What exactly is the deal with GPUs

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More interesting news... It seems Nvidia really is serious about redirecting miners to mining products and away from gaming ones. As a gamer only user, I'm all for this, though I know some of you gamer/miners won't like it.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...er-thing-technology-could-expand-to-more-skus

New GPU SKU IDs might be set for already released cards (that haven't yet been shipped to retailers) to nerf the hash rate like the 3060. Current IDs might be phased out.
 

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More interesting news... It seems Nvidia really is serious about redirecting miners to mining products and away from gaming ones. As a gamer only user, I'm all for this, though I know some of you gamer/miners won't like it.

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-...er-thing-technology-could-expand-to-more-skus

New GPU SKU IDs might be set for already released cards (that haven't yet been shipped to retailers) to nerf the hash rate like the 3060. Current IDs might be phased out.
Current card demand and scalping price might increase as miners scramble to get the last stock of full hash capable GPU's, but that should be a pretty short term issue I think. Pre-neutered GPU's are always going to fetch a premium now. Will be interesting to see how the market changes when the new SKU's start showing up. Where's my popcorn?
 

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Current card demand and scalping price might increase as miners scramble to get the last stock of full hash capable GPU's, but that should be a pretty short term issue I think. Pre-neutered GPU's are always going to fetch a premium now. Will be interesting to see how the market changes when the new SKU's start showing up. Where's my popcorn?
I think it will be simple. Current SKUs will continue to exist as is until the 3080 is replaced by the 3070 Ti and the 3090 gets a cheaper version of itself for gamers in the 3080 Ti. So you'll have 3060, 3070 Ti, 3080 Ti with gimped mining capabilities.
 

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Every time I read this thread title ... Seinfeld comes to mind.

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Let see, the limited number of chips that can be made for GPUs will now have specific skews for mining and totally worthless for gamers. That is suppose too increase the supply to gamers?

Gamers that also use their cards and their older cards to make some money on the side and make up some of the much higher costs of new GPUs will be prevented. People actually think that is a good thing?

When you buy a card that has limited options you also bought a card with a lower resale value in the end. Limits your options on what you can do with your purchases as well.

Also, lol, there is nothing stopping the active crypto teams changing their algorithms to work with any GPU, CPU etc. This is not for the gamer, nor miner but for Nvidia limiting the usable lifespan of a video card and hoping you will buy more often and counting on you willing to pay more tomorrow.
 
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Gamers that also use their cards and their older cards to make some money on the side and make up some of the much higher costs of new GPUs will be prevented. People actually think that is a good thing?
I totally get that, and I also don't like Nvidia dictating what you can or cannot do with your GPU. But when the market has shifted so dramatically, essentially repurposing GPUs away from a whole market of gamers, I'm fine with this as a momentary tactic - the worry is they'll keep doing this in the future, and yeah, for those of you who game and mine, it sucks. That said, the gamer/miner combo is a small minority of all gamers. The majority of gamers just game, don't mine. As for making money through the GPU, well, they didn't disable it, you still CAN make money, just at half the speed. I'd be more bothered if this were disabled completely, but just making it unattractive to miners seems like a good enough middle of the road approach.

But yeah, I get it, relinquishing control to Nvidia isn't something that makes me happy in any way.
 
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Let see, the limited number of chips that can be made for GPUs will now have specific skews for mining and totally worthless for gamers. That is suppose too increase the supply to gamers?

Gamers that also use their cards and their older cards to make some money on the side and make up some of the much higher costs of new GPUs will be prevented. People actually think that is a good thing?

When you buy a card that has limited options you also bought a card with a lower resale value in the end. Limits your options on what you can do with your purchases as well.

Also, lol, there is nothing stopping the active crypto teams changing their algorithms to work with any GPU, CPU etc. This is not for the gamer, nor miner but for Nvidia limiting the usable lifespan of a video card and hoping you will buy more often and counting on you willing to pay more tomorrow.
I think this only works if the mining cards are getting reject dies. If they are diverting otherwise perfectly fine dies for GeForce to this effort, then yeah, it's dumb.

