Whos buying COD:MW2?

What Platform?

  • PC

    Votes: 140 21.1%

  • Console

    Votes: 86 13.0%

  • PC + Console

    Votes: 22 3.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 412 62.1%

  • I dont like FPS games

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Total voters
    663
defiant007 said:
Those 13 million console users have no choice but to use matchmaking, what are they going to do, go play Halo 3 instead because they find MW2 matchmaking objectionable!? They deal with it because they have to.

PC users don't have to deal with the shitty experience offered by peer-to-peer because they can simply go play something else which offers dedicated servers.

P2P does not work acceptably for shooter games on PC, otherwise all the previous games released with that system would not have literally no one playing them within 2 weeks of release.

Learn to think laterally before posting about things you obviously know little about.
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If P2P online gaming didn't work on the consoles no one would play online. It's not a job and there aren't labor camps forcing people to play. So if you don't have to play online and P2P is so terrible, why are people still doing by the millions? Why don't console gamers demand that the game providers host dedicated servers? Because it works, indisputably to an acceptable level.

Whether or not dedicated servers are superior isn't what I'm discussing here; my opinion is that like it or not, Modern Warfare 2 is going to legitimize P2P matchmaking on the PC. The issue with games preceding this that failed is that they were not big enough releases of high enough quality, and fortunately for InfinityWard, this game is going to sell itself on brand name to those who aren't 'in the know' and on its merits to those who are.
 
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Jack Flash said:
If P2P online gaming didn't work on the consoles no one would play online. It's not a job and there aren't labor camps forcing people to play. So if you don't have to play online and P2P is so terrible, why are people still doing by the millions? Why don't console gamers demand that the game providers host dedicated servers? Because it works, indisputably to an acceptable level.

Whether or not dedicated servers are superior isn't what I'm discussing here; my opinion is that like it or not, Modern Warfare 2 is going to legitimize P2P matchmaking on the PC. The issue with games preceding this that failed is that they were not big enough releases of high enough quality, and fortunately for InfinityWard, this game is going to sell itself on brand name to those who aren't 'in the know' and on its merits to those who are.
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Bahaha, can I have whatever crack you are smoking please!

They play because 99% of them don't know any better and because they have NO OTHER OPTIONS!

Its not rocket science, if they want to play against other players they must use P2P online.

MW2 is not going to legitimize shit because its an inferior option that most PC gamers are not interested in. As for big enough releases of high enough quality, GTA4, FEAR2, OP:DR, GoW, Red Faction Guerilla were all AAA releases with thousands of people playing them online with consoles but still they all failed miserably on PC, just as MW2 will fail miserably on PC.

Console gamers may be used to eating the shit pie served up to them by developers and not knowing any better, but the demographic of PC users that they are shoveling this shit to has a far better understanding of their machines, software and the internet.

Yes that is your opinion, but you clearly have very little understanding of how the PC market works.
 
When it becomes cheap, maybe I'll buy it on the PC. Since there is no dedicated server support, I don't want to shell out 60 dollars.
 
defiant007 said:
Bahaha, can I have whatever crack you are smoking please!

They play because 99% of them don't know any better and because they have NO OTHER OPTIONS!

Its not rocket science, if they want to play against other players they must use P2P online.

MW2 is not going to legitimize shit because its an inferior option that most PC gamers are not interested in. As for big enough releases of high enough quality, GTA4, FEAR2, OP:DR, GoW, Red Faction Guerilla were all AAA releases with thousands of people playing them online with consoles but still they all failed miserably on PC, just as MW2 will fail miserably on PC.

Console gamers may be used to eating the shit pie served up to them by developers and not knowing any better, but the demographic of PC users that they are shoveling this shit to has a far better understanding of their machines, software and the internet.

Yes that is your opinion, but you clearly have very little understanding of how the PC market works.
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You can have the facts I'm checking, if you want.

Console players aren't the braindead, inferior race you'd like them to be perceived as. Do 99% of them play online solely because they don't know better or do they play online because the service works to a point where they enjoy playing online?

It's not rocket science.

