Who's Jumping On Sandy Bridge-E ?

[bAMtan2]

Yeah, this is what I'm thinking about doing myself since it looks like I am finally coming into a position of being able to build a new rig after five years. I'm coming from a $300 Wal-Mart EMachines system with an AMD 250u CPU and built in video that can barely choke out 7-8 year old games...and IT SUCKS.

And since I am coming from basically nothing, I might as well hop on the latest and greatest bandwagon.

dude is right that the locked and lowest end socket 2011 can theoretically hit 5ghz with the new tweaks.

but:
unless you want ecc memory and xeon,
or multiple top-of-the-line video cards for multiple monitors,
or 12 threads instead of 8,
there is no reason for x58/x79.

x79 will be hundreds of dollars more expensive than z68 which can already do 8 threads of sandy bridge at 4.5ghz.

 

[Beriphent]

I think everyone deserves to treat themselves to one high end setup and overclock the snot out of it at least once in their lives. X79 and SB-E are enticing as hell. I've enjoyed my X58 and i7 920 for almost 3 years and looking at building a new system. But this time, I am pretty set on getting back to having a mainstream platform that's less power hungry/expensive.

 

[ImperfectLink]

I'd prefer to wait for Ivybridge but I don't think it will offer as high a performance or be within the timeframe for my next build. So Sandy-E it will be.

 

[LstBrunnenG]

Here's a question - I look at power numbers that compare SB and the old 1366 i7s, and I see significant power savings from SB. Will SB-E have a similar improvement? I'd really love to bring my idle numbers down.

 

[bAMtan2]

Here's a question - I look at power numbers that compare SB and the old 1366 i7s, and I see significant power savings from SB. Will SB-E have a similar improvement? I'd really love to bring my idle numbers down.

different 1366 i7s have different power requirements. there are 80w tdp chips, 130w tdp chips, 45nm chips, 32nm chips, 4 core chips, 6 core chips... I'm sorry dave but it is impossible to answer your undefined question.

 

[LstBrunnenG]

different 1366 i7s have different power requirements. there are 80w tdp chips, 130w tdp chips, 45nm chips, 32nm chips, 4 core chips, 6 core chips... I'm sorry dave but it is impossible to answer your undefined question.

Good point, there's a big difference between a 990x and a 920.

Still, a reasonable assumption would have been that I was talking about a 930, since that's what I have in my sig.

 

[SLee]

Here's a question - I look at power numbers that compare SB and the old 1366 i7s, and I see significant power savings from SB. Will SB-E have a similar improvement? I'd really love to bring my idle numbers down.

Coolaler did a power consumption comparison of an overclocked 4GHz 3960X versus 990X, he found the idle power of the S2011 setup to be at 106.2W which is pretty impressive for a workstation/enthusiast setup:

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=274098

 

[munkle]

I voted bulldozer because I don't plan on doing any of the options.

 

[Tsumi]

Here's a question - I look at power numbers that compare SB and the old 1366 i7s, and I see significant power savings from SB. Will SB-E have a similar improvement? I'd really love to bring my idle numbers down.

1366 -> 2011 will either be same power consumption or reduced, depending on how you overclock. More likely reduced if you're comparing to the 45nm 1366 cores, more likely to be around the same if you're comparing to 32nm 1366 cores.

1155 -> 2011 will be increased power consumption because 2011 uses Sandy Bridge-E, which are basically more powerful Sandy Bridge processors with more cores (in the case of the 6-core version).

 

[Sgraffite]

I chose waiting for Ivy Bridge. I'm really interested to see it's performance per watt with all the changes they have made.

 

[bAMtan2]

Coolaler did a power consumption comparison of an overclocked 4GHz 3960X versus 990X, he found the idle power of the S2011 setup to be at 106.2W which is pretty impressive for a workstation/enthusiast setup:

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=274098

that is so crazy I'm skeptical. if sandy bridge e saves 100w idle over westmere ep, then depending on your power rates, that upgrade could save you $100 a year. that is enough to pay for the upgrade pretty quickly after selling your gulftown system. boggle

 

[olsonpm]

x79 will be hundreds of dollars more expensive than z68 which can already do 8 threads of sandy bridge at 4.5ghz.

No. That is not the case. I'm thinking i7-3820 @ $294.00 + what; $350.00 - $400.00 for a top end Motherboard?
That's equal to, or more, but not "hundred's" more than a Z68 top end motherboard + 2600K.
I'm thinking gamer's should be looking very hard at X79 + 3820. Lot's of possible future proofing there for not much more $$$. Add to that the fact that socket 2011 IVY will be a drop-in upgrade option a year from now and hell; what's not to like?

 

[dunksandblazers]

Is bulldozer really that bad ?

 

[Yakk]

Waiting for a bigger jump in CPU speed before upgrading. If it's 2013 then so be it.

I want to upgrade, just not worth it yet. Buying other components in the meantime... 3x displays.. G19...etc...

