They put the option in there for people with amazing rigs, and it makes sense that people without them would not be able to use it. However; I would be willing to bet that some 256mb cards such as the BFG 6800 ultra extreme edition oc will be able to handle ultra detail with a fast enough (3800+ AMD or 3.6-8ghz Intel) chip.

Of course thats just my 2 cents, I could be totally wrong.
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exactly and thats the main reason i bought that exact card and have a 3500+ overclocked past 3800+ (it beats FX-53's) and i have 1 gb of 2-3-2-5 mem running at 440 mhz!

i have come to the battle prepared and i plan on taking on the 512 texture setting!
 
Rizen said:
P.S. Is FarCry gonna run like crap on my machine? I only have 512MB of memory, but it's gonna be FAST memory..
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Speed of memory won't really matter. You won't have memory faster than the 512mb sitting in my machine right now on loan (how bout some hot 4ghz 1/1 2-2-2-5 action for u) and it doesn't make much of a difference compared to 1GB. It won't run like total crap due to your video card, but the load times will SUCK and every time you will start a level you will have to take out all of your guns and shoot each one once to let it cache, use the binocs once, turn on night vision and the flashlight. Then it should run fairly smooth. ITs a pain in the ass to let everything cache though. IF you don't do that to start, when you switch out guns in the middle a firefight, it will lag like crazy and you'll die. Also with 512mb sniper zoom sucks majorly (I'm talking like 15FPS compared to like 40FPS with 1GB; the hard drive goes insane with paging.) Explosions suck too; you miss a few frames of them.

OF course, you could always lower the settings (specifically textures as I think thats what eats up memory) but I accept nothing less than 1280x1024 with 16xAF. My 9700 pro must really hate me. The damn thing gets so hot even watercooled and ramsinked out that I swear sweat must be dripping off it.
 
Xenozx said:
i have come to the battle prepared and i plan on taking on the 512 texture setting!
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So do I. First time round I will suffer through the game on my 9700 just to see what every1's talking about (I'm not upgrading to a video card now when I know a 512mb model will be out within months and my 9700 is still handling ANYTHING I throw at it beautifully), but I have a 74GB raptor and 1GB corsair coming in this or next week at latest, and come november or Christmas I will leap for the best 512mb card available. Pair that up with my 4GHZ chip and I plan on maxing out that 60FPS cap 1600x1200 maxed out no aa/af. Or coming pretty damn close.
 
computerpro3 said:
So do I. First time round I will suffer through the game on my 9700 just to see what every1's talking about (I'm not upgrading to a video card now when I know a 512mb model will be out within months and my 9700 is still handling ANYTHING I throw at it beautifully), but I have a 74GB raptor and 1GB corsair coming in this or next week at latest, and come november or Christmas I will leap for the best 512mb card available. Pair that up with my 4GHZ chip and I plan on maxing out that 60FPS cap 1600x1200 maxed out no aa/af. Or coming pretty damn close.
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yes sir i have my baracuda drives in raid 0 config. with the out of stockness going on with the new cards im probably gonna play the game on my 9700 pro the first time around too. the good news is if you buy a 256 card now you can always ebay it later and pay the difference for a 512 mb card if you have the money. I still live with my parents so this really isnt a big deal for me, but i understand the previous comment i read about the average person spending 400 dollars on a card seems to be over kill. and im pretty sure a 256 mb card is going to get you by well into 2005 and then some. how long ago did the 9700 pro come out? exactly...
 
Xenozx said:
how long ago did the 9700 pro come out? exactly...
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Very good point. Of course I have watercooled, modded, ramsinked, etc. my 9700 to wring every last bit of life out of it, but then, hey, who's to say I won't do that to my new one either? ;)
 
Rizen said:
Meh, you probably can hack it through the config file, but I would bet ID has a very good reason for doing that.
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yeah, cause if you hack and unlock the UltraHigh quality setting...you secretly unleash the REAL portal to hell. So instead of playing a game, your playing in real life, fighting off hordes of zombies and other demons. Only those with enough cash to buy a 512mb vid card can fight back the hordes of zombies, because they can afford to buy guns and ammo and other provisions needed to win.





fine....im retarded
 
Though I can understand why people complain that they won´t be able to see the full glory with 500$ video cards and such when they are actually playing it they won´t be complaining really. Unless they are to stubborn to go below 1600x1200 :cool:

As with Far Cry. On my 9800 PRO yes it was very demanding it was just enough to let me fully enjoy the game with everything maxed at 1024x768 with 2xaa and 4x aniso. It still looked much much better than anything I played before so I sure as hell didn´t complain.

Though I am used to this phenomena. I don´t expect Doom 3 to be any more demanding then say LOMAC. That is also a game engine that is built to last 4-5 years.

It´s the right way to do it really as long as it scales down well there isn´t a problem.
 
I'll wait and see if this is true, I dont trust pcgamer to talk about hardware. Especially when they say youll need a 500mb video card and not a 512mb video card.
 
In this case I believe them. I guess that´s why nVidia announced their 512 mb version on launch day. They hope Doom 3 will sell them.
 
yea my question now is, where did you get the info that only a 512 meg card can do ultra modem.
 
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