True, but that business package is at lease $60 more than i'm paying now.
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Verizon CTO Sees Eventual Move to Metered Broadband
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True, but that business package is at lease $60 more than i'm paying now.
Maybe we need to have rollever GBs that don't expire
Heh. Maybe make it like the dial up BBS days. Log on once a day for a week to bank connection time and download bytes, then camp on the line all weekend to download the latest uber FPS demo.
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Can anyone say indoctrination? Yes its happening right now with our children.
Parents need to seriously rein in their children, they need to concern themselves with what their children are learning. Just because it was learned in School or with a book doesn't make it good.
Parents need to seriously rein in their children, they need to concern themselves with what their children are learning. Just because it was learned in School or with a book doesn't make it good.
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The thing that pisses me off with all of this, especially with soft caps that we have right now is, how are people supposed to even know how much they've downloaded, or how close to the cap they are, without any information about it? If they want to meter (which would suck balls, since that would be a REGRESSION), then the ISPs should give you an email daily with the amount of bandwidth you've used, and how much you have left according to them. And they should also provide a utility, free of charge, that lets you keep track of it, so you can compare it to what they claim you have used just to be sure they aren't ripping you off.
I wonder if I'm going to reach my "soft cap" this month with Comcast.. considering all the Direct2Drive $5 deals and the Left4Dead deal on Steam... I've had to have downloaded over 120GB worth of stuff in the last 2 weeks right there!
I wonder if I'm going to reach my "soft cap" this month with Comcast.. considering all the Direct2Drive $5 deals and the Left4Dead deal on Steam... I've had to have downloaded over 120GB worth of stuff in the last 2 weeks right there!
Strange, Comcast's packages start at $59.95 usually and go up to $89.95 for their fastest service. With BT it was only a few pounds more month.
The plan i have is 15 down 8 up. i pay $30 a month. 90 is 60 more
Ron Mexico,
I'm not saying your wrong, but when did they get "BILLIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT"?
Again, I'm more curious than anything what that was for if your statement is legitimate. If your just making it up, then well I guess making sh!t up is par for the course on the internet, Fox News, CNN and whatever other sources of information we have.
I'm not saying your wrong, but when did they get "BILLIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT"?
Again, I'm more curious than anything what that was for if your statement is legitimate. If your just making it up, then well I guess making sh!t up is par for the course on the internet, Fox News, CNN and whatever other sources of information we have.
The thing that pisses me off with all of this, especially with soft caps that we have right now is, how are people supposed to even know how much they've downloaded, or how close to the cap they are, without any information about it? If they want to meter (which would suck balls, since that would be a REGRESSION), then the ISPs should give you an email daily with the amount of bandwidth you've used, and how much you have left according to them. And they should also provide a utility, free of charge, that lets you keep track of it, so you can compare it to what they claim you have used just to be sure they aren't ripping you off.
I wonder if I'm going to reach my "soft cap" this month with Comcast.. considering all the Direct2Drive $5 deals and the Left4Dead deal on Steam... I've had to have downloaded over 120GB worth of stuff in the last 2 weeks right there!
They should put a meter on the side of your house like electric has lol
Sounds fair to me. Personally I would rather pay a higher monthly rate than pay per-GB, I just don't like feeling as if I'm "on the clock".
Man, you have a great deal then, never gotten speeds like that for that cheap. Either way, have to pay to play (or work, and then it's a write off)
You have to get them to do what you want, because they want to do it. Can't get stuff for free, but cheaper is always better.
Yeah, I tried with comcast. Managed to get 16/6 internet, 3 HD DVRs and every TV package for $240 a month, that's the best I could do.
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I will tell you this....I will simply just turn off the internet services and learn how to live without internet.
I am tired of big business and big government. I am tired of paying more taxes for the US government. I am very disappointed in my American brothers and sisters that have chosen to vote in corrupt politicians that will ultimately destroy our country.
Rant over...
I am tired of big business and big government. I am tired of paying more taxes for the US government. I am very disappointed in my American brothers and sisters that have chosen to vote in corrupt politicians that will ultimately destroy our country.
Rant over...
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Big government who only cares about its self and its own expansion. Big corporations that only care about themselves and their own expansion.
When you have both of those conditions met you little guys are fucked.
When you have both of those conditions met you little guys are fucked.
Won't someone please think of the children.
Wait....wrong subject.
I say we just let the interweb self implode and go back to 1996 where we were outside playing instead of on the computer all the time. Where we got porn from the corner gas station instead of online.
Where we either called up the person or talked to them face to face instead of IM or TXT msg.