 

[stockwiz]

it's tempting, but no, not unless their 6-core part can be found for $450 and middle of the road motherboards, no higher then $250. I'm more likely to just upgrade the motherboard to a z68 that supports pci express 3 and getting ivy bridge down the road.. but I haven't made a concrete decision either way. There's no reason to get socket 2011(for me at least, there ARE reasons such as TRI-SLI) , and I find it hard to believe Intel won't eventually make a 6-core part for socket 1155.. it's easy money on their part that they'd be missing out on to not have a 6-core part for this platform. It would be smart business to release at least one.

Now what we need windows and/or motherboard makers to do is plan ahead with a better way to store more frequently used system data such as programs in RAM, since some of us now have 16 gigs in our systems, and 32 will be the next step up. Yeah I can use a ramdrive but it would be nice to have RAM battery backup for when the system is shut down or has to reboot.

 

[Celcius]

I'll probably just look at what's available by the end of the year and then make a decision based on what's out at the time.

 

[mikecLA]

I was planning on upgrading, since I've been waiting for LGA2011 and the ability to have 2 x16 PCI lanes, but now the delay may be in waiting for quad channel ram prices to drop.

 

[Zangmonkey]

Honestly the only thing I want for in the SB platform is more PCI-e lanes.

IB is going to give me this in a lower-power platform.
I can wait... but my clovertown's are showing their age....

 

[EpsilonZer0]

Alot of great arguments for staying with socket 1155.

First and foremost most people are concerned about cost and then second they are interested in what Ivy Bridge will later offer.

I think I can group everyone in 3 camps:

1. Those who already have a socket 1155 processor and dont see a high enough cost/benefit to warrant a new platform purchase.

2. Those who are interested in the next "Tick" that is Ivy Bridge with the rumor that it will be available sometime Q1 2012

3. Those who are simply satisfied with what they have now and/or dont have the finances to purchase a new platform.


If I were Intel, I would be lowering the prices of SB-E a little and offer a 4th chip that sits between the 6core 3930K and 4core 3820. I think that would satisfy the sweet spot that most enthusiests are looking for.

Also just to note, there IS a 2nd Extreme SB-E in waiting, the 3980X with 6 cores but an undisclosed amount of cache (possibly the full 20mb) and its still set for a Q4 release. Alot of people forget that Intel's business quarters don't correspond to calendar quarters, so expect this one in January possibly.

 

[bAMtan2]

That's equal to, or more, but not "hundred's" more than a Z68 top end motherboard + 2600K.

I disagree with your numbers. we'll see in a month.

 

[Noetic]

The 2600K was a bit of a fluke for Intel. Their best processor at a very reasonable price. With a IB ready board, 16GB and a 256GB M4 SSD, I am pretty damned happy.

 

[olsonpm]

QUOTE=bAMtan2;1037894540]I disagree with your numbers. we'll see in a month.[/QUOTE]


Well, if the i7-3820 end's up costing $294.00 as seem's to be expected that is about $20.00 less that what Newegg is getting right now for the 2600K - ($314.99)

Two Z68 board's I think most would consider high end are priced at the Egg as follow's:

1. ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z $349.99 (no PCIe 3.0)
2. Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 $349.99 (no PCIe 3.0)

So, I must assume that mean's you think high end X79 board's will be "hundred's" more than $350.00 ???
Damn, I hope not. If the X79 board's, the good stuff, end up costing $600.00 plus that would force me to re-think my plan's.

 

[fpliii]

I'm probably going to buy the 2700K next week, and wait for the new architecture. Last time I bought an extreme (QX9650, which I'm trying to sell now) was pretty fun, though.

 

[Forceman]

Damn, I hope not. If the X79 board's, the good stuff, end up costing $600.00 plus that would force me to re-think my plan's.

No way do SB-E boards end up costing $600. They might be in the $300 range, but that's about it. Most likely in the low $200s for "mainstream" boards

 

[rudy]

X58 was typically $100 or more over 1156 I do not expect SB-E will be much different. The way I saw it Intel just knew that because AMD was behind it was another way to milk an extra $100 out of people in order to go to the highest end performance.

 

[olsonpm]

X58 was typically $100 or more over 1156 I do not expect SB-E will be much different. The way I saw it Intel just knew that because AMD was behind it was another way to milk an extra $100 out of people in order to go to the highest end performance.

Yes. And this is a bit concerning as to possible price point's as well.

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-x79-chipset-is-20-15-more-expensive-than-x58/

 

[LstBrunnenG]

Coolaler did a power consumption comparison of an overclocked 4GHz 3960X versus 990X, he found the idle power of the S2011 setup to be at 106.2W which is pretty impressive for a workstation/enthusiast setup:

http://translate.google.com/transla...u=http://coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=274098

that is so crazy I'm skeptical. if sandy bridge e saves 100w idle over westmere ep, then depending on your power rates, that upgrade could save you $100 a year. that is enough to pay for the upgrade pretty quickly after selling your gulftown system. boggle

Those numbers are insane. Now I just need a way to make a 480/580 pretend it's not there on idle.