More over, Modern Warfare 2 is indisputably an option PC gamers are interested, despite the 'boycott' at large. (The 149k 'signatures' on the online petition make Afghanistan's recent election look heavenly in terms of vote fraud) To verify what I'm saying you need only check the numbers.

Modern Warfare has moved overnight from #5 on Steam's Top Sellers to #3. It's been for sale for one day and it's already the third best selling PC game behind Left 4 Dead 2 and Borderlands, and I can't imagine Borderlands isn't going to drop off post-relase. Interestingly enough, Left 4 Dead 2 is another boycott title. It's not surprising that it's preselling as well as it is, though, because boycotts don't hold water.

On Amazon the game is deadlocked in its #1 PC game position. What's going to take it down? Borderlands, right? Well, that's down there at #5. A more interesting story is told when you look at the top #100 in all videogame sales, where Modern Warfare 2 for PC is at #18, down from #15 last hour. The next PC game on that list is, you guessed it, Borderlands at #55.

So this elite PC gaming crowd would never buy Modern Warfare 2, would they? Looks like they are.

And am I to believe that smash hits like Grand Theft Auto IV are a model for Modern Warfare 2's potential sales? The game that came to PC, broken, nine months after the console versions launched is comparable to a first-tier, biggest PC release of 2009? Hah, okay, can I get some of that crack you're smoking?

You can believe what you want. You can buy what you want and you can clearly post whatever you want, but since this thread is for people who will be buying Modern Warfare 2 I suggest that there's little here for you. If you want, check out the InfinityWard forums; I hear there's a malestrom in a teacup you can be part of over there.
 
I have MW2 coming from a Walmart special deal, and it can't be canceled right now. When I get it, I'll Google and see how the multiplayer experience is going, and if it's laggy and bad, then I'll return it. Else, if the multi is ok (notice, I'm ok w/ just OK), then I'll keep it.

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Jack Flash said:
Console players aren't the braindead, inferior race you'd like them to be perceived as.
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this statement needs to be highlighted. the elitist mentality of PC gamers is absurd. it makes me cringe every time someone says something like "knuckle-dragging console players" or "console players don't know any better". i'm a PC gamer and statements like that make the group as a whole look like pretentious douchebags.
 
Porter_ said:
this statement needs to be highlighted. the elitist mentality of PC gamers is absurd. it makes me cringe every time someone says something like "knuckle-dragging console players" or "console players don't know any better". i'm a PC gamer and statements like that make the group as a whole look like pretentious douchebags.
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yea it is

consoles are dumb down

most of the people here gaming on pc's have been doing so since the early 90s maybe sooner
 
lol. come on. most people who have a gaming pc also have a gaming console as well. This isn't the argument that this thread is for.

let's get this thread back on topic.

INFINITY WARD SUCKS!

there we go. game on.
 
Meh, I agree with the sentiment, but they don't suck. A company that sucks could not have produced CODMW. Now, I DO think that they are out of touch with their audience.
 
The original COD and it's expansion pack (united offensive) were by far the best COD games to date. I don't mind spending the $60 on a game, as long as i know that money will be used properly to bring us more great games. BUT, i dont see that happening in this case. I will use the phrase "dumbed down" but not in the sense of console users being dumb, but in the way that CODMW2 dumbs down our mulitplayer experience. Anyone who has tried "BF: heroes" knows that game too uses a "matchmaking" technique and personally I for one hate that whole idea, they claim it'll be better for the users.... yeah console users who it suits best imo. not us... not meaning pc gamers are elitests but we are used to more options in what & where we play our games. why should i support such a game that dumbs my experience down... so they get none of my cash.
 
Guys. Guys.

For you serious console gamers(I used to be one).......

It's like they are going to take the multiplayer you know and love and flush it down the toilete. They are fucking us in an attempt to make more money and screwing our game up in the proccess. I don't wish that for any gamer, console or PC.

We're all gamers. We love to game. Support your fellow PC gamer buy not buying MW2 on any platform or at least sign this petition in support of us PC guys.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw
 
Ya it sucks there won't be dedicated servers but thats not going to stop me from buying an awesome game.
 