I'm not sure where I fall on the rest, but I do totally get what you are saying.
 
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I totally get that, and I also don't like Nvidia dictating what you can or cannot do with your GPU. But when the market has shifted so dramatically, essentially repurposing GPUs away from a whole market of gamers, I'm fine with this as a momentary tactic - the worry is they'll keep doing this in the future, and yeah, for those of you who game and mine, it sucks. That said, the gamer/miner combo is a small minority of all gamers. The majority of gamers just game, don't mine. As for making money through the GPU, well, they didn't disable it, you still CAN make money, just at half the speed. I'd be more bothered if this were disabled completely, but just making it unattractive to miners seems like a good enough middle of the road approach.

But yeah, I get it, relinquishing control to Nvidia isn't something that makes me happy in any way.
The aspect not covered is that many crypto coin projects goal is to have many involved and not the isolated big farms with huge hashing power which can wreck havoc on a coin. For example Monero prevents ASICS and severely limits GPU mining basically being CPU only coin. Dero another mostly CPU mined coin.

One of the major problems for Crypto currency is the big mining operations making 51% attacks more likely, makes the coin less decentralized and much more centralized. Nvidia dedicated GPUs for Crypto mining is not good for Crypto. It promotes less participation limited to the few, bigger farms. Big difference is in stability and reliability of a coin when you have millions mining compared to only hundreds of big farms.
 
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One of the major problems for Crypto currency is the big mining operations making 51% attacks more likely, makes the coin less decentralized and much more centralized. Nvidia dedicated GPUs for Crypto mining is not good for Crypto. It promotes less participation limited to the few, bigger farms. Big difference is in stability and reliability of a coin when you have millions mining compared to only hundreds of big farms.
That right there is the money shot. Regardless of how many individuals mine with their GPUs, the reality is that mining farms are the real muscle here. That's why all crypto currencies are still speculative at best, these are in no way safe investments - for now. As long as the %51 attack is possible, I wouldn't touch crypto with a 10ft pole. Decentralization is the ideal, but certainly doesn't reflect the reality of the crypto market. Even so, what Nvidia is doing in no way harms the quest for decentralization, those who want to keep mining will have to buy mining cards. Just means they'll have to invest more money than they would for gaming, and I'm perfectly fine with that side of the equation - again, because I, like most gamers, don't mine, so it's not my problem. Miners became "my" problem by stealing the gaming market from gamers, so I'm not going to cry because they now have to invest in hardware they can't abuse and resell, creating a hierarchy where miner > gamer. By nerfing gaming GPUs for games, Nvidia creates a more equitable miner = gamer. Each buys their product, and doesn't touch the others'. I know this is a chimera, because mining is not disabled on new gaming GPUs like the 3060, but it's a step towards a division of market/product that doesn't bother me - giving Nvidia more control, however, does... Overall, I think it makes sense for gamers, it is appropriate for miners - however they may dislike it -, it sucks for gamer/miners, and it mostly just benefits Nvidia. But hey, I'm on a 4 year old GPU, and I want a new card, dammit :)
 
