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Watercooling Question

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Well, I'm looking into doing a custom watercooling setup and was wondering what parts I could get that would give me the best performance ie. waterblocks, radiator etc. Thanks for any help.:p
 
I recommend building your own system piece by piece. The premade kits out there I feel are just not worth the money. Check out these sites....

www.dangerden.com
www.frozencpu.com
www.xoxide.com

and piece some stuff together :)

Oh and for your tubing I recommend going to a local hardware store because you will get a better deal :)
 
http://www.dangerden.com/
or
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp
for decent priced perfomace kits.

or if you have alot of money and want a bling kit...
http://snt-systems.com/catalog/index.php

edit: wow check this out. might rival the exos style and by the looks of the prices for the rest of the stuff there i wont be surprised if its twice the price of a current exos...
http://snt-systems.com/catalog/prod...id=76&osCsid=1e9f164dbf0988caac02bc8eb87a040d

it i had the money id probably buy everything there. thier parts looks leet as hell to me.
 
i m sure d-tek is a gerat store but i had a bad experience with their white water blox..

it has plastic fittings and it leaked within 3 minutes...

i fixed it with some other fittings from my old blox but i m kinda worried if it will hold or not
 
oooh Dtekcustsoms.com I cant believe I forgot to add that site. Good place :)
 
Current "best" system for an in-box setup:

Cathar's Silver Cascade block

Iwaki MD15R

Single pass dual 120mm fan heatercore - Fedco 2-342 core

Custom push-pull shrouds with 4 fans

1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Current "best" system for an in-box setup:

Cathar's Silver Cascade block

Iwaki MD15R

Single pass dual 120mm fan heatercore - Fedco 2-342 core

Custom push-pull shrouds with 4 fans

1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing
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i gotta agree with this setup. wouldnt be cheap but itd be pretty kickass. although for its price and a lot of work you could build your own phase-change ;)
 
Originally posted by kronchev
i gotta agree with this setup. wouldnt be cheap but itd be pretty kickass. although for its price and a lot of work you could build your own phase-change ;)
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Over at overclockers.com.au, Cathar used a similar system to get a BETTER overclock than a friend using a mid-range vapochill setup, on the same exact processor (they swapped).
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Over at overclockers.com.au, Cathar used a similar system to get a BETTER overclock than a friend using a mid-range vapochill setup, on the same exact processor (they swapped).
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vapochill as in the premade crap? no thanks. im talking about MAKING it from parts. im sure that system you specified would destroy most cooling systems out there...
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Current "best" system for an in-box setup:

Cathar's Silver Cascade block

Iwaki MD15R

Single pass dual 120mm fan heatercore - Fedco 2-342 core

Custom push-pull shrouds with 4 fans

1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing
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:eek: thats kinda expensive. I'm looking to spend 275-350
I want it to look good and be compact. What can you reccomend me for that?
 
Hey, if you were interested in the "leet" stuff @ snt-systems.com , Im sure we can work within your budget.

We carry a silver CPU block as well but it retails for $232, its purty!

-Dan
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
Hey, if you were interested in the "leet" stuff @ snt-systems.com , Im sure we can work within your budget.

We carry a silver CPU block as well but it retails for $232, its purty!

-Dan
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any pictures of it yet?
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Current "best" system for an in-box setup:

Cathar's Silver Cascade block

Iwaki MD15R

Single pass dual 120mm fan heatercore - Fedco 2-342 core

Custom push-pull shrouds with 4 fans

1/2" ID 3/4" OD tubing
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Iwaki is seldom used in H20 setups and I cant think of a better pump for the money.. the Iwaki MD20RLT is also a nice pump but a bit larger than you were looking for.

If you can find one on Ebay I would recommend purchasing it ;)
 
Originally posted by jwill
any pictures of it yet?
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The only one I have right now isnt the most clear picture but here it is.

cuplex13_silver_straight_a.jpg
 
I will be getting one of the silver Aqua-Computer blocks from SNT-systems as part of a review I am working on in the next few weeks... when I get it and have some results rest assured they wont be kept a secret.
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
Hey, if you were interested in the "leet" stuff @ snt-systems.com , Im sure we can work within your budget.
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No offense, but that stuff isn't even on the same level as a setup with a Cathar block, Iwaki and single pass core.

