Vista Permission Issues - Can't rename folder in Program Files x86

ryan_975 said:
I think this is what he's referring to.

http://newsworldwide.wordpress.com/...rnment-backdoor-on-windows-operating-systems/

In which case, ZA is not going to do anything to stop it.
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ZA does stop it. The only Windows Process that is allowed to access the internet is Host Process for Windows; else my internet would not work. So unless Host Process for Windows.exe contains the back door, I'm protected.

I will try disabling ZoneAlarm from the startup just to see if it works, and I have already sent an email to ZoneAlarm support to see what they have to say.

Thanks to all who helped.
 
earnolmartin said:
ZA does stop it. The only Windows Process that is allowed to access the internet is Host Process for Windows; else my internet would not work. So unless Host Process for Windows.exe contains the back door, I'm protected.

I will try disabling ZoneAlarm from the startup just to see if it works, and I have already sent an email to ZoneAlarm support to see what they have to say.

Thanks to all who helped.
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Don't be so sure. Host Process for Windows is exactly what it sounds like. It's a host. There are processes that run under it and anything can hook to it. Look in your task manager process tab. You'll see several instances of svchost.exe, each of which has several services and processes running under it.
 
If I remember correctly, ZoneAlarm has block lists similar to Peerguardian. I know Peerguardian would stop the connections...

How can one tell? I have seen Peerguardian block some IPs heading to the DOD.... What kind of information is being sent, and why do we all sit here letting it happen?
 
If it works in safe mode then some program that loads when not in safe mode is the culprit. I would kill processes one by one, if that doesn't work, try uninstalling things one by one, starting with ZA.

P.S. if you believe everything you read on slashdot, you are quite a silly human.
 
earnolmartin said:
For example, if you trust Microsoft and any of their shit, you'll have the government spying on you:

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/07/22/1712252.shtml

With ZoneAlarm, I make sure Microsoft doesn't get any information from me. Your choice really. I would never trust Microsoft.
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You link to 2-year-old FUD that's disproved right in the FIRST COMMENT?

Please leave the forums and never return.
 
Appplications can "lock" files, then fail to unlock them, it's poor programming, even if the app is no longer running file handles are often not released. Try Rebooting, or just delete the crapppy apps or even vista itself in favor of something bettter.

Windows security is a hoax, it's mostly an annnoyance to legitimate users, even novice hackers can easily read any NTFS partition. Boot your machine with any Linux "live CD" and you can read/write/delete anything, even files with "protected" security atttributes.
 
Windows security is a hoax, it's mostly an annnoyance to legitimate users, even novice hackers can easily read any NTFS partition. Boot your machine with any Linux "live CD" and you can read/write/delete anything, even files with "protected" security atttributes.
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And you can do the same for any Linux partition. What's your point?
 
Azhar said:
http://www.nouvelordremondial.cc/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/its-a-conspiracy.jpg
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Yeah, so I guess the word conspiracy automatically disproves it?

Anyway, ZoneAlarm support doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on, but I still suspect it's them. My computer is relatively clean. I removed all the HP crap that came on my laptop by reformatting and starting fresh. Installed all the drivers, and the only security I have running is ZoneAlarm Extreme Security.

Still trying to find out what's causing this annoyance. I'll keep you updated. Killing processes will most likely be my next step.
 
reb00tin said:
Appplications can "lock" files, then fail to unlock them, it's poor programming, even if the app is no longer running file handles are often not released. Try Rebooting, or just delete the crapppy apps or even vista itself in favor of something bettter.

Windows security is a hoax, it's mostly an annnoyance to legitimate users, even novice hackers can easily read any NTFS partition. Boot your machine with any Linux "live CD" and you can read/write/delete anything, even files with "protected" security atttributes.
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Okay we learned that from a+, server security, and linux classes. Nothing new. But can you say the same if your files are encrypted?? Will a linux live cd bypass that? Even though most people dont encrypt.
 