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That right there is the money shot. Regardless of how many individuals mine with their GPUs, the reality is that mining farms are the real muscle here. That's why all crypto currencies are still speculative at best, these are in no way safe investments - for now. As long as the %51 attack is possible, I wouldn't touch crypto with a 10ft pole. Decentralization is the ideal, but certainly doesn't reflect the reality of the crypto market. Even so, what Nvidia is doing in no way harms the quest for decentralization, those who want to keep mining will have to buy mining cards. Just means they'll have to invest more money than they would for gaming, and I'm perfectly fine with that side of the equation - again, because I, like most gamers, don't mine, so it's not my problem. Miners became "my" problem by stealing the gaming market from gamers, so I'm not going to cry because they now have to invest in hardware they can't abuse and resell, creating a hierarchy where miner > gamer. By nerfing gaming GPUs for games, Nvidia creates a more equitable miner = gamer. Each buys their product, and doesn't touch the others'. I know this is a chimera, because mining is not disabled on new gaming GPUs like the 3060, but it's a step towards a division of market/product that doesn't bother me - giving Nvidia more control, however, does... Overall, I think it makes sense for gamers, it is appropriate for miners - however they may dislike it -, it sucks for gamer/miners, and it mostly just benefits Nvidia. But hey, I'm on a 4 year old GPU, and I want a new card, dammit :)
Really not sure if Nvidia is helping either the gamer or miner, more likely just themselves. I do agree protecting the gaming eco-system would be very prudent for both AMD and Nvidia, would be great if Intel upcoming offerings are reasonable and plentiful. I mean, looking at the gaming side, developers, artists, programmers, promotions -> It's a huge industry that if hardware is not readily available at a decent price, it will shrink and potentially collapse. Mining industry or eco-system is bleak, almost nothing compared to gaming.

Some coins are 51% attack proof by various means but only a few. Someone like Google, Nvidia and others with their clusters of GPU's could indeed mount an attack that could shut many coins down in an instant. You don't hear to much about the real negatives that Crypto can bring, why as money it may not be such a good thing in current state and so on. Maybe another discussion.
 

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Maybe it is more profitable to sell a defective chip as a mining card than as a 3050 or so.
 
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Not a bad judgment from Linus, as usual. Can't say I disagree, but I'm still hoping the hash-rate halving will have some positive effect on GPU availability. Either way, I plan on getting either the 3060 or the 3060 Ti, whichever I can actually click "checkout" on first.

 

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I am glad I don't need a new video card soon.

God forbid if my graphic card dies or needs to be RMA :(
 

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In the UK the FE is the easiest card to get. About 60-70% of 3000 series owners here own a FE, which is really high compared to previous generations where it would be low single digits, I think the AIB's are selling to miners.

FE is like the consoles, only sold at RRP at approved retailer, no cards going missing in transit.

AIB is like the wild west, retailers scalping the price so no price control, retailers reporting promised shipments not arriving from AIB's, lots of pics from miners showing racks full of AIB cards. Not to mention all of the price rises since launch whilst FE cards have stayed at launch RRP.
 

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In the UK the FE is the easiest card to get. About 60-70% of 3000 series owners here own a FE, which is really high compared to previous generations where it would be low single digits, I think the AIB's are selling to miners.

FE is like the consoles, only sold at RRP at approved retailer, no cards going missing in transit.

AIB is like the wild west, retailers scalping the price so no price control, retailers reporting promised shipments not arriving from AIB's, lots of pics from miners showing racks full of AIB cards. Not to mention all of the price rises since launch whilst FE cards have stayed at launch RRP.
Seems to be true, I haven't seen any pictures of mining rigs full of FE cards. Maybe only one in a mixed brand system.
 

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The BTC push from 30K to 60K feels to me kind of like the previous push in 2017 / 2018 from 10K to 20K. After which interest and activity around cryptocurrency fell off pretty quickly. So maybe the local bubble bursts this time at 60K-ish. I don't remember at what point the GPU market normalized in 2018. But to the extent that issues in the GPU market are related to crypto, things could be a lot different (hopefully in a good way) in a few months. Still doesn't solve the supply side of the equation, though. And the longer term issue might be the fact that silicon product is mostly in Asia, where geo-politics, vis-a-vis the US and China, aren't exactly peachy keen (Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc).

My bold prediction - we'll see used mining cards flooding the used GPU market some time this (northern hemisphere) summer, and the gaming vultures will feast :)
 

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The BTC push from 30K to 60K feels to me kind of like the previous push in 2017 / 2018 from 10K to 20K. After which interest and activity around cryptocurrency fell off pretty quickly. So maybe the local bubble bursts this time at 60K-ish. I don't remember at what point the GPU market normalized in 2018. But to the extent that issues in the GPU market are related to crypto, things could be a lot different (hopefully in a good way) in a few months. Still doesn't solve the supply side of the equation, though. And the longer term issue might be the fact that silicon product is mostly in Asia, where geo-politics, vis-a-vis the US and China, aren't exactly peachy keen (Taiwan, Hong Kong, etc).

