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Patch staging can use more.
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yeah that works fine, in the past I have prepped the usb drives at my desk so all I have to do is plug them into the servers and boot up, configure an address, and its good to go.
GAG ME. It had better be like nothing I've ever used before, and having to manage from an browser window is just about as awful as it gets. I understand the benefits, but a fat client will always be my primary choice... it will ALWAYS be better. I've never seen a single web application beat a fat client at its own game, ever. Maybe you guys are just that desperate to stop relying on any Microsoft's products -- you best be careful.
Troll sense tingling. Even managing through the PowerCLI is better than the piece of shit client software VMWare tries to pass off to customers.
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There is no web app that out performs a fat client, period. That is an opinion, not an inciteful comment, and I'm sure many people feel the same way I do. I don't get your sentiment anyway... I mean if you believe they can't write a fat client software package worth using, what would make you believe they suddenly can write a better web app -- which should be more difficult to pull off?
Command line vs GUI is a completely different situation, so what you say is apples and oranges anyway and irrelevant. I happen to be a fan of headless servers, but a GUI is almost essential to do many tasks with virtual machines. Are you going to use one of your VM's consoles with PowerCLI?
Don't take my line about "you guys are just that desperate to stop relying on any Microsoft's products" out of context. I was razzing lopoetve who is a VMware employee and their obvious effort to stop relying on their biggest competitor's products. It wasn't all that serious. Everyone that knows me on here knows my heart bleeds for VMware. If I wanted to troll I'd start comparing my love for them to MAC fanboys
. How I love thee, Paul Maritz!defuseme2k
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I'll give it a try, I hope to be knocked out of my socks. Though, I think mythbusters busted the myth that it was possible
.There is no web app that out performs a fat client, period. That is an opinion, not an inciteful comment, and I'm sure many people feel the same way I do. I don't get your sentiment anyway... I mean if you believe they can't write a fat client software package worth using, what would make you believe they suddenly can write a better web app -- which should be more difficult to pull off?
Command line vs GUI is a completely different situation, so what you say is apples and oranges anyway and irrelevant. I happen to be a fan of headless servers, but a GUI is almost essential to do many tasks with virtual machines. Are you going to use one of your VM's consoles with PowerCLI?
Don't take my line about "you guys are just that desperate to stop relying on any Microsoft's products" out of context. I was razzing lopoetve who is a VMware employee and their obvious effort to stop relying on their biggest competitor's products. It wasn't all that serious. Everyone that knows me on here knows my heart bleeds for VMware. If I wanted to troll I'd start comparing my love for them to MAC fanboys
I have not even used the web app yet, so I reserve judgement. However, I still maintain that it can't be any worse (for us) than the fat client which has a high TCO (one of our primary metrics for measuring "performance") in both our production environment and in my home lab due to the simple requirement of a Windows OS for each engineer who needs access to the management software. Over time, we have been able to manage this more effectively, and have now transitioned to an in-house app that uses a PowerCLI backend, reducing the requirement to a single instance of Windows Server 2008 R2 (down from 7+ instances of W7/XP, one installed locally for each engineer). It's not that we are desperate to get away from Windows (but thanks for clarifying your comment), simply that this is really the only thing we even use Windows for anymore. Being able to eliminate Windows from the ecosystem completely (which is why I find a web app hopeful) would be another significant reduction in TCO for us, and one we look forward to. I understand that our situation may be unique though, so I probably overgeneralized.
Apologies for the trolling comment, and thanks for elaborating your stance.
Different users have different needs. However, I think a strong web app, even if it sacrifices some "performance" for accessability, has the potential to strongly improve the ecosystem for VMWare and their products, especially if it acompanies the fat client for those who need it.P.S. You can connect to the VMWare console with a standard VNC client, so CLI-only management of VMs is possible and probably more practical than you were aware.
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Amen, other than a couple of games, vsphere is the main reason I run Windows on my Macbook Air, although I prefer Parallels for it's superior performance tuning options.
Any chance we'll ever get a fat Mac client?
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I was aware but VNC is a GUI driven tool
which was the point I was making. I think we just misunderstood each other is all. I took initial offense to you calling me a troll, but I'm over it.You guys wrote in house software to manage your VMware environment? Damn, talk about commitment to getting off windows at your shop. Sounds pretty geeky, so I'm impressed. Though, I don't understand why you couldn't have all just RDP'd to the vCenter server when you needed to run the client if you didn't want to run it locally? I'm just curious.
The web client (note, this is a first step - not a final version of what it will be) is solid - really, give it a try. There are some things you can't do yet, but a great many that you can, and it's nice and compact and seems to run well on multiple browsers without complaing.
I just installed 5 on a Gigabyte 880GMA-USB3 with a 1090T and 16gb of ram. Onboard sata controller and realtec nic detected
However, no IOMMU since the chipset does not support it. Still a good board for those who do not need pass through.
Update:
Also have it working on a ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 with a x4 965 and 8gb of ecc memory.
Full IOMMU support! Passing through (onboard sb850 and lsi 9240 8i controller).
so you can go to configuration -> advanced settings
and see there passthrough? ive same asus board and it says its not supported...
Just upgraded my VCenter from 4.1 to 5, that went smoothly, made an acronis image of it before I did the upgrade as its a physical machine. Picked up a used PE 2900 as a second VSphere host, put 5 on it with a Perc 6i and three 2TB drives in raid 5, works well. In the midst of migrating my machines from my ESX 4.1 host to the 5 host so I can do a fresh install of 5, upgrade does not seem to be worth it. It appears they did drop quite a bit third party support for hardware with this releas, well at least from my perspective anyway, a few white boxes I have with SATA raid controllers are no longer supported, I can't get ESXi 5 on them at all.
