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Whos with me....?

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Tordek

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Im getting pretty tired about all the people drooling at BB for their new GT or X800 or whatever new card is going around.


The only game that could actually get some noticeable benefit from these new cards is FarCry. And I know that each and everyone of the people getting the card already beat FarCry once or twice. So, why get it now?

Many will say that for hl2 and doom3 but... How on earth could you be completely sure what card will handle those games as you want them to...

I mean people, where are dishing serious cash on this cards. $300 - $500 bucks its a lot of money (almost half of what my actual rig costed.)

I started this thread just to try and make people chill out on these cards... Remember that as enthusiasts we pretty much control the demand on high end computer equipment, and that this Frenzy over the cards is the main reason why they cost SO DAMN MUCH...
 
because you aren't [H] unless you have the fastest card on the block
 
chinoquezada said:
The only game that could actually get some noticeable benefit from these new cards is FarCry. And I know that each and everyone of the people getting the card already beat FarCry once or twice. So, why get it now?
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I'm getting an x800 pro soon, and I have yet to beat FarCry.
 
chinoquezada said:
Im getting pretty tired about all the people drooling at BB for their new GT or X800 or whatever new card is going around.


The only game that could actually get some noticeable benefit from these new cards is FarCry. And I know that each and everyone of the people getting the card already beat FarCry once or twice. So, why get it now?

Many will say that for hl2 and doom3 but... How on earth could you be completely sure what card will handle those games as you want them to...

I mean people, where are dishing serious cash on this cards. $300 - $500 bucks its a lot of money (almost half of what my actual rig costed.)

I started this thread just to try and make people chill out on these cards... Remember that as enthusiasts we pretty much control the demand on high end computer equipment, and that this Frenzy over the cards is the main reason why they cost SO DAMN MUCH...
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Why wouldn't you want the best card money can buy for Doom3 and HL2? And why in God's green earth wouldn't they run the games as you would want them to? I know my 6800 GT OC will run Doom3 and HL2 a lot better then my 9800 XT will. ;)
 
I was upgrading anyway from a Radeon 8500, why would I not get one of the new generation cards? My X800 pro makes the old card look like a kid drawing with crayons...
 
peltman78 said:
I was upgrading anyway from a Radeon 8500, why would I not get one of the new generation cards? My X800 pro makes the old card look like a kid drawing with crayons...
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Amen. I was coming from a GeForce Ti4400. The x800 Pro is a dream. It makes my old card look like a kid with downs drawing with crayons. Besides, it was upgrade time anyway.
 
I haven't beaten Far Cry. However, I will now that I got my GT. :p

Anyway, I needed to upgrade from my ti4400. In recent games like NFS:U, MC2, and BF:V I was turning down a lot of video options. Not to mention, I was never really able to use AF with that card.
 
Two words. Image Quality. You should see Desert Combat, Call of Duty etc etc etc. I don't play Far Cry because I personally didn't care for it. I bought an X800 Pro because I fried my 9800XT and I don't regret it one bit. The difference between the two cards is amazing and the 9800XT is a decent card. Of course now that it's fixed I have an X800Pro and a 9800XT :) I agree with you on the part of it being a frenzy though. I paid 39.00 over MSRP for my Sapphire X800Pro and I've seen far worse prices.
 
Whats FarCry?


jk...never played it yet tho...and personally, the card isn't costing me a thing (building someone else a rig .... they get my G 4 TI4600, i get the X800 XT)

Besides, you need to be preaching to the ebayers paying $900 not us!
 
Dude, even CS looks better on these cards. i thought i detected a nostril hair in my scope :D
 
chinoquezada said:
Many will say that for hl2 and doom3 but... How on earth could you be completely sure what card will handle those games as you want them to...
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Usually... high end cards come out at or around the time that the latest and greatest games come out.

Of course the new cards will be FREAKING AWESOME for the new games... the software developers work with the hardware companies... they will take advantage of new features and instruction sets.

The X800XT and 6800Ultra were designed with/for the newest titles...

If you dont want to pay top dollar, get a 6800nu or GT when the prices drop... after the games debut. Those will play HL2 and D3 very nicely.
 
its a hobby. some people like to spend lots pimpin' out their cars, some like to spend money on an expensive set of golf clubs, some like to go camping.

some people like to have the top computer hardware. its just a hobby.
 