My bold prediction - we'll see used mining cards flooding the used GPU market some time this (northern hemisphere) summer, and the gaming vultures will feast :)
If I recall, Bitcoin and crypto peaked sometime in January 2018 and then crashed.
 

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Now is literally the perfect time for Intel to enter the market. However given Intel's recent track record, it wouldn't be surprising that they get their GPUs ready after crypto crashes.
 

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Did you read Morgan Stanley may invest 150 billion in Bitcoin? I hate to say this but we'll all have to wait and see.
 

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In the UK the FE is the easiest card to get. About 60-70% of 3000 series owners here own a FE, which is really high compared to previous generations where it would be low single digits, I think the AIB's are selling to miners.

FE is like the consoles, only sold at RRP at approved retailer, no cards going missing in transit.

AIB is like the wild west, retailers scalping the price so no price control, retailers reporting promised shipments not arriving from AIB's, lots of pics from miners showing racks full of AIB cards. Not to mention all of the price rises since launch whilst FE cards have stayed at launch RRP.
OK, so if I live in the USA, can I order an FE card from a UK website? Any recommendations for websites?
 

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OK, so if I live in the USA, can I order an FE card from a UK website? Any recommendations for websites?
Nvidia region restricted the sales due to American's flooding the EU FE retailers, so no. But I assume is a designated US FE retailer?

They also to be fair added limits per ip, address, card etc. as well, they seem to be the only card supplier putting some kind of effort in, thats why I called the AIB's like the wild west.
 

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Did you read Morgan Stanley may invest 150 billion in Bitcoin? I hate to say this but we'll all have to wait and see.
You mean this? https://www.coindesk.com/morgan-stanley-unit-considers-bitcoin-investment-bloomberg
There's a unit of Morgan Stanley called Counterpoint Global that manages $150 billion and is thinking about getting into Bitcoin. The headline for the original Bloomberg article (paywall but they give you an occasional freebie) -- https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-bet-on-bitcoin-in-150-billion-investment-arm) makes it look like a $150B investment at first glance. In other words, yet another clickbait misleading headline making a story look like a bigger deal than it is. No way they would put all the $ they manage into Bitcoin.
 

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Not a bad judgment from Linus, as usual. Can't say I disagree, but I'm still hoping the hash-rate halving will have some positive effect on GPU availability. Either way, I plan on getting either the 3060 or the 3060 Ti, whichever I can actually click "checkout" on first.

Yep, add in that we maybe able to get mining cards which will not do graphics while the gaming cards will still be rare. GPUs that could have went to gaming cards. I hope Intel hurries up as well as AMD actually start making more RNDA2 PC dies.

There are pure miners that don't game and gamers that don't mine, there are also some gamers that also mine on the side and do other GPU related tasks. Will Nvidia drivers hamper the non gaming type stuff as in rendering, Folding, educational scientific stuff? Why are mining cards. it seems, will not have a warranty or a limited one? So if it dies in 30 days or so tough luck? Meaning pure garbage could be allowed to be sold with very little repercussions to the manufacturer. The falsehood that mining cards are pushed is just that, a falsehood. They are reduced to the lowest power settings possible for optimum hashrate, temperatures as low as possible due to efficiency as well as longevity. Memory though can be pushed for a number of algorithms, yet there is nothing out there indicating mining cards are even failing at any significant number due to memory failure.

Using dies for mining cards does not make magical extra dies for gaming GPUs, so once again Nvidia is basically lying, trying to manipulate as usual the market and it could end up once again rather bad for them, especially if there are thousands, 10 thousands of unwanted mining cards being pushed at every store endless internet ads and yet very few Nvidia gaming cards.
 