Originally posted by Nappo
:eek: thats kinda expensive. I'm looking to spend 275-350
I want it to look good and be compact. What can you reccomend me for that?
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You said the best. ;)

If you want to save (a lot of money), swap out the pump for a swiftech MCP600, keep the single pass core (if it will fit in your case/box), and try to get your hands on a copper cascade. Feel free to add northbridge and gpu blocks of your choice.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
No offense, but that stuff isn't even on the same level as a setup with a Cathar block, Iwaki and single pass core.
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Well, thats your opinion and you are intitled to it. The OCfaq.com review will shed more light on the situation so all the small talk can have more numbers involved.

-Dan
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
Well, thats your opinion and you are intitled to it. The OCfaq.com review will shed more light on the situation so all the small talk can have more numbers involved.
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That's doubtful if they use similar procedures as used in this review.

In it, they judged the effectiveness of the gpu blocks by the overclock they produced. The problem is, the results are only applicable for someone using the exact same watercooling setup and video card.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
That's doubtful if they use similar procedures as used in this review.

In it, they judged the effectiveness of the gpu blocks by the overclock they produced. The problem is, the results are only applicable for someone using the exact same watercooling setup and video card.
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That is indeed somewhat true...

As for the methodology we will employ in the CPU block reviews, we will utilize ths same techniques as any other site of good standing to produce results that have some basis for comparison.

While we may be an internet upstart, we arent new to the game of OC'ing and we have the instrumentation available to produce some useful data. I hope that you will give it a read once finished - I would love to hear your opinions.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Do you consider overclockers.com a site "of good standing"?

http://www.overclockers.com/articles654/
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As a matter of fact, I do...

If we have issues during the testing or questions, we will ask our friends in the industry (such as the individual who owns the very site and forum we are now posting on)

Feel free to catch me via IM or email if you care to discuss anything further... all info is in my sig
 
Originally posted by Mcseiam

If we have issues during the testing or questions, we will ask our friends in the industry (such as the individual who owns the very site and forum we are now posting on)
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Since when does Kyle B. know anything about watercooling? Last time I checked, he was using a Koolance Exos.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Since when does Kyle B. know anything about watercooling? Last time I checked, he was using a Koolance Exos.
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And this is where you lost the chance to continue this discussion.. I dont care to argue and quite frankly, I dont have any reason to.

I dont have to justify my website to you or anyone else, it is something we created because we love the hobby and wanted to share something. Take it or leave it, read it or dont, but you and I are done "chatting"
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Since when does Kyle B. know anything about watercooling? Last time I checked, he was using a Koolance Exos.
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Be careful who you start attacking buddy. Mods usually are not the best to alienate. Since when does the Exos not perform well anyways, last time I checked [H]OCP gave the kit an award.

-Dan
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
Be careful who you start attacking buddy. Mods usually are not the best to alienate. Since when does the Exos not perform well anyways, last time I checked [H]OCP gave the kit an award.

-Dan
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http://overclockers.com/articles373/waterkit.asp

The Exos gets beaten by the Hydrocool and ties with a shoddy kit that uses dinky tubing and a small radiator.

I don't care who what sites, forums, and mousepad companies Kyle owns. He is not a watercooling expert by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Giblet, put down the bottle, go to bed, and live another day with posting privileges.
 
Originally posted by DeRailur
Giblet, put down the bottle, go to bed, and live another day with posting privileges.
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I haven't been drinking today, that was last thursday.

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I just get annoyed with the know it all attitude of certain people on this forum. That said, I don't really give a flying fuck about keeping posting privileges here.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
That said, I don't really give a flying fuck about keeping posting privileges here.
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Then it should come as no surprise to you when they are revoked.

Flaming is not tolerated here and I cannot see any evidence of this "know it all attitude" you find so offensive....
 
Originally posted by Mcseiam
Then it should come as no surprise to you when they are revoked.

Flaming is not tolerated here and I cannot see any evidence of this "know it all attitude" you find so offensive....
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Who have I flamed?