Those were the days, those were simpler times, and I'm only 28
Not to be rude, but if you had spent just 2 minutes Googling for it, you'd find it right away. It is a very commonly known situation that pissed everyone off and is always just ignored by the telcos and government as though it never happened. Conspiracies aren't always false
--OT--
Socratic questioning begins:
1) When did your federal taxes go up?
2) When did government ever get smaller?
3) Who's corrupt? (hint -- having a different opinion does not make the other person corrupt)
All this talk about the destruction of our country is getting stale. I understand your frustration -- the last 8 years in the U.S. were hell. But the ship of state will go on.
-- /OT --
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Verizons Chief Technology Officer told a conference that he believes broadband metering is inevitable. Lovely, another huge internet service provider that believes in throttling internet traffic.
ok, that verizon fella just made the list
Won't someone please think of the children.
Wait....wrong subject.
I say we just let the interweb self implode and go back to 1996 where we were outside playing instead of on the computer all the time. Where we got porn from the corner gas station instead of online.
Where we either called up the person or talked to them face to face instead of IM or TXT msg.
Those were the days, those were simpler times, and I'm only 28
I really hope you are being ironic. If not, you have an early case of dementia or Alzheimer's.
The reason that I don't think that metering will work is because we as users do not always know what we are getting with our internet bandwidth.
What i mean is, when we pay our electric bill we are paying for 1 single item, the amount of electricity used. If I want to pay a lower bill I know what in my house uses electricity, i can can the amount that i use, however my lifestyle will define this bill.
When we pay a cell phone bill we know exactly what we are getting 1000 minutes and 400 text messages. I have to use that time up and there is no one else that can cause me to take my minute up.
However with internet bandwidth it is different. Just doing a quick google search it appears that 95% of all internet traffic is spam email or online spam ads. So If I am giong to pay $$$ for a given amount of bandwidth that i use, there sure as hell better not be any ads or spam on any of the pages that i go to. I do not want to pay for this junk. I want all my allocated bandwidth to go towards online streaming, web browsing, TF2, other such things that I use, not junk that is bundled in with the websites and emails.
What i mean is, when we pay our electric bill we are paying for 1 single item, the amount of electricity used. If I want to pay a lower bill I know what in my house uses electricity, i can can the amount that i use, however my lifestyle will define this bill.
When we pay a cell phone bill we know exactly what we are getting 1000 minutes and 400 text messages. I have to use that time up and there is no one else that can cause me to take my minute up.
However with internet bandwidth it is different. Just doing a quick google search it appears that 95% of all internet traffic is spam email or online spam ads. So If I am giong to pay $$$ for a given amount of bandwidth that i use, there sure as hell better not be any ads or spam on any of the pages that i go to. I do not want to pay for this junk. I want all my allocated bandwidth to go towards online streaming, web browsing, TF2, other such things that I use, not junk that is bundled in with the websites and emails.
unless you are just checking emails or browsing low bandwidth sites, metered internet will eventually make everyone's bill go up
Canadians learn from the best, they just implement it faster. Years ago when the internet was at its infancy the companies promised us the world to get us to sign up, full screen size nonpixilated streaming of shows,movies and whatnot. Here we are watching Youtube size screens. We still have Shaw and the rest advertising, Internet Extreme with Power Boost for $10.00 more a month, but they fail to tell us they do DPI (Deep Packet Inspection) so they can censor where we get our packets from, then throttle us down. You never see or hear them talk about that in their ads.
High Speed Internet + Internet Extreme + Power Boost = DPI + Throttle + $53.00. and UpTo 3megs down and 1 meg up as long as we don't throttle you. I really like how they cover their asses by the UpTo in their marketing.
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Maybe in his greedy little corporate world.
I say kiss my ass.
I say kiss my ass.
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Let's not forget, this is the same company that charges $60 a month for 5GB of Aircard service.
We need legislation to cap CEO salaries (and all forms of bonuses) based on the pay of their employees. When it'll cost you 50 million to get another million for yourself, maybe you'll think to reinvest that money back in to infrastructure or start another business. Corporate greed will do irreversible damage to the USA.
the day i get a bill in the mail telling me i went over my GB for that moth is the day i just say the hell whit it and move to some place they don't. i have like 20 stream games that i download every time i reformat i buy a few games form d2d i get netflix movies and my gf watches youtube all day il hate to see how many gb i ues but i bet it be over the basic plan and they what to sell me the higher one for $50 more a moth. only way il take it is if they offer like a 20mb down and you just pick how big of a cap you what like basic is 100gb for $20 med is 200bg for $40 high is 50 for 500gb and for say $70 you get unlimited
Kristoff, I did spend 3-4 minutes googling. I didn't see anything. Hence the question. I was looking to become educated on the subject, because GENERALLY, there are more smart people posting on this site than most sites. However, for every good post there is another FUD post. BTW 50/50 is still a pretty good ratio for an internet forum, lol.