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There's a mad dash to GPU mine before the ETH DAG ends sometime in 2022. The date was pushed back twice so far, but I only hope it ends sooner than later---and even then I'm not convinced this card shortage will wane.

There are a lot of people heavily invested in the pump and dump alt-coin industry. It's comparable to investing into new nations; the potential for growth is incomprehensible. Think of how lucrative a market is as an early investor after a coup d'état. Even after ETH steers clear of mining, there might still be enough interest from late investors (dumbasses) to carry the GPU mining industry forward, hooking even later investors (imbeciles) in their altcoin schemes. Vitalik (creator of ETH) among others actually spoke of this back in 2016. He knew it was going to be a problem even after ETH becomes stake-only. I'm genuinely amazed it is still as (more) successful as it was back in 2017. I just grossly underestimated the number of late-entry idiots who believe they are going to strike it rich (and I better understand where all the money comes from in the stock markets).

Anyway, to add to Linus' comments (very refreshing to see, btw): kneecapping drivers and firmware certainly will not help on the large scale. Since late 2018 there have been several shady retailers reselling mining-focused, Linux-based operating systems (in violation of GNU GPL, btw) along with modified gpu firmware, drivers for both AMD and Nvidia cards, and mining software to manage it. Most of the firmware includes only memory timings adjustments, but others are much more involved with completely custom drivers. I couldn't pretend to understand the kind of work involved, but I do have a sense for the amount of money involved in developing these custom drivers as the running client skims its share, which is entirely public ledger. The developers are making millions (in violation of GPL), and the RE-distributed versions are also sending cuts to other shady vendors as well. I have no idea how far that rabbit hole goes, but considering this was happening back in 2018 (last I investigated) I'm sure it's much more sophisticated today.

My point: I agree with Linus. Nvidia's actions with software-locks are futile. There is too much ignorance to exploit to slow down this very strange, but clever industry.
 
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My point: I agree with Linus. Nvidia's actions with software-locks are futile.
Seem grayish to me, there is people saying otherwise that bios - driver signed only encoded at the chips level have some merit (even more than you I cannot say if that is the case), but it is certainly more than software lock that is attempted from what I understand.

(and I better understand where all the money comes from in the stock markets).
I am not sure if a relevant amount of money come from an equivalent to the stock market:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension_fund
https://www.businessinsider.com/who-actually-owns-the-stock-market-2016-5

The biggest source of money in the stock market are retirement account, regular people money invested for their retirement (usually by professional via their jobs, government and so on), with extremely long horizon of multiple decades trying to do 7% a year composite and almost the opposite of the person with a quick cash scheme in mind.
 

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The biggest source of money in the stock market are retirement account, regular people money invested for their retirement (usually by professional via their jobs, government and so on), with extremely long horizon of multiple decades trying to do 7% a year composite and almost the opposite of the person with a quick cash scheme in mind.
I hear ya. I was just comparing to the particular segment of high volitility stocks which I see so many people lose their shirts in. Trailing edge VC, pump and dump activity, etc. It's much smaller scale in the crypto world, but it's the same general premises. I never knew how it could be so lucrative in the stock market until I saw it happen on a smaller scale in crypto.
 

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There's a mad dash to GPU mine before the ETH DAG ends sometime in 2022. The date was pushed back twice so far, but I only hope it ends sooner than later---and even then I'm not convinced this card shortage will wane.

There are a lot of people heavily invested in the pump and dump alt-coin industry. It's comparable to investing into new nations; the potential for growth is incomprehensible. Think of how lucrative a market is as an early investor after a coup d'état. Even after ETH steers clear of mining, there might still be enough interest from late investors (dumbasses) to carry the GPU mining industry forward, hooking even later investors (imbeciles) in their altcoin schemes. Vitalik (creator of ETH) among others actually spoke of this back in 2016. He knew it was going to be a problem even after ETH becomes stake-only. I'm genuinely amazed it is still as (more) successful as it was back in 2017. I just grossly underestimated the number of late-entry idiots who believe they are going to strike it rich (and I better understand where all the money comes from in the stock markets).

