Warp Speed Will Kill You

Some form of shielding would have to be created in order to travel that way...of course Gene Roddenberry thought of that too.:D
Doing shielding and warp speed exactly how its done in Star Trek though is an entirely different story.
 
step 1 : separate spacetime like moses did to water.

step 2: don't travel 99% the speed of light. instead, just walk between time.
 
I remind everyone that starships like Enterprise have a deflector dish which is used to deflect incoming particles.
 
This is implying that the object is moving at light speed. Warp theory is that space time around you is moving at the speed of light. The object within the 'warp bubble' is not actually moving.
 
Some physicists while being really smart are also really stupid. Next someone will be telling us that space travel is impossible because you would suffocate.
 
1. I really don't get how this person "discovered"/"calculated" this... I mean doppler shifting of light at relativistic speeds isn't exactly new.

2. Warp speed doesn't accelerate through the speed of light, it warps space moving the space FTL but everything inside of it is moving at normal speeds... so suck on that one egg head!
 
bigdogchris said:
This is implying that the object is moving at light speed. Warp theory is that space time around you is moving at the speed of light. The object within the 'warp bubble' is not actually moving.
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I thought about that too but in Star Trek you can still hit objects at warp. With this logic they could fly at warp clear through a planet or star. On may occasions crews have expressed concern about hitting a planet or star at warp.

Like you I have the tendency to believe that in real life you would more likely fly clear through objects instead of hitting them.
 
Ok, time to trot the trek geek out..

This guy doesn't get it. Warp isn't about speed it's about folding space. The ship technically doesn't move space is folded around it hence no speed per se'

All that other crap he's worried about (radiation, atoms etc) is taken care of by the warp bubble plus a myriad of yet uninvented shielding technologies not to mention that big ol' deflector dish (get it, it DEFLECTS stuff). Watch any of the trek series and eventually they'll be wailing on about the secondary hull breach and deadly radiation of one sort or another because the protection is compromised.

Ok, nuf geek stuff, gotta go pump some iron and bench lift a Buick or something...
 
"Breaking news! This technology that doesn't exist wouldn't work! Well... unless you had some of the other technologies that don't exist."

Totally silly.
 
sfsuphysics said:
1. I really don't get how this person "discovered"/"calculated" this... I mean doppler shifting of light at relativistic speeds isn't exactly new.

2. Warp speed doesn't accelerate through the speed of light, it warps space moving the space FTL but everything inside of it is moving at normal speeds... so suck on that one egg head!
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True enough. I remember teaching this to a 6th grader way back in 1991....
 
sfsuphysics said:
2. Warp speed doesn't accelerate through the speed of light, it warps space moving the space FTL but everything inside of it is moving at normal speeds... so suck on that one egg head!
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John W. Campbell mentioned this back in the 1920's-30's in his Arcott, Morey and Wade stories. True he used Time bubbles then, but...

Roddenberry, or rather his ghost writer, mentioned long ago in one of the Making of Star Trek books that the ship travels in a bubble and never actually exceeds light speed, and that it wasn't so much the planets and suns they were afraid of running into, as it was that their gravity wells could distort or disrupt the ships warp bubble.
Duh! This dunce discovers things even the show Producer was aware of nearly 50 years ago.

Maybe this guy should have a talk with Dr. Michio Kaku.
 
niconx said:
I thought about that too but in Star Trek you can still hit objects at warp. With this logic they could fly at warp clear through a planet or star. On may occasions crews have expressed concern about hitting a planet or star at warp.

Like you I have the tendency to believe that in real life you would more likely fly clear through objects instead of hitting them.
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The Deflector Dish main purpose is to move debris out of the way. Plus long range sensors would help ship to navigate around any larger objects.
 
goodcooper said:
that's what the deflector dish is for...
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not only that but the ships in star trek were not made of any known materials today they used much much denser alloys that exist only in fiction. transparent aluminum... plus they at warp didn't travel in normal space the warp field moved the mass of the starship into subspace the more mass moved into subspace the faster they went... pair that with a charged field around the ship at all times used to defend against micro meteoroids and normal space radiation and yeah.

Don't you just hate when armchair scientists who see one episode and then immediately start bashing...
 
CyclopsSlayer said:
Roddenberry, or rather his ghost writer, mentioned long ago in one of the Making of Star Trek books that the ship travels in a bubble and never actually exceeds light speed
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Yup, and if memory serves the little symbol of star fleet the "A" with the off center star reflects just that, going around the speed of light.
 
Whoever wrote this article should be shot.
We all know in star trek spaceships that go to warp create a warp bubble where the ship travels in while going through warp. On top of that the ship has shields which deflect any atoms from getting in.
Also if you read on the internet we already have back engineered the tech from crashed ufos
The theory is the ship creates a warp bubble and bends space and time , so your not really traveling at warp 9 or whatever. haha
Your ship is protected from any gravity effects or space garbage they describe.

haha
 
The used to say you would explode at supersonic speed. It's easy to claim anything that nobody can prove. The were wrong then, and nobody knows if this is wrong now...
 
