Waiting for RTX Titan...

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  1. Armpit

    Armpit Gawd

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    The performance of the 2080 Ti is what I expected but given the price I'm not sure it is worth it, I also don't like the idea of buying such an expensive card that is cut-down. Anyone else thinking of waiting to see if there will be an RTX Titan? I'm almost certain that we will see a 12GB card with the full TU102 chip with all cores and ROPs enabled. The question is, will it be worth the price and what that might be? I mean at this point, the Titan Xp that Nvidia is still selling is completely obsolete and pointless, there is absolutely no reason to pay $1200 for that when you can get better performance for $1200 and a 2080 Ti. So either they have to drop it in price or replace it with more expensive, but cheaper than RTX Quadro, alternative or maybe, as some are saying, get rid of the branding.
     
  2. Hakaba

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    I don’t know if it would even be worth it, what will they do? Offer a $2000-$2500 version to not cut into the 2080 ti?
     
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    The prices are approaching absurdity *and* today we find that the performance does not justify it :p
    Is anyone really desiring to pay even more for such a tiny performance bump?
     
  4. XoR_

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    They will surely make new Titan, for those people who already bought 2080Ti... and definitely those who bought Titan V for gaming :cat:

    Then you can buy two of these Titan cards and NVLink bridge :cool:
     
  5. Neon01

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    Why are people saying this? This statement is wholly dependent on budget. This is the first card that had released for less than multiple thousand that is capable of delivering true UHD @60 FPS in virtually all modern games with all graphical goodies enabled. Period.

    Definitely worth it in my book
     
  6. Furious_Styles

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    Why do you think they are saying it? It's because the performance bump is similar from 9-> 10 series but the prices are much higher.
     
  7. doubletake

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    Yeah I'll be holding off as well, not in any rush to ditch my Titan Xs. The pricetag isn't what puts me off, but rather the fact that it's not the same general leap in performance as the previous 2 generations of cards (~60% from Maxwell to Pascal).
     
  8. Neon01

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    So? What you're talking about is whether it represents the same value over the previous generation as the previous generation did over the one before that. Not only does that have little to do with whether it's "worth it", but it's pretty much a meaningless metric. Does it piss people off? Sure, but they'll sell out regardless.

    In my book, the only thing that defines worth is X performance for Y dollars (relative to the rest of the market).
     
  9. arestavo

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    More power to them. This is one early adopter's tax that I'm happy to let pass me by.

    The good news is that RTX 2.0 should be much better, and we might be able to play at 4K with raytracing. And by that time DLSS might be prolific.

    Here's to two more years of SLI 1080 Tis!
     
  10. Gideon

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    It's pretty damn close to a side grade from your Titan XP maybe a 15% uplift depending on clock speeds of the two cards. So if I were in your shoes I would laugh and continue to enjoy my current cards performance and wait for the next gen that actually might have a big enough performance impact to justify the upgrade cost. Your money to waste tho, just don't be all surprised others don't agree with it being worth the money. I really dont see these cards selling well so I have to assume Nvidia has very limited supply, especially compared to how Pascal sold.
     
  11. Kwaz

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    Won't happen.

    Titan isn't for gaming thus no Ray Tracing
     
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    I won't argue that this is not the sensible decision, as any of the purchases we're talking about are (to varying degrees) not exactly sound investments, but I'm also curious as to why so many believe they can predict what the future will hold as far as gpu performance, release dates, and prices are concerned. I've certainly learned, after this past generation, that the playbook they were playing by in the era of AMD competition is pretty much defunct. I might have waited this one out if I truly believed that they will release something much better or for much less money in the next year or so, but given the market, I just can't see why they even would.
     
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    Well I have a Titan X Pascal, for the record, not a Titan Xp (I really can't believe they did that). Mine is on par with the 1080ti. My interest is UHD 60fps (or 3820x1600 @75), which is why the Xp wasn't enough. The 2080ti is.

