Which Panel Lottery to Play? HP LP2065 or DELL UltraSharp 2007FP?

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Okay, I need to make decision on which lottery to play, the HP LP2065 lottery or the DELL UltraSharp 2007FP lottery.

But first, I should ask if either of these choices is even a lottery anymore or am I pretty much guaranteed to get an MVA panel?

Has anybody had recent success in actually receiving an S-IPS in either of these? Am I better of going with ebay with somebody like the thecomputerspecialist who claims to have refurbished 2007FPs with S-IPS panels "ATTENTION: THIS IS THE "L" SERIAL NUMBER VERSION THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE LOOKING FOR (S-IPS PANEL) MADE BY LG". Of course, this means you get more-or-less a two-year warranty as opposed to three.

I want a good monitor (less than $500) for graphic/web design, word processing and occasional DVD viewing.

I know this has been discussed to death but I was hoping there was some up-to-date info out there because I'm ready to build and I need a monitor. $439.00 US - Dell and $399.00 US - HP seems like a lot to spend on a monitor with a panel that's going to end up a disappointment. Quite frankly, I'm surprised at how bad these TN widescreen monitors are (blurry text, viewing angles, etc. I went to my local Best Buy and everything looked like crap. And by the way, they had about 25 monitors on display - all widescreen and all TN - not a single active matrix display in the entire store! I understand the appeal for gamers but this flooding of the market with cheap TN widescreens seems to be out-of-control. I'm at a loss. I wish i had $1000 to spend on a monitor but I just don't.

Thanks for reading this. Any information/suggestions are much appreciated.

Cheers! :)

HP LP2065

DELL UltraSharp 2007FP
 
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Thanks Jaguar.

I wasn't even aware of this monitor. Those are some very positive reviews. However, I have also read about various issues with this monitor on this forum as well as early reviews on newegg.

The Prad review includes the following:

Appendix 14/11/2008:

"The monitor tested in this case was purchased from a retail source. It is possible that differences may arise within a series during production. For this reason, we would like to point out that following problems were reported in our forum: Interference stripes when the DVI connection was used, loud operational noise caused by the backlight inverter and problems for startup from sleep mode."

I have no idea whether or not HP has addressed any of these issue.

Thanks again.
 
Dell has a 22" 16:10 ips coming out soon.
2209wa.
It'll probably be priced in the low $300 range

The UltraSharp 2007FP seems expensive when you can get a refurbished 3007WFP for $200 more.
 
The upcoming DELL is intriguing, however it does not feature 1:1 pixel mapping.

Can anybody tell me whether or not the HP LP2275w features 1:1 pixel mapping? And, as long as we're on the subject, do the HP LP2065 and DELL UltraSharp 2007FP feature 1:1 pixel mapping?

Thanks again for the info.
 
first_time_builder said:
The upcoming DELL is intriguing, however it does not feature 1:1 pixel mapping.
Thanks again for the info.
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It is my understanding that the Pixel mapping issue is only relevant if you're going to be using your moniter with something besides a computer. 1280*720 is the only HD resolution it would suppoprt at 1:1 anyway, and that would make the video area quite small
 
@Yelnats - Thanks for the reply.

Found another review for the upcoming Dell 2209WA from ZDNet Australia. They seem to thing the lack of 1:1 pixel mapping is a drawback.

I'm confused :confused: (as usual). Can somebody clarify the 1:1 pixel mapping issue?

Also, the article states the following: "It's an eIPS based, 22-inch screen". Has anyone else heard of or knows what eIPS is? In terms of IPS-based, the only types I've read about are listed here.


Thanks again for the info.
 
I am definitely thinking about getting this monitor. I have been waiting for an IPS or VA 22" for awhile. Does anyone know if the Xbox 360 will scale by itself?
 
The 360 supports 1680 x 1050 over VGA (HDMI too I think) so you should be fine.
 