Anyway, to add to Linus' comments (very refreshing to see, btw): kneecapping drivers and firmware certainly will not help on the large scale. Since late 2018 there have been several shady retailers reselling mining-focused, Linux-based operating systems (in violation of GNU GPL, btw) along with modified gpu firmware, drivers for both AMD and Nvidia cards, and mining software to manage it. Most of the firmware includes only memory timings adjustments, but others are much more involved with completely custom drivers. I couldn't pretend to understand the kind of work involved, but I do have a sense for the amount of money involved in developing these custom drivers as the running client skims its share, which is entirely public ledger. The developers are making millions (in violation of GPL), and the RE-distributed versions are also sending cuts to other shady vendors as well. I have no idea how far that rabbit hole goes, but considering this was happening back in 2018 (last I investigated) I'm sure it's much more sophisticated today.

My point: I agree with Linus. Nvidia's actions with software-locks are futile. There is too much ignorance to exploit to slow down this very strange, but clever industry.
I would say most moved to ETH due to it being most profitable, if another coin hit the stellar reward bin, people would flock to that coin as well. Hence GPUs are doing a lot of crunching for Crypto mining.

Yep, the big hip, booze parties, smoked filled rooms, taking for granted that it must always go up and so on . . . I wonder how many will jump out of buildings once it actually does crash, those with like a religious fever mindset that is??? Not saying all will crash but having over 2000 alt-coins making the claims as best so to speak, well most I expect will crash indeed.

Reading Ethereum 2, to me sounds like a house of cards, how can one say it is decentralized when a select few dictate its direction? Staking also freezes your assets unless you belong to a pool where you can have some liquidity. You have to run a node that is always up if you are a Staker/validator, you get penalized if not always up. I wonder those in Texas who staked had a backup generator and enough fuel to keep their node online, wait, hmmm that is if they still have internet access. The biggest problem I see with Crypto currency is that it is not self contained, it relies on a network, power grid, networks, hardware, people doing the right thing. When the power goes out, your out. Take a $20 bill, it does not care if the power is out, you can still use it to exchange stuff with others, it can be counted, stacked, verified, disbursed, stored in numerous ways without reliance on numerous other factors. What happens to Crypto currency? Not just on a local area like Texas but let say a war breaks out, a major war between countries? Networks locked out, preventing validations of the blockchain. You would end up with multiple different chains, which one is valid? If you tie all the divergent chains together it would self correct but the Bitcoins or Alt Coins you thought you had may not have made it through the consensus. Heaven forbids a large solar flair wipes out numerous electronic equipment, satellites, phone towers and so on.

I see a lot of positives with Crypto but the almost total lack of foresight, precautions and so on reminds me of the 20's as well as the engineers who designed the Titanic. It may sail fast and big but an Ice Burg can still be bigger in the end.

With the current rewards for mining, gaming GPUs don't have a chance to stick on any shelf even if ridiculously priced.
 

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With the 3060 Ti FE rarely ever being in stock at BB, and the 3060 now basically guaranteed to not be available at MSRP from any of the AIBs, seems like getting a 60 series card will be next to impossible in the next few months - as expected. It's funny how the more I wait, the less I actually care about getting a GPU this year. I'm done with all my old Call of Duty games, so I started another old saga:

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I was playing RE6 and thought, why not do the whole thing? Bought 0 and 1 on a deal for like $8. 2 and 3 were like $14 each, no need to spend that much on such old games - and they run beautifully at 1440p 95hz. Plus, get on the Nvidia control panel, enable transparency AA and Multi-Frame AA, and you're really kicking up a notch what these games can look like.

