Yes. See my edit as wellunbreakable98 said:Thanks for repling, so this is basically what you see on yours?
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Yes. See my edit as wellunbreakable98 said:Thanks for repling, so this is basically what you see on yours?
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slacK said:Yes, and while the effect is more pronounced (not obvious because the focus is a bit off), that is what it looks like.
The pictures I took were far worse because I was in super-macro; the lens was literally on the screen. To those who were freaked out because of those 2001FP pics, the VP201 looks exactly the same. Those images, again, were likely taken from VERY close range. Even now looking at the images I took I still can't believe they turned out so bad.. because I look right back and the monitor and the effect shown in the pictures is not even noticeable. If you recall, the pictures looked like the screen had "blocky" or square pixels. My pics turned out exactly the same, yet the screen at regular viewing distance bares no resemblance.
I hope that puts a few of you at ease.
lol, you are in the exact same position I was about one week ago. In fact, I started a topic that closely resembles your post a while back. A good source for first-hand info about the 213T would be BillR because he has been using this monitor for somewhere around two months I believe. From what I've gathered, he highly recommends it. As far as image quality between the VP201 and 213T I can't really help you, being that I've only seen the 213T at Best Buy while flashing it's now burned-in yellow advertisement. What I have heard is that the 213T reporduces color more accurately and, therefore, is quite useful for photo work - so if that's your thing.. you may want to look into the Samsung.unbreakable98 said:I'm still debating about this monitor, i'm glad this is a "normal" effect of this monitor. I do not plan to game on it since i have a crt for that. My primary use will be "general" stuff, email, web browser, i.e. Also some photo editing, nothing professional just some personal stuff.
I'm looking at the Samsung 213T but it's a few hundred more dollars here in Canada where i am anyway. Still not sure whether it is worth the extra money. I guess it's really a matter of can i get used to the effect. I have about 10 more days before the deadline to return it has past.
Any thoughts on the 213t?
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Yep.unbreakable98 said:Is this still the same effect?
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Did nothing.spark said:To the people who are seeing the screen door or faint white/grey horizontal lines:
Try selecting "use lower refresh for high resolution displays" in the GFX card menus. The ATI drivers have it. Unsure about Nvidia. It reduces it by a great deal.
askimo said:Still looking some answers to my backlight problems. I did call Viewsonic directly and they said this is normal, but I don't think so. Actually the problem is getting even worst because some light shadows appear across the center of the panel. Definitely I will return this monitor.
Somebody knows if the Benq 20" use the same panel?
Traktor said:I recently got my VP201b and its almost fantastic. The brightness and colours are great and the screen door or whatever does not bother me at all. Another thing does though: I find that when i put on a blank black screen saver and turn of room light, the screen is not homogenously black. Both the upper left and right corner are brighter than the rest of the screen. This is ofcourse terribly annoying when playing dark games. Askimo describes the same problem. I have attached a picture from my cell phone, bad quality but it shows the bright corners as they are.
Is it normal or is it just my screen?
Cheers
Traktor said:I recently got my VP201b and its almost fantastic. The brightness and colours are great and the screen door or whatever does not bother me at all. Another thing does though: I find that when i put on a blank black screen saver and turn of room light, the screen is not homogenously black. Both the upper left and right corner are brighter than the rest of the screen. This is ofcourse terribly annoying when playing dark games. Askimo describes the same problem. I have attached a picture from my cell phone, bad quality but it shows the bright corners as they are.
Is it normal or is it just my screen?
Cheers
Well, I've gamed, browsed forums, watched anime and let it render a GPU intensive screensaver for over 8 hours and didn't notice anything like that.Traktor said:Thanks for the responses!
I find that the problem is worst when the screen has been on for several hours. I suspect that the phenomenon is correlated to the heating of the screen (my screen gets hot mainly on the upper edge).
When the screen is turned on after having been off for some hours (cool), I also only find smaller patches of backlight (dime size).
Have you checked your screens when they have been on for some hours?
Traktor said:Thanks for the responses!
I find that the problem is worst when the screen has been on for several hours. I suspect that the phenomenon is correlated to the heating of the screen (my screen gets hot mainly on the upper edge).
When the screen is turned on after having been off for some hours (cool), I also only find smaller patches of backlight (dime size).
Have you checked your screens when they have been on for some hours?
poopman said:Here is what appears to be the forumer concensus based on what is most important:
Gaming - VP201(B or S) or the Dell 2001FP, though the viewsonic seems to be the better of the two.
Graphics/image quality - Samsung 213T
Size - HP f2304 23" 16ms response (though it's the same price as 2 VP201's
If you want the best of all worlds, your pretty fucked as LCD technology is good right now, but not perfected as every monitor has to sacrafice something to achieve higher performance in certain area's.
