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Steve Ballmer says that Vista Service Pack 1 and Windows Server 2008 have been released to manufacturing today. No more betas and release candidates, Vista users around the world are rejoicing.

Microsoft has wrapped up development of two major products, Windows Server 2008 and the Service Pack 1 update to Windows Vista, CEO Steve Ballmer told financial analysts Monday. "Both products have released to manufacturing today, which is good news," Ballmer said.
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w00t!!! Will be nice to have done with the worst of the Vista haters complaints. I doubt SP1 will be good for much more then that though since if one has all the hotfixes in place, Vista runs pretty darned smoothly as it is.
 
I honestly can't think any issues I've had as of late that need attention, but I'll probably download it anyway.
 
I personally find Vista very nice as it is. If this Service Pack makes it better though...:eek::cool:
 
From the blog:

If Windows Update determines that the system has one of the drivers we know to be problematic, then Windows Update will not offer SP1.​

Do we know which drivers are problematic with SP1?
 
Thank the Lord, the howls of Vista bashing will finally end. Gosh, it's been a rough year.

Ah well, I guess it's only temporary. It'll be worse than ever with Windows 7, when Microsoft finally ditches all 32-bit computing, and moves to the rumored all-new microkernel architecture. Boy oh boy, I just can't wait for all the current XP clingons to start screaming about how no improvement was needed over Vista, how 32-bit still had tons of potential, there was nothing wrong with the NT kernel, and DX10 is all anyone ever needs for gaming. :eek:
 
The main reason why I switched back to XP was network performance. I was getting %50 throughput on reads from my linux based NAS.

Granted some older games ~1 year did not work, but big deal.

Reports that I read say networking has been fixed in SP1, I may just have to give vista another whirl...
 
no kidding, I am not a bleeding edge guy, but I am glad I made the move to vista last year. After HP released their universal Vista print driver I have not had a single issue, but hey I would have resisted vista as well if I was holding on to a bunch of 1990's shareware programs like alot of the people I know who bitched about vista
 
dandirk said:
The main reason why I switched back to XP was network performance. I was getting %50 throughput on reads from my linux based NAS.

Granted some older games ~1 year did not work, but big deal.

Reports that I read say networking has been fixed in SP1, I may just have to give vista another whirl...
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Yeah, the improvement in network performance is pretty big. It was fine before for general use like streaming, but even in SP1 RC you could see a difference in burning an ISO over the network.

Also, other technet subscribers... Did anyone else pull their product key for Server 2008 and see it has 1500 activations? I'm wondering if it's a typo and should be 15 like Vista Enterprise.
 
dandirk said:
The main reason why I switched back to XP was network performance. I was getting %50 throughput on reads from my linux based NAS.

Reports that I read say networking has been fixed in SP1, I may just have to give vista another whirl...
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That's odd, uploads from Vista machines have been the big problem most people with gigabit are having. I'm still been having mixed results with the SP1 RC. Having a gigabit network for years and then getting limited to 12.5mbps with Vista has pissed me off more than anything else Microsoft has done in a decade.
 
Romir said:
That's odd, uploads from Vista machines have been the big problem most people with gigabit are having. I'm still been having mixed results with the SP1 RC. Having a gigabit network for years and then getting limited to 12.5mbps with Vista has pissed me off more than anything else Microsoft has done in a decade.
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No problems here on SP1 RC refresh. Network speeds are blazing fast on both my 802.11n wireless and Gigabit ethernet.
 
I've been using 64 bit home premium since November and have had no problems with the OS at all. I'm glad i made the switch:D
 
InorganicMatter said:
Thank the Lord, the howls of Vista bashing will finally end. Gosh, it's been a rough year.

Ah well, I guess it's only temporary. It'll be worse than ever with Windows 7, when Microsoft finally ditches all 32-bit computing, and moves to the rumored all-new microkernel architecture. Boy oh boy, I just can't wait for all the current XP clingons to start screaming about how no improvement was needed over Vista, how 32-bit still had tons of potential, there was nothing wrong with the NT kernel, and DX10 is all anyone ever needs for gaming. :eek:
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Honestly, most XP users could really give a rats arse about Vista. All I care about is getting SP3 for XP. We don't even need it but it's nice to be able to incorporate it into a new bootable XP CD.

Vista "users" are such an easy target and we enjoy getting your panties in a bind. So you dumped a great OS (XP) for a new and problematic OS and you're out $200+. Can you make it any easier for us to tease you?
 
My network speeds are pretty much alright with vista after rc1. Though I question my hd performance...
 
