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What are your thoughts on Conroe?
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it seems good, it actually seems very good but it's also very not here... some people are way too excited for a product that's not available, on the other hand, this is great news for Intel fans since they didn't have much to cheer for in the last couple years...
I'm quite excited for Conroe and I have not been this excited about a processor in a long time. I have very high hopes for Conroe and based on the benchmark scores that I've already seen it looks at this point that Conroe has lived up to its billing.
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What Conroe means to me
1) A high performance Cpu that offers value
2) A low powered cool running cpu
3) A cpu that in its infanciey destroys any previous generatuon of CPU.
4) High performance on a very stable complete plaform.
I really like the fact that some elite people have these cpu's in hand now today!
There are 3 things I don't like about conroe
1) We won't see 3D gates till 32nm Penryn (or whatever name it will have) 20% performance gain
2) We won't see Terrahertz till 45nm Penryn 30% more effient
3) We won't see High K (metal gates) till Penryn 20% performance gain
1) A high performance Cpu that offers value
2) A low powered cool running cpu
3) A cpu that in its infanciey destroys any previous generatuon of CPU.
4) High performance on a very stable complete plaform.
I really like the fact that some elite people have these cpu's in hand now today!
There are 3 things I don't like about conroe
1) We won't see 3D gates till 32nm Penryn (or whatever name it will have) 20% performance gain
2) We won't see Terrahertz till 45nm Penryn 30% more effient
3) We won't see High K (metal gates) till Penryn 20% performance gain
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Burner27 said:
Not going to happen .
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Hmm interesting, though Penryn is the sucessor to Merom, not Conroe, Conroe 45nm sucessor is called Ridgefield. With the Sucessor to Allendale being Wolfdale, both the latter cores are 45nm process ones.$BangforThe$ said:
So TeraHertz transistor and High K at the 45nm node while TriGate has been pushed back to 32nm node.
Conroe will only end up in my PC if it is priced comparable to the competition.
For example, if the performance equivelent of the FX60 costs 200 dollars more than the FX60, I am not buying it..not that I would buy that expensive of a CPU anyways, but it all comes down bang for the buck. I could care less if the worlds fastest CPU is an Intel or an AMD, what matters is what is the best performer for my $300. I have been riding the AMD train since the K6-333 and have always kept my options open, Intel has always been more money for the same performance, I dont see this changing, but if it does Intel may end up in my next PC.
For example, if the performance equivelent of the FX60 costs 200 dollars more than the FX60, I am not buying it..not that I would buy that expensive of a CPU anyways, but it all comes down bang for the buck. I could care less if the worlds fastest CPU is an Intel or an AMD, what matters is what is the best performer for my $300. I have been riding the AMD train since the K6-333 and have always kept my options open, Intel has always been more money for the same performance, I dont see this changing, but if it does Intel may end up in my next PC.
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my thoughts of conroe? Can't wait 
it looks ridiculous. I agree that, if these early benches are indeed true (which they appear to be) then we're going to see one of the biggest speed increases between cpu generations ever. As one forum member stated a while back when conroe was just a rumor (I think it might have been Poncho) "it appears to be the perfect x86 cpu"
it looks ridiculous. I agree that, if these early benches are indeed true (which they appear to be) then we're going to see one of the biggest speed increases between cpu generations ever. As one forum member stated a while back when conroe was just a rumor (I think it might have been Poncho) "it appears to be the perfect x86 cpu"
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coldpower27 said:
Yes I should have said Merom as it is the mother of Intels latest greatest. I do believe that Merom was choosen to be the mother of this generation so as to give credit to the moble cpu (AMD64 mother is server based) I believe Intel did it right giving credit to the Israeli team that gave us Dothan and now Yonah.
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Ya most of us Intel fans know the Arch. differances but as pointed out earlier Merom is the the Mother. Israeli team is the father.
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Why dont' you just change the thread title to What are your thoughts on Intel's New Core Microarchitecture which follows the philosophies of the Pentium M?
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Jack I think he worded it wrong and got confused with Merom Conroe and core dual Yonah.
You have to admit so much happening so fast it is a bit confusing.
You have to admit so much happening so fast it is a bit confusing.
I got the information from that guy, but he could be wrong.uOpt @ Xtreme Systems said:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94332&page=8
Some other differences are supposed to be:
Brown Town @ Xtreme Systems said:
Poncho said:
You have never seen one because you put a conroe in a 955x board and it didn't run or you never saw anyone try it?