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My migration is complete, I had a reverse lookup issue when installing vcenter but that's about it. The web client is a very nice start, hopefully it gets even better soon.
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Moved my lab to vSphere 5 on Friday. Had no issues upgrading vCenter and I reloaded my two white box hosts from scratch then configured them with Host Profiles.
Everything went very smoothly. Not ready to tell clients to switch over yet.
Everything went very smoothly. Not ready to tell clients to switch over yet.
I think I'm going to wait a little bit to do our production upgrade. 22 dual-Westmere Proliants. We waited on the 3.5 > 4.0 upgrade 4-5 months and I'm glad we did - lot of things got fixed. Hopefully I won't wait that long....
I'll have it up in a lab shortly.
I'll have it up in a lab shortly.
Even given where I work...
You'll NEVER see me argue about this point. You and Child of Wonder have the right approach.
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We dont have a timeline for upgrading our 25 production servers yet.
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Install VMware Player/Workstation on a machine. Create a new plain jane VM. Mount the install iso as the CD, insert USB stick to machine and connect it to guest. Reboot guest and point install to USB stick. When it is done, remove USB stick, power-down guest, and insert USB stick into system you want to run ESXi on.
Only caveat is that the system with Player/WS needs to support VT-x.
I had 4.1 on a 1GB USB stick, and I also installed 5 on a 1GB USB stick last night. I just ran out and picked up a mini USB stick (4GB Sandisk) and re-installed onto that. Not so much for extra GB space, but because of the smaller footprint, I don't have to worry about bumping the stick on the back of the computer. One of those mini HP v165's would be perfect.. they were on sale at Best Buy last week.. that's what I went to buy today but they were no longer on sale, so i ended up with the Sandisk (next shortest USB stick they carried).
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Yeah thought about that, think this is the road i'm going to go down. then just make an image of that usb drive to clone to the rest of them.
Technically, this is ~massively~ not supported.
You'll be duplicating some IDs that are coded to the install hardware. Very weird things can happen. Don't always, but they can.
Cloning of boot volumes is technically a big no-no. Although, I don't know off the top of my head if rapid provision is supposed to take care of that.
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Guess i won't be doing that then. Thanks for the heads up.
In the past there was a .dd file I could use WinIMAGE to write to a USB drive. Currently all our ESX hosts are using this image that was pulled directly from the ISO, no install/cloning was done.
Does ESXi 5 have a similar method?
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My 82579V is not recognized.
Excellent, thank you very much!
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How come the web client doesn't have a green icon next to VMs that are powered up?
Edit: I guess this is only for the left side panel, in the middle it does show the green icons.
Edit: I guess this is only for the left side panel, in the middle it does show the green icons.
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I typically wait at least 2 months, silently lurking in the shadows in the VMware Community Forums to see what issues others are having. They can be the guinea pigs.
Pentium-D 805 2.66GHz 64-bit, no VT-x support, 945G chipset
Realtek 8111B built-in, Realtek 8169-based add-on, Intel 82540-based add-on NIC.
Originally on 60-days 4.1 update 1 evaluation. Did a force-migrate. System message warning about missing hardware-virtualization. Completed the force-migrate. Reboot seems OK. Have not done any VM test as this is emergency test equipment.
Primary investigation is Realtek NIC, both shown on vSphere Client as available vmnic.
Other note : vSphere Client 4.1 and 5.0 co-exist together. Looks like it will detect ESXi version and bring up relevant vSphere client version.
Exception :
1. In the case where I put in two units of "Same brand same model" Realtek 8169-based add-on NICs into the system, only one NIC is recognized as vmnic. The other one is missing (not available as vmnic)
Summary : If you need assurance for multiple card scenario, it is best to have have mixture of 8168 and 8169 (so you have two). For more, probably broadcom and Intel NICs since they generally can be recognized by ESXi properly even with multiple cards of "same model" installed inside the host.
Realtek 8111B built-in, Realtek 8169-based add-on, Intel 82540-based add-on NIC.
Originally on 60-days 4.1 update 1 evaluation. Did a force-migrate. System message warning about missing hardware-virtualization. Completed the force-migrate. Reboot seems OK. Have not done any VM test as this is emergency test equipment.
Primary investigation is Realtek NIC, both shown on vSphere Client as available vmnic.
Other note : vSphere Client 4.1 and 5.0 co-exist together. Looks like it will detect ESXi version and bring up relevant vSphere client version.
Exception :
1. In the case where I put in two units of "Same brand same model" Realtek 8169-based add-on NICs into the system, only one NIC is recognized as vmnic. The other one is missing (not available as vmnic)
Summary : If you need assurance for multiple card scenario, it is best to have have mixture of 8168 and 8169 (so you have two). For more, probably broadcom and Intel NICs since they generally can be recognized by ESXi properly even with multiple cards of "same model" installed inside the host.
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Trying to load this on my old desktop which uses a Asus P5Q-E motherboard. Its based on the P45 chipset and uses Marvell 88E8056/88E8001 for the NIC's. When I try to load version 5.0 on it, it says it can't find any network adapters.
Anyone know how to get drivers for these NIC's?
Anyone know how to get drivers for these NIC's?
There's an unofficial NIC driver for 4.1 here:
http://www.vm-help.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2846
You may be able to get it working on 5.0 if you extract it from the oem.tgz and build your own custom one.
How do I got about building my own oem.tgz file? Im looking at some sources now and am pretty confused by the process. Any tips would be greatly appreciated on accomplishing this!
Yeah im thinking the same thing and stopping at my local Frys after work and getting a Intel card.