I'll be getting it. I don't play online, so the server thing doesn't matter to me. I just like single player and Multi with friends. That's all :)
 
Im buying it on release day....this server deal is being blown out of proportion, and the fact is, it really wont make much difference to anyone ..


an interesting quote from IW

West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see. Clans can set up private matches to do their training or what have you; all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such. Infinity Ward sees the addition of solid matchmaking and community support like IW-run tournaments to the PC as a huge win, and not something that could be done under the old system.
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and one from fan...
the large 4chan led assault on the IW forums regarding this only proves that the majority of PC players opposing this are nothing more than childish whiners that are scared that their precious "clans" are going to fold because they can't run a locked server or that they're going to lose money due to not being able to rent out servers.
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Crosshairs said:
Im buying it on release day....this server deal is being blown out of proportion, and the fact is, it really wont make much difference to anyone ..


an interesting quote from IW



and one from fan...
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Those are very strange arguments to make. Thinking about the biggest PC multipayer games, CS, QuakeIII etc, they all had dedicated servers and supported mods and private servers or those with special rules.
Either they do not care Bout PC gaming anymore, ans have decided to ignoe the history, or they are more tban slightly retarded. That secon quote, above, is a good example. The point that these "childish" complaints, though poorly delivered, are no less valid.
 
They just don't care about PC gaming anymore. Lets be honest with ourselves, consoles are where the money is at, and that's all they care about. Money.
 
Not going to buy either. I was interested in getting MW2 for the PC before but ever since they announced no dedicated servers, no thanks. Console controls (for any fps) are so shitty that it isn't even worth buying
 
I'm getting the console version so I can get my damn prestige version. I would get it for the PC if they offered it.
 
I don't think there is going to be a demo until much after its release. I was looking into that as well.
 
ThisIsTheNewSound said:
They just don't care about PC gaming anymore. Lets be honest with ourselves, consoles are where the money is at, and that's all they care about. Money.
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True that, one of the reason we don't see very many good PC games anymore... There all ports of console games.
 
I was planning on getting it for the PC, but now have preordered it thru Amazon with the $20 gift card for my 360 :( My other friends have done the same. I really wish they had dedicated -- I have a great community I play with on the PC.
 
Single player game is going to be awesome. When it's under $30 after christmas rush, I'll think about it. Multi player is just going to be broken.. I mean .. what are they thinking.. not even going to try it.
 
Jack Flash said:
If P2P online gaming didn't work on the consoles no one would play online. It's not a job and there aren't labor camps forcing people to play. So if you don't have to play online and P2P is so terrible, why are people still doing by the millions? Why don't console gamers demand that the game providers host dedicated servers? Because it works, indisputably to an acceptable level.

Whether or not dedicated servers are superior isn't what I'm discussing here; my opinion is that like it or not, Modern Warfare 2 is going to legitimize P2P matchmaking on the PC. The issue with games preceding this that failed is that they were not big enough releases of high enough quality, and fortunately for InfinityWard, this game is going to sell itself on brand name to those who aren't 'in the know' and on its merits to those who are.
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If I wanted to play a laggy 8 player game I'd play P2P. If I want a GOOD 32 player game I'll NOT!

If I want a game to choose where I play, I'll play with P2P. If I want to choose the game I'll NOT.

If I want to play a professional team, well in MW2 you can't since none of them are going there.
 
who cares in 6 months in wont be 60 bucks first of all. steam will have it for free weekend playing im sure and it'll be 19.99 in 6 months then i'll buy it after they released the 12 gigs of updates that were never there due to the quick release it NOW fix later attitude...:rolleyes:
 
fightingfi said:
who cares in 6 months in wont be 60 bucks first of all. steam will have it for free weekend playing im sure and it'll be 19.99 in 6 months then i'll buy it after they released the 12 gigs of updates that were never there due to the quick release it NOW fix later attitude...:rolleyes:
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yup agree totally
 
Normally I would get this for the PC but I have a few friends who are getting it for the PS3 and they talked me into it. I went ahead and preordered the version with the night vision goggles ;)
 
Just pre-ordered it on Steam! Love the series, it will be fantastic. I could really care less about Multiplayer, COD4 was trashed with exploits and hacks which was not much fun.

