Verizon CTO Sees Eventual Move to Metered Broadband

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  1. HardOCP News

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    Verizon’s Chief Technology Officer told a conference that he believes broadband metering is inevitable. Lovely, another huge internet service provider that believes in throttling internet traffic. :(

     
  2. k1pp3r

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    Basicly he is saying your going to pay for Verizon's expansion, it won't come out of their pockets.

    Bullshit
     
  3. wtsamatta

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    Such a con job.Unfortunately we'll eventually have no choice but to buy it.
     
  4. Exavior

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    I don't see why either should be needed. If they are going to sell you up to x amount of bandwidth then they should provide you with X amount of bandwidth.

    It isn't like the entire chunk of money they make from internet services goes into the current upkeep, they can take the money they make, put it back into the bussiness to upgrade stuff and they are done.
     
  5. JUSTJOEL73

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    Metered broadband is going to unfairly penalize torrent users who are clogging up our current crappy resources. Oh wait, may that is fair.
     
  6. SirViro

    SirViro [H]ard|Gawd

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    But what about those poor executives? They need to be making millions of dollars every year! Think of their lifestyle they need to maintain!
     
  7. darkpaw

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    While I have no issue with people that torrent several hundred of GB of data a month getting hit by a cap, it also will impact people like me that like to watch movies from netflix and download a lot of games from Steam and ISOs from TechNet.

    I can deal with a reasonable cap, something like the softcaps in the 250GB range Comcast has now. Those idiots that were proposing 40GB caps with huge overages though, that just can't happen. That will kill any type of legitamite streaming. I really have no problem with people that use an obscene amount of bandwidth needing to pay more, but it also needs to be reasonably priced, not like $1-2/GB or something.
     
  8. Syndicated_Death

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    s'ok they will change to this method and still say they don't have enough bandwidth. at which point you might count me out of this internet thing. I'm already paying twice what I perceive the value my internet to be.
     
  9. delahaya

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    Let's face it, some sort of cap is okay - like a 300 gb or such that would only hit the absolute highest users. Makes sense. Really fine, gradiations of metering would kill the internet, though.
     
  10. SilverSliver

    SilverSliver Beat It To Deformation

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    Some sort of cap based on current "normal" usage levels is one thing. How about when everyone is wanting to stream HD content to their TV's?
     
  11. k1pp3r

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    One day we will get there, but if Verizon starts charging us by the Bite, that will set us back 15 years
     
  12. Dev1ant

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    Well, just hope Verizon doesn't pull a Canadian move. Increase speeds by 2Mbps for "free", and cut the already limited 100GB bandwidth -> 65GB. Bandwidth cuts across the board.
     
  13. BloodyIron

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    BloodyIron sees an eventual increase in punches to the faces of CTO's.
     
  14. heatlesssun

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    This will KILL cloud computing.
     
  15. grizzed

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    they can throttle broadband - and they can turn off wifi on my cell phone .... but they won't turn off text message on my phone

    they are pretty good at sending work to overseas- and whining about h1b
     
  16. MartinX

    MartinX One Hour Martinizing While You Wait

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    I honestly don't see too much of a problem with internet being paid for like any other utility, I mean electricity is metred, gas is metred, water is metred (in some places), phone time etc.

    My only issue is that I know they'll charge way too much :p
     
  17. k1pp3r

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    This will only affect residential, not business most likely
     
  18. Menelmarar

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    Hilarious, so your going to tell us how much it costs for a gigantic ISP to fund upkeep, service calls, and pay off debt they may have from previous expansions?
     
  19. heatlesssun

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    You're making an artificial distinction. Tons of business is done at the home and services like On Live are cloud based entertainment.

    Metered service here but not there will simply make people want to avoid it EVERYWHERE.
     
  20. ferrisnox

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    Caps of any kind are evil, stupid, and short sighted. The Internet and websites continuously take up more bandwidth as richer content becomes available. Trying to surf the web we use today with videos, high res pictures, flash etc... on dial up is near impossible. Its because the bandwidth and size of even simple websites has gone up so much.

    Artificially limiting bandwidth today only holds back innovation and improvements of tomorrow.
     
  21. JayteeBates

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    You apparently don't use a VPN to connect to work from home, watch movies online, download games or (legal) ISOs. Some of us legitly use a LOT of bandwidth. I totally fill up the 3Mbit DSL service I pay for and would get more if it was available but here are only 2 T1 lines feeding my DSLAM. This probably impacts the others on that DSLAM as I have it full nearly 24/7.

    I already pay to much as I'm paying for a landline I don't use just to get DSL - don't see them using that money to improve the situation though.

    Also don't run around proposing XGB caps for example 300 GB a month - that figure is enough today...but things are only getting more bandwidth intensive. Any hard number you through out today will be to small in the very near future. It needs to be a relative cap something along the lines of - (and I am making these numbers up)

    - People on average watch 6 movies a month...Bandwidth required for double that plus
    - People on average download 4 games a month...Bandwidth required for double that plus
    - People on average view 4500 web pages a month...Bandwidth required for double that plus
    - People on average download 2 ISO's a month...Bandwidth required for double that plus
    - People on average connect to VPN daily for X hours requiring X bandwidth...Double that ...

