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wait for nehelam?

I'm going to wait my Opty is holding up well enough for what i want to do I can wait 6-9 months and see what nehelam turns out to be. Besides thats about how long it will prob take me to come up with the funds. Unless my car decides break down again. I'm ready to be back on the bleeding edge of things.
 
shiznit said:
Did you read what I wrote? Eliminating the northbridge on the desktop will lead cheaper platforms and cost reduction.
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Why would intel reduce their price, the silicon will still be there, but now it will be a more expensive cpu to make up for a cheaper motherboard :p
 
You are right, people hate paying less money for stuff, and corporations hate to cut their manufacturing costs. Eliminating the northbridge also lets them integrate video on the cpu making basic desktop and laptop graphics faster.
 
shiznit said:
You are right, people hate paying less money for stuff, and corporations hate to cut their manufacturing costs. Eliminating the northbridge also lets them integrate video on the cpu making basic desktop and laptop graphics faster.
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you think corperations cut their costs to benefit us? no they do it to increase their profit margins :p
 
I'm debating on upgrading my system but I think Nehalem is too far out for me to wait. The desktop processors are supposed to hit the market sometime in Q1 09. I refuse to be an early adopter having been burnt by that in the past. So waiting for the initial kinks to be sorted and supply/price to settle enough to build a good bang for the buck Nehalem based system would probably end up being 1.5yrs from now.

Wolfdales are looking really tasty but still a bit premature to buy for my tastes. My current plan is to wait till early May. At that time I plan on picking up an E7200(budget 45nm Wolfdale) along with a P45 based mobo. And then pick up a cheap Yorkfield a year or two down the line to give my system a midlife speed boost.
 
I've got an OC'd Q6700 (I bought the 6700 because I wanted a G0 and I wanted it now/etc) and 2x 8800Ultras in SLi and I'm trying to resist putting together a 45nm + 9600 system. I don't even play a wide variety of PC games much anymore (3 month addiction to an MMO here and there). The slightest amount of justification could push me over the edge.
 
ferr said:
I've got an OC'd Q6700 (I bought the 6700 because I wanted a G0 and I wanted it now/etc) and 2x 8800Ultras in SLi and I'm trying to resist putting together a 45nm + 9600 system. I don't even play a wide variety of PC games much anymore (3 month addiction to an MMO here and there). The slightest amount of justification could push me over the edge.
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It's always fun to dabble with new technology :p
 
jonneymendoza said:
at the end of the day if i want my system to last 3 years i need ddr3, pci 2.0 and nehalem socket mobo. once i have those 3 vital things im confident that my pc can survive 3 years playing the newest games at its highest settings by just upgrading the GPU.

DDR3 wont be replaced so quickly, pci 2.0 just came out and i doubt that it will be replaced before 3 years and of course the enw socket thats not even out yet will survive a good 3-4 years if not more!

how long did socket 775 last?
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DDR3 won't be replaced quickly but it's going to be very expensive for a good long while. With the release of systems that require it rather than ones that don't have to have it will cause production of it to rise. However, if the demand outstrips the supply, you're going to have prices spiking up.

PCI-e 2.0 probably won't be realized as useful until you go to upgrade to the system after this one. The only exception may be on the x1 and x4 slots but not on the x16 slots. They aren't even close to maxing out an x16 slot with even dual GPU cards at this time. In most cases, have an electrical x8 slot is enough for PCI-e video cards.

The socket for Nehalem will probably be around for a while but the chipsets won't allow you to upgrade to newer processors if Intel's prior examples can be relied upon. I dare you to put a Core2 based CPU in the earlier socket 775 boards and see what happens. It's not going to work. Upgrade path based on socket is a pipe dream.

Fharakin said:
So if I have a 775 mobo I with a p4 in it, I should wait for a few months to buy the new 45mm die? Couldn't be just as happy buying a 2 core since most apps aren't threaded for quads yet?

Software isn't pushing hardware like it used to......
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As I stated above, socket longevity is a useless thing. The socket may be the same but the supporting chipset isn't. Older chipsets don't usually work very well if at all with newer processors.