OPUS1 said:
It's not about today or tommorrow!
It's about the future :eek:
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9-12 months from now these current cards won't mean squat. This generation cards is not all about Far Cry (although you will see close to double the performance going from a 9800 Pro or FX card) and this is from both the NV40 and X800. That's what this is all about.
 
CSx-2011 said:
If you dont want to pay top dollar, get a 6800nu or GT when the prices drop... after the games debut. Those will play HL2 and D3 very nicely.
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As will the X800Pro!
 
chinoquezada said:
The only game that could actually get some noticeable benefit from these new cards is FarCry. And I know that each and everyone of the people getting the card already beat FarCry once or twice. So, why get it now?
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Depends on where you are coming from. In my case, I have a TI4600 and I plan on upgrading within 1-2 months. The x800/6800 line are appealing. Going from my current card to a x800/6800 series will yield a 200-300% increase in frame rate alone in many games, never mind image quality.

Halo crawls to a near slide-show speeds at intense times on my 3.2 Ghz/1 GHz PC3200 rig.
Same with FarCry and sometimes with BFV.

Since I dont upgrade often, I plan on getting a card I will be happy with for 1.5 to 2 years and not some leftover card from last year that will leave me with buyers remorse 8 months from now.

So no, I am not with you. :rolleyes:
 
Millow said:
its a hobby. some people like to spend lots pimpin' out their cars, some like to spend money on an expensive set of golf clubs, some like to go camping.

some people like to have the top computer hardware. its just a hobby.
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A very cheap hobby at that. People spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a car and yet it is still considered lower end. You can look in auto trader and good a perfectly good honda for under 10k.


In repsonse to the original poster, Its really all about priorities. I personally was sick of my ti4200 ever since I got my 22in monitor. 1024x768 w/o FSAA & AF just wasn't going to cut it anymore. So I decided to spend $300 on a bfg 6800 gt oc. Personally I don't consider $300 to be a lot of money. I figure I'll use the card for 1.5 years or so. Figure 550 days of good gaming for $300, that is like 55 cents a day. Big whoop. Now of course I realize some people on this forum are students w/o a job or are spending all their money on school, and thats cool. However, don't knock other people just because they have the green to spend on the latest and greatest. If it wasn't for people like that there would be no drive to make stuff faster and faster.
 
chinoquezada said:
Many will say that for hl2 and doom3 but... How on earth could you be completely sure what card will handle those games as you want them to...
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Because at twice the speed of 9800Pro's it 'll be a whole hell of alot closer to handling those games as we want them too.
 
So I'm getting a new card because I'm getting a new PC. My old (ancient) desktop (not my main machine) is a freakin' PII 350 MHz w/128MB RAM. It has to go. So I'm gonna get the best money can buy.
 
im sticking with my system (acctually gonna be a mobile 2400+ uber overclocked with w/cing in a week or so) untill i can geta full PCI-e/sata/BTX dual-core dothan system.
i see no need for anything more than a 9800pro in anything but farcry.
i think HL2 and doom3 will run great on my system.
 
I actually started this thread to read what you people had to say about my opinions. Pretty good stuff your replys...

First.

Yes it might be a case of mondays what made me write this.

Second.

I wasnt directing this to the poor soul who still tries to play FarCry with their Geforce Ti and that out of desperation shot their computer and has to buy a new one :p
You should, by all means necesary, get a new card...

Third.

I understand to people are free to do with their money what they like, but noone still has addressed the main issue in my original post.
"The fact that we enthusiast are willing to pay so much money on new cards its what makes them so damn expensive in the first place."

People who know something about electronics and semiconductors know that the money spent on the manufacture of each card is in now way compared to the prices they are charging for them.

Some of you might have thought, "An engineers pay doesnt come from the force of hitting the TV to make it work, but of the knowledge of where to direct the hit."

But, charging so much for silicon is criminal.


We as enthusiast CONTROL THE DEMAND on high end hardware (just as i said before). So why should be sit still while manufacturers charge us so much for technology.
 
chinoquezada said:
I actually started this thread to read what you people had to say about my opinions. Pretty good stuff your replys...