FPS on consoles = FAIL
 
Taking a pass. Can't see paying $60 for a MP game I think will be stillborn without mod and dedicated server support.
 
BravO))) said:
Fuck no. If we buy the game it is just like telling IW and every other pc game developer that it is ok to fuck us over. I won't stand for it, and neither should you guys single player or not. This is our chance to make a change, don't fuck us over by buying the game.
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EXACTLY. VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS.

Of course this will probably not happen, as evidenced by all the people already drinking the Koolaid in this thread, but I will stand by my convictions.

H.L. Mencken said it best "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public".
 
Crosshairs said:
Im buying it on release day....this server deal is being blown out of proportion, and the fact is, it really wont make much difference to anyone ..


an interesting quote from IW



and one from fan...
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Yeah, no difference to anyone... except businesses who rent game servers, Mod teams and developers (from which some of the most popular FPS games have spawned), professional and amateur gaming leagues, clans, etc, etc.
 
Jack Flash said:
You can have the facts I'm checking, if you want.

Console players aren't the braindead, inferior race you'd like them to be perceived as. Do 99% of them play online solely because they don't know better or do they play online because the service works to a point where they enjoy playing online?

It's not rocket science.

More over, Modern Warfare 2 is indisputably an option PC gamers are interested, despite the 'boycott' at large. (The 149k 'signatures' on the online petition make Afghanistan's recent election look heavenly in terms of vote fraud) To verify what I'm saying you need only check the numbers.

Modern Warfare has moved overnight from #5 on Steam's Top Sellers to #3. It's been for sale for one day and it's already the third best selling PC game behind Left 4 Dead 2 and Borderlands, and I can't imagine Borderlands isn't going to drop off post-relase. Interestingly enough, Left 4 Dead 2 is another boycott title. It's not surprising that it's preselling as well as it is, though, because boycotts don't hold water.

On Amazon the game is deadlocked in its #1 PC game position. What's going to take it down? Borderlands, right? Well, that's down there at #5. A more interesting story is told when you look at the top #100 in all videogame sales, where Modern Warfare 2 for PC is at #18, down from #15 last hour. The next PC game on that list is, you guessed it, Borderlands at #55.

So this elite PC gaming crowd would never buy Modern Warfare 2, would they? Looks like they are.

And am I to believe that smash hits like Grand Theft Auto IV are a model for Modern Warfare 2's potential sales? The game that came to PC, broken, nine months after the console versions launched is comparable to a first-tier, biggest PC release of 2009? Hah, okay, can I get some of that crack you're smoking?
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This is what happens when you look at the game from the paradigm of a bean counter as opposed to the paradigm of just a gamer. What is right is not often popular, and what is popular is not often right.

You can believe what you want. You can buy what you want and you can clearly post whatever you want, but since this thread is for people who will be buying Modern Warfare 2 I suggest that there's little here for you. If you want, check out the InfinityWard forums; I hear there's a malestrom in a teacup you can be part of over there.
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Is it? That certainly wasn't the opinion of the OP. Maybe you should check again. Because I'm certain this was a poll and a place for recursive discussion, not delusional circle-jerking.
 
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Porter_ said:
this statement needs to be highlighted. the elitist mentality of PC gamers is absurd. it makes me cringe every time someone says something like "knuckle-dragging console players" or "console players don't know any better". i'm a PC gamer and statements like that make the group as a whole look like pretentious douchebags.
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Well, their supposed collective "pretentious douchebag" mentality doesn't make them summarily wrong.

I doubt very highly that console gamers would complain in mass if dedicated and mod servers were brought to XBL. Considering it has never been done before, then it isn't too far removed from the truth to assume they are ignorant of the benefits of such a model, now is it?
 
Gonna be sweet, preordered for 360. Lots of fun with all my friends. Never got into COD on PC anyways.
 
I will eventually get it for PC. The multiplayer stuff happening to it is lame yes but again I didn't get into cod4's multiplayer till early this year and I've had that game since launch. I'm more interested in the single and co-op aspects of the game. Plus, I have a roommate to co-op with.

The $60 price is a little off putting as well.
 
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