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Which physics engine can do a holodeck?

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Who here has a copy of the Star Trek Technical Manual? It looks pretty interesting.
 
I threw mine away about a month ago. I had that thing for I dont know how long, was getting all ratty. I am a nerd and proud of it. :cool:
 
I had one, and the Star Trek Encyclopedia. I don't know what happened to either of them. I still have my Enterprise D blueprints, though. :D

And you're right, HOCP4ME, it is interesting.
 
Rabid Badger said:
2) The same way they eat a regular one.

3a) Some claim they can taste the difference between replicated food and the real thing, but no defining evidence has been given.

3b) They can have as much fat content as you tell the computer you want.
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So which PPU can make me a Dang Quesa-Dilla?
 
GJSNeptune said:
Yep. Cheating begins with intention ;)
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Yes, but if the holodeck is not considered cheating, and you intend to use the holodeck, then you are intending to do something that isn't considered cheating, and therefore you aren't intending to cheat, henceforth you aren't cheating.

I think a holodeck would actually be really confusing in real life. When and how would it be okay to use it? Would it be okay to simply live inside the holodeck, living the life of your dreams? What if everyone did that? Wouldn't everything we've built up over the last hundred thousand years - government, technology, economy - become useless?

It would be just like a time machine. Plans exist for a time machine that, theoretically, should allow us to send messages into the past. Right now, we don't have nearly enough power to build it (it invovles using lasers powerful enough to bend the space and time themselves). Someday, however, we will have enough power to build it, but would we realy want to turn it on? Because, the minute we do (assuming it works), we would receive every technology ever to be discovered along with information about exactly when, where, and how (and if) the human race will come to an end. Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent). I'm not sure if I would want all of that knowledge. It would be the absolute end of discovery and innovation.

But, the machine will, of course, get turned on eventually. I hope it doesn't work. ;)
 
HOCP4ME said:
Yes, but if the holodeck is not considered cheating, and you intend to use the holodeck, then you are intending to do something that isn't considered cheating, and therefore you aren't intending to cheat, henceforth you aren't cheating.

I think a holodeck would actually be really confusing in real life. When and how would it be okay to use it? Would it be okay to simply live inside the holodeck, living the life of your dreams? What if everyone did that? Wouldn't everything we've built up over the last hundred thousand years - government, technology, economy - become useless?

It would be just like a time machine. Plans exist for a time machine that, theoretically, should allow us to send messages into the past. Right now, we don't have nearly enough power to build it (it invovles using lasers powerful enough to bend the space and time themselves). Someday, however, we will have enough power to build it, but would we realy want to turn it on? Because, the minute we do (assuming it works), we would receive every technology ever to be discovered along with information about exactly when, where, and how (and if) the human race will come to an end. Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent). I'm not sure if I would want all of that knowledge. It would be the absolute end of discovery and innovation.

But, the machine will, of course, get turned on eventually. I hope it doesn't work. ;)
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I require links to information on this device, stat.
 
HOCP4ME said:
Yes, but if the holodeck is not considered cheating, and you intend to use the holodeck, then you are intending to do something that isn't considered cheating, and therefore you aren't intending to cheat, henceforth you aren't cheating.

I think a holodeck would actually be really confusing in real life. When and how would it be okay to use it? Would it be okay to simply live inside the holodeck, living the life of your dreams? What if everyone did that? Wouldn't everything we've built up over the last hundred thousand years - government, technology, economy - become useless?

It would be just like a time machine. Plans exist for a time machine that, theoretically, should allow us to send messages into the past. Right now, we don't have nearly enough power to build it (it invovles using lasers powerful enough to bend the space and time themselves). Someday, however, we will have enough power to build it, but would we realy want to turn it on? Because, the minute we do (assuming it works), we would receive every technology ever to be discovered along with information about exactly when, where, and how (and if) the human race will come to an end. Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent). I'm not sure if I would want all of that knowledge. It would be the absolute end of discovery and innovation.

But, the machine will, of course, get turned on eventually. I hope it doesn't work. ;)
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actually, it hasn't been invented in the future. Unless they developed cloaking devices along with it, we'd have gotten some kind of message or seen someone by now.
 
HOCP4ME said:
Yes, but if the holodeck is not considered cheating, and you intend to use the holodeck, then you are intending to do something that isn't considered cheating, and therefore you aren't intending to cheat, henceforth you aren't cheating.

I think a holodeck would actually be really confusing in real life. When and how would it be okay to use it? Would it be okay to simply live inside the holodeck, living the life of your dreams? What if everyone did that? Wouldn't everything we've built up over the last hundred thousand years - government, technology, economy - become useless?

It would be just like a time machine. Plans exist for a time machine that, theoretically, should allow us to send messages into the past. Right now, we don't have nearly enough power to build it (it invovles using lasers powerful enough to bend the space and time themselves). Someday, however, we will have enough power to build it, but would we realy want to turn it on? Because, the minute we do (assuming it works), we would receive every technology ever to be discovered along with information about exactly when, where, and how (and if) the human race will come to an end. Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent). I'm not sure if I would want all of that knowledge. It would be the absolute end of discovery and innovation.

But, the machine will, of course, get turned on eventually. I hope it doesn't work. ;)
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Wow.

First, on the cheating. Whether or not something is considered cheating is not up to the cheater, but the person being cheated on. Regardless of how much you can convince yourself otherwise, it really doesn't matter, because in the end the final call isn't up to you.