ICOM said:
Vista "users" are such an easy target and we enjoy getting your panties in a bind. So you dumped a great OS (XP) for a new and problematic OS and you're out $200+. Can you make it any easier for us to tease you?
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17 replies for flame bait to be posted in a Vista thread. Probably a record in post numbers, but time-wise it's only been an hour so that's probably normal. Unsubscribing.
 
If it ain't broke then don't fix it. I have no Vista issues so I'm not sure I'm going to install this straight away. I'll see what the feedback is like first.
 
MID MARCH!?! What the hell. I want it NOW if it is final, not in WEEKS. How retarded.
 
defuseme2k said:
MID MARCH!?! What the hell. I want it NOW if it is final, not in WEEKS. How retarded.
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No its not.

As we update our customers to SP1, we want everyone to have a great install experience. We are going to stage our rollout of SP1 for current Windows Vista users to be approximately concurrent with the availability of Windows Vista SP1 on new PCs and in stores. There are a couple of reasons for this. Our beta testing identified an issue with a small set of device drivers. These drivers do not follow our guidelines for driver installation and as a result, some beta participants who were using Windows Vista and updated to Service Pack 1 reported issues with these devices. Because the issue was with the way the drivers were installed and not the drivers themselves, the solution was simply to reinstall the drivers. While this worked fine for our more technical beta testers, we want to deliver a better experience for customers as we make the update broadly available.

While we know that most customers who update from Windows Vista to SP1 will NOT be affected, our approach is to improve the experience for all our customers. To do this, we will begin making SP1 available through Windows Update in mid-March, giving us time to work with some of our hardware partners to make adjustments to the installation process for the affected drivers. As SP1 gets delivered through Windows Update, we will only offer it to PCs that we detect don't have any of the affected device drivers installed. We're taking the next month or so to continue our work of identifying as many of these devices as possible.
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Imagine the tons of people who would bitch even more because it 'broke' their install, when all they need to do is uninstall the driver before they install it, and reinstall after. There will already be a bunch of people complaining how it won't install on their vlite install.
 
Awsome.

I am going to be checking my Volume Licensing product download page every day. :D
 
I can understand not pushing it thru Windows Updates til March, but they could at least make it available for a manual download for those of us who don't mind dealing with the potential problems. Personally, I could care less if I hose my Vista install since it's no big deal to reload.
 
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spicey said:
If it ain't broke then don't fix it. I have no Vista issues so I'm not sure I'm going to install this straight away. I'll see what the feedback is like first.
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I agree, thats why we still use XP :)
Everything we need it to do it does. No reason to move to vista.
 
Vola said:
I can understand not pushing it thru Windows Updates til March, but they could at least make it available for a manual download for those of us who don't mind dealing with the potential problems. Personally, I could care less if I hose my Vista install since it's no big deal to reload.
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My thoughts exactly, If you really have to install it, SP1 RTM is already on torrent sites.
 
Good to hear, but I just took down my vista install. It sucked. Horrible gaming performance.

On the current system, I had random fps drops from 75fps to 0. (STALKER, Need for Speed etc). STALKER also had avg. fps of 40.

Once i switched to XP, I'm getting 90+ avg. fps in STALKER and no random fps drops in most games I tried.

Also a higher 3DMark06 score by about a 1000.

When there will be worthwhile DX10 games, I'll dual boot. Until then, no thanks.
 
Another fairly satisfied Vista user here. I hated Vista @ the start - had major issues getting it to even install right on my Opteron box, but as soon as I got my Intel bits it's been pretty smooth sailing ever since... Only real issue I have is the display wigging out (green screening I guess you could say, not crashes but might as well) in 3D due to a shitty gfx card BIOS (or whatever the hell it ended up being) - easy enough fix - underclocking the card below stock 500/1500. Ordinarily that'd tick me off, but this is now little more than a usable paperweight since I'm finally making the G9x (or other) jump asap - just been biding my time on grabbing a GT/GTS in the off chance that G100 comes soon (seems GX2 will come first, G100 late[r] in the year tho :() + I actually want to use step-up again.

Funnily enough..The biggest push for me going exclusively Vista when I put together this box was dual booting XP was a bitch. I installed both OS's countless times, changed SATA cable orientation, futzed around w/ that 3rd party Vista Boot manager program and so forth... To no avail, I still have a basically useless XP partition that I never boot into (well can't really nor do I want to chance fubaring my Vista install). After giving Vista a chance for a bit, once really annoying crap like the UAC prompts aren't all that bad.

Bring on SP1.
 
Stoly said:
My thoughts exactly, If you really have to install it, SP1 RTM is already on torrent sites.
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Yeah if you want to wipe your drive and do a complete re-install. I was hoping just the service pack was available via torrent.

I still may just decide to get the whole thing.

Oh.. and BTW.. the SP1 RC did help network issues quite a lot as well as other performance issues.
 