1:1 pixel mapping is not important these days for only computer use. Most modern video cards with recent drivers will simply put out the full 1680x1050 image with black bars on all four sides to achieve 1:1 pixel mapping. In my opinion this is only important if you want to use a resolution close to the full rez of the monitor with PC, but at a different aspect ratio like 16:9 (such as 1600x900 per se) and not have any stretching of the image vertically to full screen or native aspect ratio of 16:10, so you get the full sharpness of the screen in text/graphics, no stretching, but have slight black bars top, bottom, left and right.

For computer use, as Yelnats has said (and I'm repeating) this is a non-issue unless you are using a very old video card that cannot use newer drivers and provide a "centered image", OR a console such as PS3, which does not support 1680x1050. The Xbox 360 supports it over VGA and DVI/HDMI, so to use that it's a non-issue.

Most ATI and nVidia cards have three options: Centred image, Aspect ratio scaling, or full screen scaling. Centred image is 1:1 pixel mapped, aspect ratio will scale an image with a different ratio (like a 4:3 640x480 image) to the full height or width of the display, but not distort the image vertically or horizontally, and full screen will simply "fill the screen" and stretch the image. Video card scaling with "aspect ratio" scaling is recommended for games. For desktop just use the full 1680x1050 resolution. GPU/graphics card scaling allows you to play games at a lower than full screen resolution, and the card will expand the imag (quite nicely too) in good quality without losing performance or adding lag.

Alternatively with only one digital (DVI) port, you would like use a PC over DVI and a 360 over VGA, or employ an HDMI switch to allow two simultaneous HDMI connections to the ONE DVI.

Further info on pixel mapping is here:

http://pixelmapping.wikispaces.com/Pixel+mapping+explained


I don't know what e-IPS is. Maybe it's not an LG panel, or maybe it means "economical IPS"???? I can only theorize :)

I would recommend the 2209WA based on the (unfortunately) one review. TFTCentral.co.uk will likely do a review of it, so you may want to wait for that.

first_time_builder said:
@Yelnats - Thanks for the reply.

Found another review for the upcoming Dell 2209WA from ZDNet Australia. They seem to thing the lack of 1:1 pixel mapping is a drawback.

I'm confused :confused: (as usual). Can somebody clarify the 1:1 pixel mapping issue?

Also, the article states the following: "It's an eIPS based, 22-inch screen". Has anyone else heard of or knows what eIPS is? In terms of IPS-based, the only types I've read about are listed here.


Thanks again for the info.
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Some info about the 2209WA from TFTCentral.co.uk posted today.

Still seems to be some mystery surrounding this new offering.

It just seems hard to believe that what appears at this point to be a pretty nice product will be in the $300 US price range.

:confused:
 
20 months ago, I paid $339 for a 2007WFP.

~$300 sounds reasonable for a new 22" IPS

It's just that 1680x1050 IPS hasn't been available for a year or so.
 
Okay, that makes sense. But, I have a couple more questions:

1) Why in the world did DELL stop selling the 2007WFP?

2) If the 2209WA will in fact cost around $300 US, then can somebody explain to me why the DELL UltraSharp 2007FP costs $439 US?!? --especially since it seems you have to get lucky to receive an actual S-IPS panel in the 2007FP.

Sorry for all the questions, but the more I research this, the more I am perplexed!
 
Maybe LG and Samsung stopped making the panels. There was a panel lottery on the 2007WFP as well.

4:3 screens always seem to be more expensive to manufacture than 16:10. Someone mentioned in another thread, that the way the panels are "cut" allows physically shorter panels to be cheaper to make.

BTW, just because there is a panel lottery on the 2007FP, don't expect to get a break in $$ from Dell. They wouldn't be that nice :)



first_time_builder said:
Okay, that makes sense. But, I have a couple more questions:

1) Why in the world did DELL stop selling the 2007WFP?

2) If the 2209WA will in fact cost around $300 US, then can somebody explain to me why the DELL UltraSharp 2007FP costs $439 US?!? --especially since it seems you have to get lucky to receive an actual S-IPS panel in the 2007FP.

Sorry for all the questions, but the more I research this, the more I am perplexed!
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