With these 5 RE games, I have enough for this week and all of March. Then I'll get to Rage 2 that Epic is now giving for free at their store, that makes April. By May it's likely that Death Stranding or Doom Eternal will be sub $20, so I'll go for either of them or both. Come June, weather will be nice so I'll be outside more (fully vaccinated by then), otherwise I can always play Destiny 2 a bit more. Might attempt international travel in July to see family, fingers crossed. That puts me in August before I really need to think about a GPU again. By then we'll be close to the release of the 4000 series GPUs, so I'd expect the 3000 series to have a more normalized supply. AMD should also have more cards and their Super Resolution out by then, so it'll be a good situation to compare what brand is best for the rest of this year for 1080p 95hz or 1440p 95hz gaming.

GPU shortage? Who cares? Play enough old games with what you have, or get'em cheap on any of the numerous sales you can find them at, and you can be set for a while before you actually need a new GPU.
 

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I hear ya. I was just comparing to the particular segment of high volitility stocks which I see so many people lose their shirts in. Trailing edge VC, pump and dump activity, etc. It's much smaller scale in the crypto world, but it's the same general premises. I never knew how it could be so lucrative in the stock market until I saw it happen on a smaller scale in crypto.
Just curious. How have you come by this expertise? Do you work in finance?
 

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With the 3060 Ti FE rarely ever being in stock at BB, and the 3060 now basically guaranteed to not be available at MSRP from any of the AIBs, seems like getting a 60 series card will be next to impossible in the next few months - as expected. It's funny how the more I wait, the less I actually care about getting a GPU this year. I'm done with all my old Call of Duty games, so I started another old saga:
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So I guess I can't count on the EVGA wait list to provide me with my 3060 Ti. :wtf: :inpain:
 

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So I guess I can't count on the EVGA wait list to provide me with my 3060 Ti. :wtf: :inpain:
Not unless you want to pay at least $459, in that case sign up for the Auto Notify, but at this point, who knows if they'll ever get to you anymore.

If EVGA sells the 3060 at $329, then I'll sign up for the Auto Notify ASAP after the webpage goes live. I'm guessing anyone signing up within the hour actually has a chance of getting the cards in the next 2 months. If it's over MSRP... well, as I said before, I have plenty of old games to play until the market charges me a normal price. It's either that, or scoring a $399 3060 Ti via BB, which is probably not going to happen. If I don't happen to get a new GPU by May (I'm not really trying very hard, just waiting on the tracker to beep while I'm working on the computer) then I'll likely just wait until August. I ain't PC gaming much in the summer, would rather spend that money on airBNB weekends driving around the country.
 

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Not unless you want to pay at least $459, in that case sign up for the Auto Notify, but at this point, who knows if they'll ever get to you anymore.

If EVGA sells the 3060 at $329, then I'll sign up for the Auto Notify ASAP after the webpage goes live. I'm guessing anyone signing up within the hour actually has a chance of getting the cards in the next 2 months. If it's over MSRP... well, as I said before, I have plenty of old games to play until the market charges me a normal price. It's either that, or scoring a $399 3060 Ti via BB, which is probably not going to happen. If I don't happen to get a new GPU by May (I'm not really trying very hard, just waiting on the tracker to beep while I'm working on the computer) then I'll likely just wait until August. I ain't PC gaming much in the summer, would rather spend that money on airBNB weekends driving around the country.
I signed up on Dec. 10. Still waiting .....
 

AgentQ

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Did you read Morgan Stanley may invest 150 billion in Bitcoin? I hate to say this but we'll all have to wait and see.
The Bitcoin world is fueled by rumors. Crypto owners take any tiny piece of news and try to re-spin it as good for Bitcoin.

Morgan Stanley isn't going to invest $150 billion in Bitcoin. The rumor was that one of their investment arms, which has total investments of $150 billion, was considering if Bitcoin was at all appropriate to consider adding to their portfolio.

These investment companies never put 100% of their money into one, single asset. If they did buy Bitcoin (which I doubt), then they'd only be investing a tiny fraction of their portfolio in it.

The whole deal with cryptocurrency is about buying crypto early and selling it to late adopters at much higher prices. The scheme only works as long as more late adopters are arriving, so the rumor mill always wants you to think there are big buyers juuuust around the corner.
 
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