I am a skeptical person by nature. Which is why I question a post,stated as fact, that I wasn't aware of. In any case, thank you for dismissing my question.
I'm certain I could refine my search if I knew what the money was provided for. The only possible thing I can think of would be for improving infrastructure to rural areas.
I am a skeptical person by nature. Which is why I question a post,stated as fact, that I wasn't aware of. In any case, thank you for dismissing my question.
I'm certain I could refine my search if I knew what the money was provided for. The only possible thing I can think of would be for improving infrastructure to rural areas.
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First link that came up with the google search: telephone companies got billions of dollars network
http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandcommentsrelease.htm
Read this and learn: Very eloquently put:
Kill the P2P cannard already
"...managing network traffic is an important way to prevent high-bandwidth applications such as P2P sharing from slowing traffic for all users..."
I call shenanigans on that statement. Can we kill it already.
If a user has a 1Mb down .75Mb up connection to the net and they are only running a bit torrent client it may consume the entire 1/.75 connection. It's not going to magically eat all the bandwidth on the internet, it's not even going to consume all the bandwidth of their ISP. No 'traffic shaping' is required.
If I have a 1Mb connection and you have a 1Mb connection the fact that I'm actually using my entire connection _only_ effects you if our ISP only has 1Mb that it's reselling. That's the rub with P2P and other high bandwidth applications. Before the advent of P2P and HD video streaming users rarely used their entire allotment of bandwidth and the few times they did was relatively short lived. Overselling at the rate of 1000 to 1 or 10000 to 1 is a thing of the past if people actually get to use the bandwidth they are paying for.
If the ISP has 100 Mb of capacity and their users are using all of that bandwidth, if they go out and acquire another 100 Mb of bandwidth, some evil P2P application isn't going to somehow gobble it all up. If the user still has a 1 Mb / .75 Mb connection that's the most bandwidth they will consume.
So please, kill that meme already. The problem isn't evil P2P applications, it's ISP's overselling their network. They want the ability to throttle or otherwise 'network manage' your connection so that you only use 0.1 Mb of the 1.0 Mb connection you are paying for. In that way they can continue to oversell their network without actually having to invest in improving their capacity.
If they are going to meter my connection, then they need to impliment better spam blocking technologies and pop up blocking on their end to prevent it from coming my way.
Water, and Electricity and gas are all willingly used. You make a decision on using it and you use it. Getting 400 pop ups is not, I have no control over that and thus my ISP shouldn't charge me for that content. Even if you have popup blockers, their is data sent to you so your popup blocker can know to block the data.
And how can be be sure of the data that we have actually used vs what the ISP says we used. Are they going to count all the data from some script kiddies pinging the shit out of 1 IP address? The data is sent to your modem which is always on so you get charged for that data even though your PC is off.
Water, and Electricity and gas are all willingly used. You make a decision on using it and you use it. Getting 400 pop ups is not, I have no control over that and thus my ISP shouldn't charge me for that content. Even if you have popup blockers, their is data sent to you so your popup blocker can know to block the data.
And how can be be sure of the data that we have actually used vs what the ISP says we used. Are they going to count all the data from some script kiddies pinging the shit out of 1 IP address? The data is sent to your modem which is always on so you get charged for that data even though your PC is off.
Yes. This needs to be said more.
Kristoff, thanks. I went back and re-read earlier posts in the thread. In my head I was thinking this is a COMCAST thread. Which is where I was confused that they received billions from the gov't for this stuff already (it may happen soon, but as of yet I don't believe they have received anything). The article you linked refers to the Teleco's. That's when I realized the word "they" referred to earlier in the thread was referring the AT&T, Verizon, etc., rather than Comast.
My bad. I told you I use this site enlightenment.
My bad. I told you I use this site enlightenment.
If they are going to meter their pipes, they better do a better job securing them. It's not hard to have unlocked modems, though the cable companies do not want you to know this.
I won't spell out how to do it, but it's a serious flaw within the current way of doing things. The wrong customers will be charged for bandwidth violations and there is little any of these cable companies can do about it. Just feel bad for the people getting screwed that have no way of defending themselves.
I won't spell out how to do it, but it's a serious flaw within the current way of doing things. The wrong customers will be charged for bandwidth violations and there is little any of these cable companies can do about it. Just feel bad for the people getting screwed that have no way of defending themselves.