    I posted a thread here in early April asking when we'd get a 20% performance improvement over Titan Xp, saying I was willing to pay up to $1500 for this, so though some might consider it a waste, this suits me just fine. https://hardforum.com/threads/when-will-we-see-a-20-upgrade-to-titan-x-pascal.1958384/
     
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    Sir, you asked me why people are saying that. I told you why. I can only compare relative performance gains to relative cost increases over previous generations, not your willingness to pay $1500 for 4k performance or 3000. If you can't see why someone wouldn't consider it worth it to pay a lot more for less then this conversation isn't worth having.
     
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    Value is subjective, end of story.
     
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    Ahh thought you had a Xp not just a X, which is god damn confusing. Also expect people to be feisty about people buying these cards as the pricing is so damn high on them compared to the performance increase. Many want these cards to fall in price and they wont if too many people buy them. I personally will wait to see what the 7nm cards will bring to the table.
     
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    I agree with that statement completely but if we use Nvidia's pricing logic going forward in a few years we'll be paying $5,000 for their top end consumer card. Good luck with that strategy.
     
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    Fuck these prices.... I'm waiting for 7nm from team red or green at no more than $500 msrp (what used to be considered enthusiast, which is now apparently peasant grade 2060 level)
     
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  19. Dayaks

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    Given the Quadro 8000 is only 7.5% larger I don't think it's worth waiting for a Titan, the performance will be negligible. Quadro 8000 only has 6% more cuda cores, same ray tracing throughput, ect. Looking at the Titan V looks like Titans are going more prosumer and $$$$.
     
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    The 2080ti tracks pretty well when you look at it from a Titan X -> Titan X Pascal -> Titan XP when it comes to a price for performance and release cycle standpoint. An actual Ti iteration shouldn't be released for another 6-9 months. So I guess when I say I'm confused why you say it's not worth it, well neither was any Titan ever, from your perspective. And that's fine, but don't let the fact that this thing has a Ti badge make you think it's anything other than the latest Titan.

    Frankly, I think Nvidia made an error when they badged it as a Ti when they could have just called it a Titan and made just as many sales, then released the Ti as usual in another 6-9 months. As it is, it just got folks riled at the fact that the latest "Ti" was too expensive.
     
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  22. polonyc2

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    yeah they made a huge mistake releasing it as a Ti...they should have stuck to their usual release cycle...the 2080Ti 6 months from now would look much better plus at a cheaper price...the Titan is only going to be more expensive so unless they are planning a new branded card they screwed themselves over
     
  23. l88bastard

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    When has Nvidia branding ever made sense? Fucking company brands shit totally backwards all the time lol

    The 2080ti Spanks the Titan XP soundly and costs the same. That's all people need to know.
     
  24. Kwaz

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    Different use cases
     
  25. Eyeball Kid

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    I think what happened was they were relying on much better performance from the non-ti, didn't get it, and were forced to release the ti at the same time. Remember when there was news about them also trademarking the name 2080+ (Or something like that)? I think that's probably the Titan part.
     
  26. sk3tch

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    I gave up the TITAN game not too long after I gave up the SLI game. For me, the Ti part makes the most sense. Maximum performance related to price. I'm happy having 90-95% of the TITAN-level card at 30% or lower cost.

    I think we are all seeing two factors playing out: #1 NVIDIA's dominance of the market and #2 cryptocurrency. These cards will sell because of varying factors related to those two points.

    If you think AMD is going to come out and not follow suit in pricing - you're crazy. The only thing we can hope for is competition but the lines in the sand have been made - so don't expect $499 or $599 top end cards ever again.
     
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    If they do that it is literally the death of RTG. They have NO MARKET PENETRATION with RTG. Nvidia just jumped up to what was at, 80% of the dedicated GPU market with Turing now introduced? Where is AMD's answer? You would hang yourself putting any new card out against your competition at the competitions price. Remember Nvidia 80% market. Polaris 30 will give the fans a nice 1080, possibly 1440p card and put a dent in Nvidia as they really don't have a mid-range out right now with the new Turing architecture. Specially at the $250 and just under/over that price market.

    Oh Crypto is dead. When major investment firms pull out of having a trading desk for it, it's done. Bitcoin, still sinking bobbling up and down this last month. It is and will be the last bubble to burst. Now what comes out of crypto, I would like to see. The underlying function and system is there with blockchaining, so who knows, but for all purpose right now, Nvidia even said they are not basing their predictions on Crypto again.

    https://www.verdict.co.uk/is-cryptocurrency-dead-flash-crash/
     
  28. Dayaks

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    IIRC both the Fury X and Vega 64 were $100 higher than they should have been. Definitely at least the Fury X.
     