InorganicMatter said:
Thank the Lord, the howls of Vista bashing will finally end. Gosh, it's been a rough year.

Ah well, I guess it's only temporary. It'll be worse than ever with Windows 7, when Microsoft finally ditches all 32-bit computing, and moves to the rumored all-new microkernel architecture. Boy oh boy, I just can't wait for all the current XP clingons to start screaming about how no improvement was needed over Vista, how 32-bit still had tons of potential, there was nothing wrong with the NT kernel, and DX10 is all anyone ever needs for gaming. :eek:
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I can't wait for them to cry when they see that SP3 isn't going to give them DX10.
 
I'm also one of those not loving my Vista experience... Namely I have the following issues: dismal USB transfer rates, random pauses in music playback, odd issues with wireless network connectivity, on, and on, and.... well I guess you get the gist of it. Sorta makes me wonder if, or maybe "How", some of you use your computers?

I'd just like to point out that Microsoft gave me my retail copy of Vista Ultimate. And in retrospect I should have just ponied up for another copy of XP. DX10 simply doesn't live up to it's billing, and Microsoft chose to reduce the degree of control users have over the OS with Vista. A prime example of this is the "Network and Sharing Center", which I'm sure some of you think is easier to use. :rolleyes:

Now I was holding out for SP1, just to see if it really resolves ANY of my issues. I'm sick and tired of the current situation. So I guess that means I'll be forced to try the latest RC. I'm not waiting until "mid March".

Oh and if the RC hoses my install I have drive image, so it takes me about 30 minutes to recover... I've done service packs before.
 
Actually.. it looks like the "Vista SP1 RTM" that is onthe torrent sites is "what is to believed the RTM build" and is basically a slipstreamed version of the last released RC build.

So it may not even be the RTM build at all.
 
In a way I can understand them holding out on posting SP1 for manual installation. While it would allow people who know what they are doing to install it, it would also put it out there for people who just install what they are told to install to get it also. I could easily see somebody installing SP1 on a family members machine. That family member tells a friend running Vista that there is an update for Vista out there that helped their machine run better, and that friend goes and searches for the service pack and installs it. Or somebody might just hear about it by some means and then try to install it. Either way you will end up with people that don't know what they are doing trying to install it. I used Hijack This on a machine for somebody trying to remove something from startup. They told some other people about it and next I know I have people telling me they tried to run hijack this and want to know if all the stuff that pops up is bad and how they know what they can and can't remove. I've seen the same happen with anti-malware programs. None tech people start talking about what software they have for anti-malware (not sure why none tech people talk about that type of stuff but I guess they must) next thing you know they have about 12 different programs actively scanning and they can't figure out why their machine is slowing to a crawl trying to do anything.

Thus I myself think it is safe to assume that once it is posted on their site for manaul download that you are going to get more than just people that know what they are doing trying to download and install it.
 
Cannydog said:
I'm also one of those not loving my Vista experience... Namely I have the following issues: dismal USB transfer rates, random pauses in music playback, odd issues with wireless network connectivity, on, and on, and.... well I guess you get the gist of it. Sorta makes me wonder if, or maybe "How", some of you use your computers?

I'd just like to point out that Microsoft gave me my retail copy of Vista Ultimate. And in retrospect I should have just ponied up for another copy of XP. DX10 simply doesn't live up to it's billing, and Microsoft chose to reduce the degree of control users have over the OS with Vista. A prime example of this is the "Network and Sharing Center", which I'm sure some of you think is easier to use. :rolleyes:

Now I was holding out for SP1, just to see if it really resolves ANY of my issues. I'm sick and tired of the current situation. So I guess that means I'll be forced to try the latest RC. I'm not waiting until "mid March".

Oh and if the RC hoses my install I have drive image, so it takes me about 30 minutes to recover... I've done service packs before.
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Network and Sharing center is very easy to use and it provides more information that can be recognized faster. My laptop has had some weird wireless issues but for the most part it's pretty stable. I can say that I am extremely interested to see the potential of Vista with the final version of SP1.
 
MrMike said:
Yeah, the improvement in network performance is pretty big. It was fine before for general use like streaming, but even in SP1 RC you could see a difference in burning an ISO over the network.

Also, other technet subscribers... Did anyone else pull their product key for Server 2008 and see it has 1500 activations? I'm wondering if it's a typo and should be 15 like Vista Enterprise.
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It takes me 17 minutes to create an ISO with Vista now though versus 8 minutes with XP. That's the only problem I see left since installing SP1 RC.
 
Vista SP1, hmm..no thanks
I am staying away from Vista's slowing game performance compared to XP. Furthemore, I am *really* staying away from Vista's DX10 hideous game performance.
 
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