Azhar said:
In your case? Yes, absolutely.
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Still not convinced. Fits perfectly into other conspiracies, and it's already known that ISPs have secret rooms where everything is recorded any way.

Back to the topic. I really don't want to uninstall ZoneAlarm. Seeing what their tech support can do for me.

ZoneAlarm is my favorite.
 
What in the world do you need ZoneAlarm for anyway? The Windows Firewall works great.
 
Arainach said:
What in the world do you need ZoneAlarm for anyway? The Windows Firewall works great.
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He thinks the windows firewall is communicating to the 'greys' in Redmond, and only Zone Alarm can save him (as if the government wouldn't simply coerce or bribe zone alarm if they were going through all that trouble to spy on his dog and horse porn...)
 
My Vista firewalll came pre-configured to allow MS and all its partners unconditional free accesss, without my knowledge or consent... Symantec and Hewlett Packard was included and a few others.

The strictest firewall I've ever used is NVIDIA's hardware-based ActiveArmor firewall, also known as NAM (Network Access Manager). It doesn't have any favorites, and if a windows system service does something unusual it will warn you and will stop it for you.

If you're reallly worried just use Ubuntu Linux, though its user interface and file manger really suck by comparison.

But I doubt that firewall has anything to do with problems renaming folders.
 
My Vista firewalll came pre-configured to allow MS and all its partners unconditional free accesss, without my knowledge or consent... Symantec and Hewlett Packard was included and a few others.
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That's flagrant bullshit.
 
Tin foil hat wearers aplenty in this thread! Makes for amusing read on a slow work day ;-)
 
jimmyb said:
Hardly. Many OEMs will preconfigure the firewall.
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So? If you know enough to care about something like this you'd just change the settings and if you don't know enough to care the OEM may have done you a favor any way.
 
So? The post I was replying to said the assertion was "flagrant bullshit". They were likely incorrect.
 
Is the OP seriously blaming this on vista, even though he said it was working in safe mode? :rolleyes:
 
no really... as soon as vista loaded the first time, it called home, activated the license, and started downloading 30mb of updates on a frigging modem while I was trying use the browser. Then symantec antivirus started downloading oodles of stuff in the background without even prompting. Then HP wanted to welcome me to my own computer, and other entities with cryptic names preset in widows scheduler to run permanently.
 
reb00tin said:
no really... as soon as vista loaded the first time, it called home, activated the license, and started downloading 30mb of updates on a frigging modem while I was trying use the browser. Then symantec antivirus started downloading oodles of stuff in the background without even prompting. Then HP wanted to welcome me to my own computer, and other entities with cryptic names preset in widows scheduler to run permanently.
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This is what's called Automatic Updates, it's really amazing how far we have come in the 15 years with computers. Your software was doing this because it was pre-installed on there by the manufacturer.

QUICK HURRY PUT YOUR TIN FOIL HAT BACK ON!! :eek:
 
Steve and Kyle needs to make a oft|OCP forum for special people.

Reb00tin, I don't reckon you know that you can control task schedules for just about everything that goes on in your pc, hmm?

God forbid Microsoft and Symantec release virus and critical update patches to your computer to prevent bad things from happening. If they didn't and you got infected or whatnot, I'm guessing you'd be screaming that Microsoft and Symantec did a piss poor job of securing your computer, right?

Since you're a modem user, you may want to invest in a drive imaging software so you can prevent all these updates next time you reinstall your computer.
 
yeah I know about the scheduler, I wrote windows software for 9 yrs. You never know what's gonna load on a new machine, it's my machine so I get to decide who uses my bandwidth, I deleted symantec right away, it took forever to uninstall itself, a couple of months later I deleted vista's partition too, that took about 5 seconds.
 
reb00tin said:
yeah I know about the scheduler, I wrote windows software for 9 yrs. You never know what's gonna load on a new machine, it's my machine so I get to decide who uses my bandwidth, I deleted symantec right away, it took forever to uninstall itself, a couple of months later I deleted vista's partition too, that took about 5 seconds.
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And that's Microsoft's or specifically Vista's fault how? Crap OEM Inc loads a bunch of their own crap on a computer that slows it way down, makes random unwanted calls home and you're blaming the base OS?