Correct me if I am wrong, but the only difference between the 955x and the 975x is the way the PCIe lanes are handled when 2 PCIe video cards are installed, right?
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Brown town seems to have a pretty clear handle on it.
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Burner27 said:
Thats not the problem VRM is the problem and so its won't work no bios update will fix it.
VRM will be fixed on the 975x because its the latest chipset.
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I will conceed that fact but 1066 @ 533 2:1 maybe . 1:1 noway I hope your right for your sake. You seem to have a vested interest I wish you luck.
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Burner27 said:
I've heard of 955XE's being able to support Conroes, but you're gonna have to hardware mod it.
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i think you had to bridge something. i'll look around for a link
1c3d0g said:How can you be so sure? Poncho works at Intel, so how do you know what's going on? Do you work at Intel too?
I do not work at Intel, but I read the schematic diagram for both mobos and the only difference I could see between the two chipsets was the the way the PCIe lanes get allocated.
I am not arguing the fact that the two chips are different in terms of their numbering schemes. In terms of functionality, they are very similar, but not so different that they both couldn't run the Conroe chip. ELECTRICALLY speaking they are almost identical. If Intel does something at the Bios level to prevent the 955x chipset from running Conroe or enables something on the 975x to run Conroe, then that is different. Otherwise, if you looked at the schematics of both--you'd see the same things.
Is Poncho on the R&D team? I am not insulting you Poncho, I am just basing my findings on what I have seen.
I agree that they are similar, but they are different chipsets. Could somebody "hack" 955 to make Conroe work? Probably... but that hack would NOT be supported or validated and there is no way I would ever care to run something like that on a main PC. Maybe do if for fun....
That's what will happen, though beyond that.... when the 955 boards were being designed, there was no plans to run conroe on them and there for the board design and Spec was not set up for it. So when ODMs and OEMs start building their boards they don't have the changes necessary to make Conroe work. 955 was in development aqbout a 1 year+ before we saw a 975 board, though they are very similar. Could Conroe run on 955? Maybe... but what I do know is that I have never seen, nor heard of anybody doing it. Which leads me to believe that it's not happening.
No.. I'm more in validation. I used to work with Desktops and Mobile but am now in Server land, though I still keep an eye on the former.
Burner27 said:
That's what will happen, though beyond that.... when the 955 boards were being designed, there was no plans to run conroe on them and there for the board design and Spec was not set up for it. So when ODMs and OEMs start building their boards they don't have the changes necessary to make Conroe work. 955 was in development aqbout a 1 year+ before we saw a 975 board, though they are very similar. Could Conroe run on 955? Maybe... but what I do know is that I have never seen, nor heard of anybody doing it. Which leads me to believe that it's not happening.
Burner27 said:
No.. I'm more in validation. I used to work with Desktops and Mobile but am now in Server land, though I still keep an eye on the former.
TheOmniscientCreator said:So, who is interested in Conroe? What are your thoughts, impressions, or expectations? We need some opinions here...and perhaps a chance at finally having more people looking at the Intel forum
I'm very much looking forward to ICH8 and I965. I skipped all of the 9xx's before it because they seemed like thry were just too transistional for ME. I didn't plan on Conroe this summer and didn't believe Intel's estimates of How fast Conroe would be, I thought manybe 10% or 20% on a couple of Apps and damned sure not kick the crap out of AMD's accross the board, sheesh!
The performance is very nice but Price is what impresses me the most. I wouldn't give a flip about either AMD and or Intel if they were just trying to see who could get the most profits. I have ZERO interests in any of the Processors costing more than $400, same goes for Video cards costing more than $300 or RAM costing more than $150 and so on. More power to those who have money for things like that, hell, I wish I were them.
To me, not speaking for anyone else, if Conroe just matched AMD and is near those price points listed so for, since they are much Cheaper, AMD would be in trouble anyway. Sure Fans would still stick with AMD, not many others would. Example; I want Conroe and would still want the 2.4GHz E6600 if it matched AMD 1:1 instead of kicking the crap out of it clock for clock and at a slower speed. At 2.4GHz and $315 tray and an MSRP of $350, that'd still leave AMD screwed. 3800+ costs $295. AM2 will cost even more as well.