Make your decisions accordingly and either way I'm sure you'll be happy. I spend most of my time gaming so I went with the VP201B. That's my reccomendation comming from a gamer.
-poops
swinchen said:Wow... a long post!
I am basically driving myself mad. Last night I went to bed with the opinion "Darn straight! I am getting the VP201. It has a newer technology panel, tighter dot pitch... fast response time, and is cheaper than the 213T"
Now I am all wish-washy again. With such a huge amount of money involved I really don't want to make the wrong decision.
Does anyone know if the VP201 is a 24-bit panel (8-bit per subpixel)?
So far here is what the 213T has going for it:
+ I have seen it at Circuit City and it blew me away. Wow what a monitor!
+ I haven't heard anyone report screen door effect
+ I guess picture quality is basically unrivaled.
+ Has an extra 1.2" of screen over the VP201.
+ I guess the backlight is very uniform.
+ It is by samsung and they ahve a good reputation.
- Would cost a little over $100 more
- Slower response time. Seeing I am not a serious gamer (less than 4 hours a week) this isnt a big deal I guess.
- It is by samsung and I sort of want to boycott them because of the 193P (no linux support)
This is what the VP201 has going for it:
+ Lots of good reviews saying it one of, if not the, best LCD on the market right now.
+ It is by viewsonic and doesn't use a samsung panel (see boycott post above) Plus viewsonic has a very good reputation.
+ it is cheaper
+ it uses S-IPS panel which is a newer technology than the panel in the 213T
+ A lot of reviews and owners have gotten a VP201 without any dead pixels
+ Tighter dot pitch.
+ USB Ports
+ Better ergonomics (height and pivot work better from reviews)
- Screen door effect seems like a more common problem?
- Some users have had trouble with the backlight.
- 11% smaller screen area.
CRAZY!!! I am going crazy!!! I look up through the list and they all almost cancel each other out. I wish I could use them side by side. I really don't want to order one and send it back because I am not happy with it (unfair ro retailer)
Heck I have even considered giving up on the idea of an LCD and just go buy a $100 17" CRT from staples. muahahaha!
I am slowly going crazy, 5 4 3 2 1 switch! HELP ME!!! ARG....... groans of despair..... twitching.... foaming at the mouth.... panic.... waking up in puddle of own saliva.
firey-eyez said:this guy is thinking exactly what i am..last night i went to sleep thinking to myself the 213T is the one i want. today i was thinking more towards the viewsonic..but i cant decide anymore. i too, am going crazy over the decision because it is a big one that i cant afford to mess up
sandman78 said:I did the EXACT same thing. I was trying to decide for weeks. I was ordering other stuff too, but I was thinking about the monitor the most. I would even "add to cart", and get right up to "submit order", and then back down. Finally, I decided to order, but that didn't stop the uncertainty. But I had my lcd shipped next day air (which I now admit after seeing others have done it), and I'm glad I did, because as soon as my monitor arrived, and I got to see it and use it, everything was great .
Good luck shopping. (to everyone still deciding)
swinchen said:Ok, here is a few questions sandman:
1) What factors made you decide in favor of the VP201?
2) Do you have any uncertainty at this point? or are you positive that you made the correct decision?
adamlee21 said:Unfortunately, after using it for 2 days, i found 3 dead pixels: one at top right-hand corner, one in the middle, and one down at bottom right-hand corner.
johnnyboo said:Hello there, its my first post on this board & I have really enjoyed what I have read so far,
I to purchased the vp201 about 2 weeks ago upgrading from a samsung 912n, & all I can
say is wow! this monitor is absolutely incredible. As Graphic Designer for the past 14 years
working on a ton of different monitors Crt's, Lcd's ETC. I must say this is the cats meow!
I know the colour is not 100% accurate but I can live with that, but what I really like is the rotating screen as its axcellent for presentation & just awesome for web browsing. I don't play alot of games but the ones that I have tried Doom 3 of course, Call of Duty, Far Cry & Painkiller have been nothing short of jawdropping & I haven't experienced any ghost imaging at all. When I bought this monitor it was setup directly beside a Samsung 213T & the first thing I noticed was how much better picture the vp201 had & for and inch & half difference and 450 dollars it made my decision much easier., in fact out of all the LCD's that were on display which included Samsung, BenQ, Hp with about 30 in total the vp201's colour & clarity stood oout the most by far. I was in freaking Heaven when I saw it, & don't have any regrets about the purchase whats so ever. GamePc has an excellent article on this monitor & they do state that it could very well be the best LCD monitor ever. Cheers & have fun with it.
firey-eyez said:er did you just say that the VP201B has better picture quality than the 213T?? every review ive read has said that the 213T delivers better picture quality. interesting news..welcome
For brightness & vivid colour yes......I spent about 2 hours carefuuly playing with both & the VP201b wins hands down IMO.