This scientist should be working on a deflector dish and a warp bubble. The dish deflects dust and other space debris while the warp bubble protects the ship and everyone in it from time travel phenomena and radiation. How else could they warp around in space, come back to earth and their relatives are all still alive! :)
 
Lunas said:
not only that but the ships in star trek were not made of any known materials today they used much much denser alloys that exist only in fiction. transparent aluminum... plus they at warp didn't travel in normal space the warp field moved the mass of the starship into subspace the more mass moved into subspace the faster they went... pair that with a charged field around the ship at all times used to defend against micro meteoroids and normal space radiation and yeah.

Don't you just hate when armchair scientists who see one episode and then immediately start bashing...
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so how do you explain the guy who invented warp speed in start trek , i think his name was zefrin cocran or something. In the movie he made a old nuclear ballistic missile into a space ship that went to warp. Are you saying the missile was made special? materials
 
I bet this guy never new bob lazar. ahah
Also he must not know anything about the TR-3B
The aircraft that can create anti gravity fields to turn on a dime where the occupant does not feel any g forces.
Its all about the bubble lol
 
Ok, for once Sci-Fi is ahead of Science...

1) Even though to an observer at some other point in the universe it appears that the ship is moving faster than c ... The starship at "warp" isn't going anywhere near that fast. The ship is warping space and skipping across the surface like a rock over a pond. So realitive to the ship in the local space around it ... it isn't going at speeds that would cause this issue.

2) According to Star Trek fiction ... the whole point of the main deflector dish is to deflect dangerous materials out of the way of the ship as it travels.
 
bigdogchris said:
The Deflector Dish main purpose is to move debris out of the way. Plus long range sensors would help ship to navigate around any larger objects.
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if it can move large crap out of the way surely it wouldnt have any issues moving a few atoms out of the way
 
UnrealCpu said:
so how do you explain the guy who invented warp speed in start trek , i think his name was zefrin cocran or something. In the movie he made a old nuclear ballistic missile into a space ship that went to warp. Are you saying the missile was made special? materials
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kinda
think of it as the Bell X-1 of Warp travel it could only make short hops ie to the moon and back and it mostly made of Ti as was the Enterprise E windows are some other things are made from god knows what but the bulk of the haul is Ti what really holds the ship together is the structural integrity field
 
NoForgiveness said:
LOL. Time to start thinking of another way.
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According to Science Channel and Physicist who actually researches Warp speed. The ship doesn't need to move AT ALL to do what is actually called Warp speed which consists in creating a shield and using relativity to bend the space around it. Just like the transporting strips in electric escalators and airports.
 
1) People on this thread are having a really hard time reading what other people on this thread have already written

2) People on this thread are having a really hard time reading what other people on this thread have already written
 
This paragraph made me /facepalm...

"Some audience members at the American Physical Society event protested that Kirk, Spock and the "Star Trek" crew would all still live because of the starship Enterprise having shields. But Edelstein noted some of the existing difficulties with creating an electromagnetic shield with any resemblance to "Star Trek" technology."

So we've already overcome the "existing difficulties" of creating a warp capable ship that resembles Star Trek technology? I wasn't aware we had one sitting somewhere in a hangar just waiting untill we worked out the shielding problems...
 
At least everyone is talking about Star Trek's warp drive, you don't see any scientists talking about Star Wars "Light Speed" :p

did I just start a war?
 
you don't have to prove anything in Star Wars. The universe - It's got the force!

Brent_Justice said:
At least everyone is talking about Star Trek's warp drive, you don't see any scientists talking about Star Wars "Light Speed" :p

did I just start a war?
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CyclopsSlayer said:
.......Maybe this guy should have a talk with Dr. Michio Kaku.
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I'd choose Dr Leah Brahms instead. A mind to tackle warp field theory with the body of an Orion slave girl. Oh My:)

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AaronGant said:
you don't have to prove anything in Star Wars. The universe - It's got the force!
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Made possible by Midichlorians!

It was at that moment that Lucas crushed my dreams of sharing the Star Wars experience with my family. My Dad took me to see star wars when I was 8 yrs old, it was an incredible experience. 20 some odd years later here I sat in a nice theater with my Dad and daughter, going, "ok, the CGI is really pretty, but WTF is with the lame ass story, dialogue and the lizard jamacian?! It's got to get better....." and then the midichlorians line hit, and I knew at that moment with all my heart Lucas was just beginning with the rape of my childhood. Just like the south park ep of him and Spielberg raping indiana:(
 
Warp speed was always much faster than the speed of light.... I had always assumed it was a "warping" of space/time, the effective "speed" had to do with how much power was needed and as Starfleet progressed they could achieve a higher degree of warp as the centuries went by.

They were never actually going super fast in the usual sense, no "relativistic" effects were going on.... zip off to Vulcan, and everyone at Starfleet headquarters ends up 200 years older by the time you get there, etc, etc.

Much more plausible and actually possible, hyperspace. Battlestar Gallactica had a limitation where the passage they made through hyperspace had a limited maximum distance with the tech they had. Babylon5 had some limitation as well. Stargate is the most plausible, both for the actual stargate and the hyperdrive engines.

If there is a subspace or hyperspace between universes/dimensions, and you could punch a hole into it and back out of it at some other place, then it would work very much like a stargate works in the show.

And, there is a subspace between dimensions. :eek::p:cool:
 
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