Gott said:
I wonder if prices of DDR3 will come down to what DDR2 is now for system memory in a relative short time frame.
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While DDR3 prices may drop some, I wouldn't expect them to get anywhere near DDR2 prices until DDR3 is close to EOL. The current prices on DDR2 are so low, that manufacturers are practically giving the stuff away. If you ever see that with DDR3, it won't be any time soon.


Most of the reasons I've seen in the thread for waiting don't make much sense. The first Nehalem board you get probably won't support newer processors 1 1/2 years down the line. Look at the number of socket 775 based chipsets and look at how many of them support all the processors. None of the first ones support the current 45nm processors. Yes, you can take the newest chipset and drop any 775 processor onto it, but that's the exact opposite of what we're talking about. When you setup up to a truly new processor, you're going to have to purchase a new motherboard with a new chipset for the most part. Besides that, things such as greed for newer technologies supported in the newer chipsets comes into play.

I found out long ago it's practically useless to futureproof your system. Things always change and many of them will be incompatible in some way with the older stuff. For the most part, I don't worry about it anymore. The new architecture is not right around the corner. It's more likely that while it will probably be available in less than a year, it sure as hell won't be affordable or necessarily ready for mainstream use. As stated before, it was several months after the Core2 line was released that we finally saw some decent motherboards for the platform. Even then, it was months after that before they became truly "affordable" in price. The early motherboards I believe were around $170-$200 and they had a tendency to be buggy and didn't perform very well. It took hardware revisions to the motherboards before they became decent and this was with the mainstream P965 chipset.

The absolute most I would wait on right now is the 45nm Core2's. Besides, it's not like all Core2 processors and motherboards are going to disappear the day Nehalem is released. They won't be the primary focus of Intel anymore but I would be surprised if Intel didn't release new Core2 based processors for at least 6 months after the launch of Nehalem. Look how long Netburst based processors kept being made after Core2 was released. It was a good long time.

Based on previous trends, I wouldn't expect Nehalem based systems to become truly affordable before the summer/fall 2009 timeframe.

 
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This guy speeks the truth. Those who always wait for next best will never have the current best. I waited on buying a 8800gtx for almost a year waiting for the better card to come out, and the damn thing is still the best. Affordable desktop Nehalem is at least 18 months away imo, get core 2 duo and have fun NOW.
 
Smoke you made the best post by far in this thread and i would be a fool to not agree with you 100% on the things you have said.

i dont think anyone can reply to that statement as to why i should wait for a nehelam.

i have made my decision to get a penthyn quad core system as soon as the funds are available on my account but it may not be for another 3/4 months though so i just have to wait and see what happens but i will got with a core 2 regardless and stick with it for another 3 years and hopefuly jump the gun on the nehalem's when the price will be right and it will have less /no issues whatsoever
 
SmokeRngs said:
Based on previous trends, I wouldn't expect Nehalem based systems to become truly affordable before the summer/fall 2009 timeframe.
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Excellent post, SR :) Your post really elucidates the situation. I had been thinking of waiting for Q1'09 to replace the computer in my sig with Nehalem, but now I think that sometime this summer will be a good time... it will be after the Intel price cuts in April, all of the 45nm chips should be out and reviewed, and most of nVidia's 9x00 series cards should be out, along with ATI's 4xxx series. A good time for purchasing a Nehalem computer will be in 2010.
 
This whole post should be bookmarked as when summer 09 comes this forum will be flooded with threads titled "Buy Nehalem now or wait for _____field coming in q4 or Wait for XXXNehalem revsion coming in q1 '10" haha the cycle goes on forever which is why you should buy now.Life is too short to wait for the next big thing.
 
yea true im gunna buy one as soon as the funds are ready and i will be going the q9450/9800gX2 route
 
who said i would sell it when the next true GPU comes out? i'l just save it for my bro to use or somthing
 
Ebay it worldwide I guarantee someone in Europe or Australia will buy whatever top notch card you sell at a fair price since they pay way more than U.S msrp.
 
yea exactly. neleham wont be flly ready for another 2 years(fixed the bugs and is affordable) so now is a good time to buy a quad or dual
 
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