First.

Yes it might be a case of mondays what made me write this.

Second.

I wasnt directing this to the poor soul who still tries to play FarCry with their Geforce Ti and that out of desperation shot their computer and has to buy a new one :p
You should, by all means necesary, get a new card...

Third.

I understand to people are free to do with their money what they like, but noone still has addressed the main issue in my original post.
"The fact that we enthusiast are willing to pay so much money on new cards its what makes them so damn expensive in the first place."

People who know something about electronics and semiconductors know that the money spent on the manufacture of each card is in now way compared to the prices they are charging for them.

Some of you might have thought, "An engineers pay doesnt come from the force of hitting the TV to make it work, but of the knowledge of where to direct the hit."

But, charging so much for silicon is criminal.


We as enthusiast CONTROL THE DEMAND on high end hardware (just as i said before). So why should be sit still while manufacturers charge us so much for technology.
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I will answer your question with two words


DIGITAL CRACK :p
 
Millow said:
its a hobby. some people like to spend lots pimpin' out their cars, some like to spend money on an expensive set of golf clubs, some like to go camping.

some people like to have the top computer hardware. its just a hobby.
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I do all of those hobbies, minus camping. But I don't spend alot on golf clubs. But my theory is if you can pay the bills and have your cake too. Do it. You only live once. Might as well spend it enjoying life, and if working on computers and tweaking with the newest hardware so be it. Same goes for cars and golfing too.... :D
 
chinoquezada said:
Third.

I understand to people are free to do with their money what they like, but noone still has addressed the main issue in my original post.
"The fact that we enthusiast are willing to pay so much money on new cards its what makes them so damn expensive in the first place."

People who know something about electronics and semiconductors know that the money spent on the manufacture of each card is in now way compared to the prices they are charging for them.

Some of you might have thought, "An engineers pay doesnt come from the force of hitting the TV to make it work, but of the knowledge of where to direct the hit."

But, charging so much for silicon is criminal.


We as enthusiast CONTROL THE DEMAND on high end hardware (just as i said before). So why should be sit still while manufacturers charge us so much for technology.
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Yes we control the demand, in theory. But I don't think thats the major reason why the cards cost so much $$$ when they drop. I believe this is due to the amount of money that is spent not in the production of the hardware, but in its development. The overhead that is produced when devloping a cutting edge peice of hardware is to be pretty darn high. The release price of the developed product tends to be high to try and quickly recoop their spent money.

Bottom line is, if its considered a high end product, not matter what it cost to make, its gonna cost much more than a product lower than it. For instance Bently cost much more than a Ford. Ford isn't High end, Bently is.

The reason we pay so much for these parts, is cause we need it now! no matter the Price! Plain and simple.
 
I'd have to agree with the original poster. But then if someone wants to spend their money in that way, who am I to argue. It's their cash.
 
umm, we as enthusiasts control the price, and i don't have a problem with spending $400 or $500 on a card. others obviously don't either. what's the problem?

just because others can't afford vipers and lamborghinis, doesn't mean that those with the means to buy them will "refuse to pay" because they control the price.

case of the mondays? i think i agree more with the digital crack statement. we like it :D
 
Well , it has been over 18 months around since i last upgraded my card... so why not upgrade now. That is how i am thinking so i will just be ordering a 6800 GT tomorrow .... Now i will have to sell my old one and my good old ipod to afford it , but whatever....
 
I bought a 5900XT back in March when i built my new system because i didn't want to spend alot on the VGA because i wanted one of the new 6800's.

I just got my new XFX 6800GT last friday and i can already tell its more then twice as fast as my OC'd 5900XT at just default speeds. If i OC my GT to Ultra speeds its probably like 4x faster lol.

My frame rates in Morrowind are much better now. I have the view distance cranked to maximum while running at 1600x1200 w/ 4xAA + 8xAF and get I VERY smooth gameplay.

I'm a Morrowind addict that the 5900XT along with the 56.72 WHQL drivers i was using was just killing my Morrowind experience. The performance seemed worse then on my old Ti 4600 using the 4X.XX series drivers.

I'm very happy with my purchase and more then confident that i will be able to run 1600x1200 in any game i play this year.
 