Second, on the device that can send messages back through time. Uh, link? I'll assume from this point that you don't seriously believe workable plans for such a device exist(I can provide you with hundreds if not thousands of plans for "free energy" devices, not one of them will work). Were such a device to be invented and used in the future, we would already know of its existence. More than that, such a device would easily be capable of changing the history that produced it, indicating that the only way in which it could work is in such a way that it does not contact that same "past" in which it was invented.

"Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent)."

This is quite circular logic; If we get a message from the future telling us something is going to happen we won't be able to stop it, because were we able to do so then the message from the future would never have been sent. The only way a pre-determined future can make sense is if it can never be known. If someone sent me a message from the future indicating that I would die 40 years, 27 days, 2 hours and 13 seconds from now, I could prove them wrong in any number of ways. What's more, I'd have a little more than 40 years to do so.

Considering no messages from the future have been received, it's a reasonably safe bet to assume that no such process will ever be discovered. Not in the way science-fiction portrays it; a literal foray into the actual past.
 
Spewn said:
Wow.

First, on the cheating. Whether or not something is considered cheating is not up to the cheater, but the person being cheated on. Regardless of how much you can convince yourself otherwise, it really doesn't matter, because in the end the final call isn't up to you.

Second, on the device that can send messages back through time. Uh, link? I'll assume from this point that you don't seriously believe workable plans for such a device exist(I can provide you with hundreds if not thousands of plans for "free energy" devices, not one of them will work). Were such a device to be invented and used in the future, we would already know of its existence. More than that, such a device would easily be capable of changing the history that produced it, indicating that the only way in which it could work is in such a way that it does not contact that same "past" in which it was invented.

"Unfortunately, after learning our fate, we would be unable to stop it from happening, as it must happen (otherwise, the message sent through the time machine would never have been sent)."

This is quite circular logic; If we get a message from the future telling us something is going to happen we won't be able to stop it, because were we able to do so then the message from the future would never have been sent. The only way a pre-determined future can make sense is if it can never be known. If someone sent me a message from the future indicating that I would die 40 years, 27 days, 2 hours and 13 seconds from now, I could prove them wrong in any number of ways. What's more, I'd have a little more than 40 years to do so.

Considering no messages from the future have been received, it's a reasonably safe bet to assume that no such process will ever be discovered. Not in the way science-fiction portrays it; a literal foray into the actual past.
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actually, it hasn't been invented in the future. Unless they developed cloaking devices along with it, we'd have gotten some kind of message or seen someone by now.
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First, with regards to the cheating, I wasn't really serious. I guess I forgot the " :p ". I don't think anything regarding a holodeck can be considered serious at this point in time.

Second, about the time machine, I have one answer to both of your arguments: messages sent trhough the time machine can only be sent back to the point at which it was first turned on. Moreover, if it were ever turned off, we would instantly lose our link to the past and have to start over again, only being able to send messages back to the point when the machine was turned on again.

I agree that there will never be a device that can send messages back to a time before such a device is invented. If that was true, I agree that we would be receiving messages right now.

Third, about the link, I saw it on the Science Channel. I consider them to be a reliable source. And here is the requested link. If you're skeptical, notice the line at the bottom that says "even if he's successful, time travel will only be possible from the moment the machine is turned on." If you're still skeptical, notice that the web address ends in ".edu". That website is the University of Connecticut, which is where Professor Mallett (the guy with the time machine idea) works as a professor of physics. And if you're still skeptical, you can find more information here, here, here, here, and here. Also, the wikipeida article explains it nicely and also presents opposing arguments, included the one that I mentioned about humans not being able to generate enough energy to run the machine.

Now, regardless of your stand on whether this thing will actually work or not, I have shown that it is real, it is by a respected professor, and it is a reasonable idea. I guess next time I should automatically include a link before saying something that sounds as crazy as a time machine. :p

Fourth, about the logic, I really don't know. No one can know what a world with a time machine would be like. Perhaps the future isn't certain, meaning that we could change something after hearing about it. In fact, this is exactly what quantum mechanics, which is proving more and more to be the most correct theory of the universe that we currently have - even more so than Einstein's relativity -, is based upon - uncertainty.

Your argument does provide a good point. I was only considering trying to prevent future events, not making them happen earlier. In fact, your argument convinces me that, if a time machine really is possible, the future cannot be certain (and presumable neither can the past, but that's a discussion for another day...).

There are other theories that account for time travel, such as parallel universes and time loops, but I am not a supporter of any of those.
 
Everyone is forgetting one important thing in regards to time travel. If a person came here and told us he was from the future, or if somone told you they are recieving messages from the future....we would all have them committed. So we are recieving messages and have time travelers here, it's just that they are all in the mental hospitals...along with the second comming of jesus.
 
Wang191 said:
Everyone is forgetting one important thing in regards to time travel. If a person came here and told us he was from the future, or if somone told you they are recieving messages from the future....we would all have them committed. So we are recieving messages and have time travelers here, it's just that they are all in the mental hospitals...along with the second comming of jesus.
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That's true, until one of those messages from the future proved to be correct...
 
i'm from the future. this thread will be closed down on March 12th, 2007.

As for the fate of this Forum, you don't wanna know.

-futurelarkin
 
larkin said:
i'm from the future. this thread will be closed down on March 12th, 2007.

As for the fate of this Forum, you don't wanna know.

-futurelarkin
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Note to mods: if the person who causes a future prediction to come true is one of the people to hear the prediction, my argument does not apply. :p
 
Quite possibly the most interesting and most hilarious thread I've read in years.
 
I have to agree, this is the most hilarious thread, yet full of interesting insight regarding time travel :)
 
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