Directly disagreeing is not flaming. Hell, you can even be rude without flaming. The thing is, most people here "know" they are right, so an attack on what they say is percieved as a flame.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Who have I flamed?

Directly disagreeing is not flaming. Hell, you can even be rude without flaming. The thing is, most people here "know" they are right, so an attack on what they say is percieved as a flame.
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Disagreement is ok, hell diagreement is great - I like debate, some would say I live for it.

I draw the line at rude though and as I have some control over what goes on in the OC&C forum I attempt to keep it to a minimum... flaming (rudeness) is not tolerated.

If you wish to be rude or feel that rudeness is acceptable then I would suggest finding another place to post. If you can abide by the rules and wish to contribute to the threads and discussions at hand then by all means stay....
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
PWNZED!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Shut up fanboy.

If I were a prospective customer surfing the hardforum, I would be very skeptical of tests performed on your wares by people you seem extremely friendly with.
 
Originally posted by Mcseiam

If you wish to be rude or feel that rudeness is acceptable then I would suggest finding another place to post. If you can abide by the rules and wish to contribute to the threads and discussions at hand then by all means stay....
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If you look through my posts, you will notice that I have contributed to discussion here. I have probably answered as many questions through PM about my personal setup as questions in threads.

However, I do have a problem with you considering Kyle B a watercooling expert. He arguably is a hardware expert, but that does not mean he knows a single thing about watercooling. From everything I've read, he only runs prebuilt kits.

Good luck with your review. I'd be impressed if you do tests in a similar manner to BillA at overclockers.com and procooling.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
However, I do have a problem with you considering Kyle B a watercooling expert. He arguably is a hardware expert, but that does not mean he knows a single thing about watercooling. From everything I've read, he only runs prebuilt kits.
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And if you look through my posts you will see at no point have I referred to Kyle as a watercooling expert.

I simply stated that I would "ask our friends in the industry (such as the individual who owns the very site and forum we are now posting on)". The word expert is not to be found in that statement or indeed the entire post I copied that from (to be found on page 2)

Two can play this game, quit assuming that I have said something which I havent.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
Shut up fanboy.

If I were a prospective customer surfing the hardforum, I would be very skeptical of tests performed on your wares by people you seem extremely friendly with.
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What you perceive as seemingly biased results is nothing more than honest hard work and professionalism. My company works hard to bring honestly excellent pieces of equipment here. If I were to bring him a crappy product, and he happened to give it an equally crappy review, then maybe you'd see that there is no bias. We can just seperate work and pleasure, that's all...
 
Originally posted by nt|Mods
What you percieve as seeminly biased results is nothing more than honest hard work and professionalism. My company works hard to bring honestly excellent pieces of equiptment here. If I were to bring him a crappy product, and he happened to give it an equally crappy review, then maybe you'd see that there is no bias. We can just seperate work and pleasure, that's all...
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I never said that the results would be biased. I said that how you conduct yourself here could lead potential customers to question the validity of tests done by people here that you seem to want to be associated with.

Again:

Originally posted by nt|Mods
PWNZED!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Is that a 15 year old or a businessman speaking?
 
Originally posted by Mcseiam
And if you look through my posts you will see at no point have I referred to Kyle as a watercooling expert.

I simply stated that I would "ask our friends in the industry (such as the individual who owns the very site and forum we are now posting on)". The word expert is not to be found in that statement or indeed the entire post I copied that from (to be found on page 2)
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The fact that you plan on asking him for advice on watercooling testing would lead most people to believe that he is an expert.
 
Originally posted by Giblet Plus!
I haven't been drinking today, that was last thursday.

[]http://www.iupload.net/022004/IMG_1602.jpg[/IMG]

I just get annoyed with the know it all attitude of certain people on this forum. That said, I don't really give a flying fuck about keeping posting privileges here.
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:( man and I respected you...american beer = no.

as for this argument, it really is pointless, both sides. IMO (notice, thats OPINION) i dont consider kyle a watercooling expert. that being said, the exos is an ok system for someone whose completly incompetent and couldnt assemble the system themselves.
 
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