  29. Krenum

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    Word. $500 is my limit too. Ngreedia can suck it!
     
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  30. Supercharged_Z06

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    Interesting you should say that when a few weeks before the 2080/2080Ti rollout, Nvidia was showing off their new line-up of Quadro cards at Siggraph (which are DEFINITELY NOT gaming cards) and they were pushing the ray tracing tech HARD, talking about how their new Quadro cards push “10 gigarays” in ray tracing performance with the new ray tracing tech baked right into them. If their 2080 /2080Ti cards have ray tracing hardware tech and their top of the line professional cards have the new ray tracing hardware tech, why are you saying that a new Titan would not? Why would they leave that hole in their lineup if they are embracing this tech so hard?

    Just curious as to what you are basing your reasoning on. It really appears to me that Nvidis is pushing RT across the board, not just in gaming.

    Source:

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  31. sk3tch

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    All good points.

    My "follow suit" for AMD is pricing within range of NVIDIA - like Dayaks posted above - within $100. It isn't like their top end is going to be $500 (unless it sucks balls and it is priced that way to compete with NVIDIA's mid-tier).

    Gamers will buy AMD even if they're NVIDIA people if they bring the price/performance.

    Crypto may be dead or dying right now but I don't believe it will be gone for good. Hopefully we won't see the spike in demand like we did between last year and this year again.
     
  32. NKD

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    if 2080ti isn't worth it. Which I sure don't think it is. Do you think RTX titan will be worth it for another 15-20% performance max and for 2k-2500? I am not even sure if it will be even that much faster to be honest. I honestly don't think NVidia will releasing one until 7nm. 2080ti is the new titan price wise I don't think they will be making such a big die for consumers. These cards are no doubt expensive to make and are luxury at the moment.
     
  33. pippenainteasy

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    No way its 15-20% faster without a higher power target.
     
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    Give me an RTX Titan for $2K that's a solid 20% faster than the 2080Ti (or roughly 55% faster than the Titan X Pascal that I currently run) and I'll gladly play the role of stupid consumer that throws money at Nvidia to obtain one. :)

    I just can't stomach $1200-1300 for a 2080TI to only gain a 35% bump in performance while losing a gig of VRAM in the process - it just doesn't seem enough to me to warrant the spend. But a 55% bump in GPU performance... that is enticing.
     
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    damn you would spend another 700-900 for just another 20% bump in performance? lol! Atleast you admit being the stupid consumer, props for that. Honesty is respected! hope they release one for you, haha!
     
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    I have a Titan Pascal. I thought the 5-10% performance bump for the Titan XP was retarded @$1200

    35% is a very nice performance bump.....and its the same price point as the retarded XP.

    You could get about $600 for your Pascal which would make it $6ooish to upgrade. Worth it IMHO if your pushing 4k
     
  37. Supercharged_Z06

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    True, yep same boat here when the Titan XP came out. No way was I going to upgrade for that small a bump.

    Still, a 35% bump just isn't quite enough for me yet. (And realistically it is probably more like a max of a 30% bump in my case as I've got my Titan water blocked with the GPU dialed in running a solid 2050Mhz OC sitting at ~40C with zero throttling issues.)

    But I would be very enticed as to an upgrade if that bump were more like 50% with no loss of VRAM.
     
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    The reason it seems pointless is because it'll still he slower than an overclocked Titan V in rasterization. The hybrid 2080 ti barely does 122fps with Sniper Elite 4. The Titan V at 2.1ghz and 850gb/s memory overclock does 142fps.

    That's 16% faster than a max oc 2080 ti...I dont seee a rtx titan catching up to that.
     
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  40. sk3tch

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    How do you figure? The TITAN V is basically a 2080 Ti with more cores and a gimped cooler. The RTX TITAN can get that 15-20% gain over the 2080 Ti easy with pure raw CUDA cores thrown at it alone.

    I mean, really, a RTX TITAN will be like a TITAN Vp lol - minimal bump but still faster.