Some of you people have no clue about what goes into development and manufacturing of a processor. You are willing to pay several hundred bucks for a p4 or athlon, but guess what, those have way better yields than a gfx card. Silicon isn't cheap and the gfx cards have more transistors than most cpus out there. Not to mention the cpus have a much longer lifespan so they can refine it much better to increase yield. Just look at all those new steppings that come out. Gfx cards don't have this. Now of course it takes a hell of a lot less time to make a gfx card in vhdl but you are also selling a lot less gpus than intel sells cpus. So it is also economy of scale.

If their weren't enthusiasts, yes cards would be cheaper but they would also be a hell of a lot shittier. If it was so cheap to make these cards there would be a whole lot more manufacturers. However, it isn't cheap and it isn't easy, so there isn't.

I guess I shouldn't be so harsh on you since I am an electrical engineer and I do work at a large chip manufacturer (they are "inside" a lot of things). So I do have some first hand knowledge on how expensive the process of making chips can be. Just a tub of wafers is worth more than you can imagine. You need to read an intro book to solid state electronics. There are several out there that describe all the processing that just goes into making a wafer. That is just the raw material. Than of course you need a multimillion dollar machine to etch the thing. There is a reason fabs cost billions of dollars. If you ever get a chance I would suggest going on a tour in one. Hopefully it will be a modern 300mm one as they are usually much more advanced than 200mm wafer plants.
 
My computer is really my only pricey hobby. Some people pend it on thier home or their car. I spend it on my computer. And besides. When I upgrade, it goes somewhere. A friend or family member or a secondary rig.

I also have no real need for an x800 with the exception of flight simulator 2004. The add on planes and scenary at full detail will kill any computer. And I justify the purchase by the fact I'm training for my private pilot. So it helps to have the pricey VFR scenary at full detail because that's what I'll be looking at when navigating in real life.
 
i got my 9800XT 6months ago or so...i am very tempted to get a new gen card...which will no doubt leave me totally CPU limited but what the heck....i dont plan on upgrading my mobo/CPU/RAM for a while yet...so i might just get a spanky new gfx card WHEN half-life2 and Doom3 and whatever else is out...or I might get one next week....just so I can play Far Cry again at a stupid res with some kickass IQ settings.
 
EnderW said:
because you aren't [H] unless you have the fastest card on the block
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Damn that was a tight quote!! :cool:

Also does anyone have some feed back on the 5900 by nvidia. I am looking to go with an nvida card for my next card, I currently have an 9600xt
 
As a Computer Engineer, i have to agree with CYBERcraps statement on cost of silicon (PS, i sure could use a wheelbarrel full if you can get it for me. Thanks in advance!)
But i don't agree with his tone.

Think of it this way.....The dollars we spend on the high-end cards are paying off for all gamers. How so? Do you really think that even budget cards would be as advanced as they are if the manufacturers weren't dumping barrels and barrels of R&D dollars into the formula? And what is the driving force behind this ....? The quest for profitability! And where is the most profit being made. Yup, you guessed it, the bleeding-edge cards we all love to love. Manufacturers/Vendors would have no real incentives to push limits as hard as they do ( and make the quick advances they do) if they couldn't sell high-dollar cards. Without the last few years of high-dollar cards, today we might well be trying to play our favorite games on a Diamond 4Mb vid card. And guess what...if technology companies weren't constantly improving their products, we'd still be drooling over Duke Nukem's graphics (not that i'm trashing the Duke...He will forever be my hero)

Personally, the price isn't the real issue right now. It's the availability. The manufacturerers sorely misjudged the demand for the new cards. When is the last time you can remember that there was as big a jump of performance in a single generation of video cards as we see now? They apparently misjudged the number of die-hards who would want one and want it NOW! regardless of their current card.

Of course, by playing the "extremely limited supply" game they are really giving us hard-ons for the cards. And we keep touting all the benefits and features of the new gen cards (saving them much advertising $) drawing in more people...who start jonesing for the card themselves and end up posting in forums like these, pulling in more people....you get the drift.. So ATI and NVIDIA actually benefit from short supplying us for a while.

(excuse me if i run on, i work nights , am tired and going to bed in a sec)
 
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