 

[bAMtan2]

I disagree with your numbers. we'll see in a month.

Well, if the i7-3820 end's up costing $294.00 as seem's to be expected that is about $20.00 less that what Newegg is getting right now for the 2600K - ($314.99)

Two Z68 board's I think most would consider high end are priced at the Egg as follow's:

1. ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z $349.99 (no PCIe 3.0)
2. Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD7-B3 $349.99 (no PCIe 3.0)

So, I must assume that mean's you think high end X79 board's will be "hundred's" more than $350.00 ???
Damn, I hope not. If the X79 board's, the good stuff, end up costing $600.00 plus that would force me to re-think my plan's.

you're proposing the 3820 will cost less than the 2600K. that doesn't make much sense to me. not only is the number bigger, the chip is bigger, and newer, and better.

you're also comparing the most expensive 2600k motherboard to what could be a middling x79 motherboard. the most expensive x58 motherboards were $450 not long ago, and those boards are years old. that doesnt make much sense either.

I regret to inform you that your frontal lobe has likely been under-active while processing the costs of this future platform. leaked intel prices tend to be for purchases of 10,000 units, and x79 has no competition except for x58. there is zero price pressure on them, and in the past that meant wild prices.

this is your reality check. I don't know what the prices will be. but I'm not biased by optimism or pessimism, and I expect $399 3820 chips and $399 x79 motherboards. reset your expectations to avoid disappointment. we'll see what happens next month.

 

[wra18th]

My rigs are good to go for some time. I have no immediate plans to upgrade at all.

 

[EpsilonZer0]

Some pics of the EVGA X79 Classified were snapped at Nvidias LAN event.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/21150/evga_s_x79_classified_e799_motherboard_spotted/index.html

 

[olsonpm]

you're proposing the 3820 will cost less than the 2600K. that doesn't make much sense to me.

I'm not proposing anything. I simply repeated a figure others have used. For example, see post #9 in this thread.

the most expensive x58 motherboards were $450 not long ago, and those boards are years old.

Good point.

I regret to inform you that your frontal lobe has likely been under-active while processing the costs of this future platform.

Yes, well, my frontal lobe functioned better when I was younger; say a half century ago. Too much cheap booze back in those day's I suppose. Kind of you to condescend to even reply to my post's. You can keep your regret's.

leaked intel prices tend to be for purchases of 10,000 units

I didn't know that.

I'm not biased by optimism

I think I am. In fact, I'm certain of it. It's been a long time since I've done a new build and I'm really looking forward to this one. Guilty as charged.

I expect $399 3820 chips

ouch

and $399 x79 motherboards.

I could live with that.

reset your expectations to avoid disappointment.

Yes sir. Right away sir.

we'll see what happens next month.

obviously

 

[LEVESQUE]

I am jumping in next month.

I want to use Quad graphic cards, and my P67 mobo is limited to 3.

And just for the fun of it.

 

[EpsilonZer0]

They're not going to price this platform out of reach of most consumers.

The 3820 will be about $300.

$300+ has always been the high end of motherboard spectrum aswell.

There will be X79 boards priced at the $200 point and below

 

[Monkey God]

I am waiting to see how it performs. My 4ghz i7-920 still kicks much ass in anything I do. I don't *need* to upgrade, but my next will upgrade will probably be SB-E. Ive been wanting to build an uber dual CPU setup for a while. I'm sure dual 2011 boards won't be available right away, so its more wait and see.

SB seemed like a step sideways to me. (although more ghz is good)
Waited on bulldozer, flopped.
Now waiting on 2011 and see what it looks like.

 

[olsonpm]

ASRock-X79-Extreme7-LGA-2011 has been listed for retail in Europe. ($363.00 U.S.)

http://news.softpedia.com/news/ASRock-X79-Extreme7-LGA-2011-Motherboard-Gets-Listed-229226.shtml

 

[buttons]

i voted for bulldozer pwns, just because i found it humorous. In all seriousness, I was happy with an overclocked sempron 130 for my uses (surfing the web, posting discontent about bulldozer, world of warcraft, bitcoin mining and so on). so I dont see any value in a processor that costs over $90

Im kinda interested in trying an I3-540 next though...

 

[AngryArtichoke]

Waiting on the next architecture change

 

[NaRu]

There is no point for me to get Sandy - E. I have the i7 920 and this chip does everything I need it to do. I'm not going to spend $500+ for a CPU and mobo to for maybe 20% increase in performance.

 

[grimster]

I'm still on a 1366 platform. I found no need to go to a Sandy Bridge from an i7-970. I will wait for Ivy Bridge and get into it late.

 

[WldWzl]

There is no point for me to get Sandy - E. I have the i7 920 and this chip does everything I need it to do. I'm not going to spend $500+ for a CPU and mobo to for maybe 20% increase in performance.

I am on the same thought train.