    Sum up all those Legit uses and you get some idea of a "reasonable" soft cap
     
  22. JayteeBates

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    Darn no edit button:
    I need to add: "that does not become outdated and overly restrictive in short order"
     
  23. MrGuvernment

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    throttling and metering are 2 completly different things, metering is the beleif you should pay for what you use by the mb,gig or what ever, not, you should be capped on what ever we choose and throttled on speed using certain protocols.
     
  24. MrGuvernment

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    darn edit


    What i think sucks about this is for people who use alot of online content, netflix, downloading music from say itunes, your now going to be double paying for items possible pending how much you download and if your cost goes over what you pay now....

    Who is going to pay for all the spam and ad's on websites i dont want to see that are being forced on me every day....
     
  25. nobody_here

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    one day is here, my broadband connection is already used for home phone and HD streaming via Netflix on top of "normal internet usage", i also can stream from sources like Hulu......all of this is normal everyday usage today
     
  26. k1pp3r

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    That day is here for me also, but not for everyone just yet. New devices are coming out though,
     
  27. vista_blista

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    Fine. But will they then offer rebates to those who use meager resources, rarely torrent or watch movies on-line? Probably not.
     
  28. punkrockpolak

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    This is going the exact opposite direction that cell phone usage gets charged. Sure, you can buy a pay-as-you go phone where you pay per minute (metered), but most plans are of the X number of minutes per month variety (softcap). Even more popular nowadays are the unlimited plans where you get unlimited call time or unlimited mobile broadband. So internet service providers are reducing service while increasing prices.

    Comcast gives me 250 gigs a month which is a decent chunk of bandwith for a single user, but when you're living with multiple people and are all using one connection it becomes a problem. We got a call from Comcast once because we exceeded or bandwith... my router logs showed that we used almost 450 gigs. It was over winter break so you got four people watching a ton of movies, downloading a few games each, playing with different linux distros and Windows betas, etc.
     
  29. Derfman

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    Capitalism at it's best!
     
  30. Azhar

    Azhar Fixing stupid since 1972

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    That's easy. It cost THE MONEY WE TAXPAYERS FUCKING GAVE THEM BUT THE CEO BOUGHT YACHTS WITH!
     
  31. PunditGuy

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    The utility comparison fails hard. In the case of electricity, gas and water, you're consuming a discrete unit that is no longer available for anyone else. Bandwidth is essentially self-generating; when I'm done using it, it's available for everyone else to use.

    ISPs keep telling us that it's a very small percentage of users who are degrading the bandwidth experience for everyone else. The logical thing to do would be to deal with those users. Instead, they'd rather institute blanket policies that affect everyone because they're likely to generate more revenue that way.

    That's what this all boils down to. This has nothing to do with the customer experience, because that would be relatively easy to take care of (throttle or kick the abusers and build up your network capacity). This is all about making more money from a market that is becoming increasingly saturated. Any other excuse is 100% disingenuous.
     
  32. Ron Mexico

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    In the scheme of things, this has very little to do with money. It's the motivating factor for the teleco's, but that's their "bone".

    We already know that most, if not all of the teleco's are in bed with the government. The government always, and is actively seeking more control over us, and what we say. When the teleco's can "throttle" the net, they can "throttle" sites that the gov doesn't like.

    It isn't a conspiracy if it is happening in front of our faces, and it isn't far fetched. We lose more and more rights with every passing bill, and it's mostly done under the guise of "safety", or "for our own good".

    The teleco's are lapdogs for the politicians, and they get money we pay to them so hte government can throttle our speech and thoughts.

    Again, this isn't some nut conspiracy. Look back at almost every government in history. The steps that Stalin, Hitler, and all of the rest took look almost exactly like what is happening here folks.

    Have the gov control more and more over time, and try little by little to disarm people. And think about it before you call me names; if 30 years ago the gov implemented, overnight, the patriot act, the military commissions act of 2006, and the thousands of other laws stripping our rights away, there would have been a revolt.

    But when they do it little by little, year after year, no one notices. Shoot, why do you think kids in high school don't have rights as we see by numerous court decisions. Train the kids at a young age that they have no rights, they have to listen and not question authority, et cetera.
     
  33. Nanan

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    The reasonable cap per month for an internet connection is your max advertised speed x 24 hr x 365 days / 12 months.
     
  34. Ron Mexico

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    THIS. They got BILLIONS from the gov. Where (read: whos pocket) did it all go?

    No matter how you slice it, the gov is involved somehow, and that is never good.
     
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  36. JUSTJOEL73

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    Maybe we need to have rollever GBs that don't expire :D
     
  37. k1pp3r

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    With new A list circle, i can visit any 10 web pages as much as i want and it wont use my GB's
     
  38. ND40oz

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    I work out of my house and I have a business connection. Just because business is done at home, doesn't mean you have to purchase a residential package for your house.
     
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