And what does writing Windows software for any length of time have to do with this? Just throwing that out there to make yourself look more credible? Guess what, it didn't work.
 
reb00tin said:
yeah I know about the scheduler, I wrote windows software for 9 yrs. You never know what's gonna load on a new machine, it's my machine so I get to decide who uses my bandwidth, I deleted symantec right away, it took forever to uninstall itself, a couple of months later I deleted vista's partition too, that took about 5 seconds.
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i wrote hello world C++ in the 9th grade...

basic before that

i've been writing windows apps for.... 10 years now....
 
goodie for you. Theres really no reason to even do this. Delete the folder, copy the contents of the disk to somewhere sensible (like desktop) and run it from there.

Did you try it with UAC on? Turning UAC off can prevent it from elevating in some instances. But Im sure a super duper tin foil hat wearer like you already knew that.

symantec's shit is easy to remove. Stop the service, kill the processes, and delete the folder. Then move on.
 
long thread and i'm sure i'm too late

but as a public service announcement i would recommend unlocker

i hate excess software on my system but damn sometimes i really would hate not to have this gem

one time i made a folder on my desktop and renamed it to blank characters going for a clean look (alt+255). little did i know that some glitch stopped me from deleting/renaming the folder.

when i tried to rename and was frustrated i typed in a bunch of random characters and it renamed as such but vista decided to hide the name underneath the blank characters (only the system knew what the hell i had named it).

in order to delete the folder through dos commands i needed the exact name which refused to show up and god only knew what i had randomly named it. unlocker solved all my probs and now that vampire folder is gone forever!!!

cliffs:
- download unlocker!
- don't use alt+255 on folders!!

edit: not sure if unlocker supports x64 yet. it was said to be soon according to the developer
 
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earnolmartin said:
Everything. ZoneAlarm is the best.
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earnolmartin said:
Yeah, so I guess the word conspiracy automatically disproves it?
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I'm running wireshark and it doesn't show up there. Netstat (-anb, the -b thing is new to vista and really helpful), doesn't show any connections of the sort.

I call BS.

earnolmartin said:
Anyway, ZoneAlarm support doesn't seem to have a clue what's going on, but I still suspect it's them. My computer is relatively clean. I removed all the HP crap that came on my laptop by reformatting and starting fresh. Installed all the drivers, and the only security I have running is ZoneAlarm Extreme Security.

Still trying to find out what's causing this annoyance. I'll keep you updated. Killing processes will most likely be my next step.
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you cant kill those processes. Sometimes it'l let you think you have, but you havn't.
 
Wow is this guy paranoid or what? Why not remove ZA just to make sure that it's the software causing problem? On a side not I think zone alarm is crap. I throw it right up there with every Norton product ever made...minus Ghost. It tries to take over everything and in my opinon does nothing but take up resources.

I prefer a hardware firewall but when your mobile the windows firewall works fine.
 
You can either use Unlocker like a couple posts said before or Boot into a Pe environment Google Bart's PE loader. It works great...I had to do this a couple weeks ago due to a crash of my Even services log...kinda odd but it worked!
 
I was working on my Vista computer and yesterday I could delete files on my external 1tb drive connected via eSATA. But today, I have the permissions grayed out and I can't even delete the files anymore. This is ridiculous.
 
It doesn't sound like this is the case here, but I had a similar issue when I was dual-booting XP/Vista and couldn't delete a number of folders in the Vista install (Program Files being one of them), even as an Admin. I ended up having to disable simple file sharing so I could see the security tab, and then reset the perms on all of the folders.
 
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