Verizon Asked To Share “Six Strikes” Alerts For Lawsuit

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Is there anyone out there that didn't see this coming? I didn't think so. :(

It’s just a few weeks since the six-strikes copyright alert system was activated in the U.S. and already it’s being utilized in a civil action against an alleged BitTorrent pirate. To prepare for a trial against a Verizon subscriber, adult movie studio Malibu Media has subpoenaed the user’s ISP to hand over copies of DMCA and six-strikes notices issued to far. In addition, the copyright holder also wants to know how much bandwidth the subscriber uses each month, and what pay-per-view programs were watched.
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Fast and scary! I told the wife she had to quit with her torrents, we have Netflix and other like services, she doesn't really understand this, she asked about proxies, and I dont believe that they are the answer.
 
wait how did he get six strikes already did they send all the notices out at once? I dont get it that's so shady....No massive company has mail that can process that fast automatically...
 
*sigh*
I can already picture myself saying "Back in my day the internet wasn't monitored by the man!"
 
Bit torrent sites will adapt. At least any of the good ones will. Aka any one that requires a login.

They'll just ban any "Malibu Media" products from being distributed.

Verizon really doesn't have to release the 6 strikes data. They probably won't either because then the next lawsuit will be against them as being an accomplice aiding in a crime. As these trolls will try anything.
 
TeeJay88 said:
Fast and scary! I told the wife she had to quit with her torrents, we have Netflix and other like services, she doesn't really understand this, she asked about proxies, and I dont believe that they are the answer.
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This is why people shouldn't share connections to the Internet. I know if I were ever to get married, I'd make sure my cat had his own connection and I had mine. That way my legitimate downloading of Linux distros would not be associated with his illegal downloading of Miley Cyrus albums.
 
Is Malibu Media trying to retro-actively apply the six strikes rule, it would appear so? Lets hope this gets shot down quickly.
 
andrewcw said:
Bit torrent sites will adapt. At least any of the good ones will. Aka any one that requires a login.

They'll just ban any "Malibu Media" products from being distributed.

Verizon really doesn't have to release the 6 strikes data. They probably won't either because then the next lawsuit will be against them as being an accomplice aiding in a crime. As these trolls will try anything.
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So what you're saying is that torrent sites will cease to exist in the near future.

Something has got to give and this is not it
 
I haven't seen anything come from this out of either Comcast or Verizon. The whole thing is a huge scare fake-out IMO.
 
All I am hearing in my head is
"Please Verizon go tell this porn company to go fuck itself," over and over.

I don't torrent. I don't download porn. But traditionally these kinds of things always get way out of hand and go into the realm of "wtf, you don't need that information for this stuff," and I hope that Verizon will simply be of the opinion of "nah, we're good, we don't care whats going on so go away."

If lawmakers want to think of the Internet as a set of roads and data as cars traveling on these roads then my next comment is this - Do you sue NYS when you find someone was smuggling drugs on it's roads? I didn't think so.
 
TeeJay88 said:
Fast and scary! I told the wife she had to quit with her torrents, we have Netflix and other like services, she doesn't really understand this, she asked about proxies, and I dont believe that they are the answer.
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SSL dutch usenet. No torrents for me again.
 
The thing is "6 strikes" applies to the criminal side of the law, how many have actually been criminally prosecuted for downloading porn? *crickets*

Civil suits are still free to go which has been just about EVERY copyright infringement case to date.


“DMCA notices and six strike notices are relevant because these notices may prove a pattern of infringement and/or notice that infringement is occurring. Bandwidth usage is relevant because people who are heavy BitTorrent users use significantly more bandwidth than normal internet users,” Malibu writes.
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Translation, while we can't prove how many movies the defendant downloaded, we can extrapolate based on this data and get the mother of all judgements leveed against him!
 
“DMCA notices and six strike notices are relevant because these notices may prove a pattern of infringement and/or notice that infringement is occurring. Bandwidth usage is relevant because people who are heavy BitTorrent users use significantly more bandwidth than normal internet users,” Malibu writes.
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sfsuphysics said:
Translation, while we can't prove how many movies the defendant downloaded, we can extrapolate based on this data and get the mother of all judgements leveed against him!
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Would like to see how they can prove someone hasn't simply downloaded a bunch of games off Steam/Origins or used Netflix..

BF3 itself is already 20 GB, with an additional 2.5-5 GB per DLC. If you have to reformat, it is one hell of a way to accumulate bandwidth usage if you did not backup your data and/or games.
 
It's really sad how things have become. This antipiracy extremism is so out of hand it's ridiculous. Corporations should not be able to influence government. The movie/music industry should be forced to adapt, just like any other industry would in a situation like this. So much corruption going on it's sickening.
 
Is Malibu Media part of the parties involved in the 6 strikes agreement, or simply someone trying to get the additional records in part of their civil suit they filed over a year ago. It seems they were granted the subpoena for the records which isn't uncommon but probably would be in violation of the agreement between ISPs and MPAA, RIAA etc if they were one of the parties invovled.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Corporations should not be able to influence government.
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In my crazy world the GOV is like the biggest corporation of them all, OF COURSE it sides with other corporations. Birds of a feather.

The movie/music industry should be forced to adapt, just like any other industry would in a situation like this.
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They are :D just not the way the people want.

So much corruption going on it's sickening.
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This only seems new.
 
CreepyUncleGoogle said:
This is why people shouldn't share connections to the Internet. I know if I were ever to get married, I'd make sure my cat had his own connection and I had mine. That way my legitimate downloading of Linux distros would not be associated with his illegal downloading of Miley Cyrus albums.
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did they ban your other account?or you got bored?
 
MasonD said:
Any info on the fastest available? Can I keep up my current DL speeds using this?

Me = noob.
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Take a look on TorrentFreak (the site hosting this article) as they have done several articles about VPNs and if you can stomach the comments section there is some worthwhile info there.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a perversion of how it was supposed to work?
Seems like they quickly turned it into a more efficient way of doing business as usual.
 
BryanSTG said:
Is Malibu Media trying to retro-actively apply the six strikes rule, it would appear so? Lets hope this gets shot down quickly.
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Six strikes != get out of infringement card. :p

This lawsuit request is different. The article, read it.

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NoTrigger said:
Would like to see how they can prove someone hasn't simply downloaded a bunch of games off Steam/Origins or used Netflix..

BF3 itself is already 20 GB, with an additional 2.5-5 GB per DLC. If you have to reformat, it is one hell of a way to accumulate bandwidth usage if you did not backup your data and/or games.
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What proof is necessary? As I mentioned, all this shit is a civil trial, you are not innocent until proven guilty, all they have to do is convince 12 people who most likely don't know shit about computers (because the plaintiff lawyers would kick them off the jury if they did) that you kind of sorta maybe could have done it, and you lose.
 
SonicTron said:
So what you're saying is that torrent sites will cease to exist in the near future.

Something has got to give and this is not it
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That is not what he is saying.

It the end of the road for noobs and casual pirates and people who don't know what they are doing basically.

Anyone that knows has already switched off from using torrents.

Or go to torrents sites that require login these aren't the sites the general utorrent public is using.
 
anyone that thinks a private torrent site or vpn or dutch usenet will actually protect them is naive... all of this traffic is still hitting your ISP it doesnt matter where its coming from.

In the end if the ISP's give the info out the courts can use it against you.
 
Kenjiwing said:
In the end if the ISP's give the info out the courts can use it against you.
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It depends. The complaints still seem to be coming from the copyright holders or industry groups, and in torrent traffic that means monitoring peers/seeds by IP address. ISPs have to respond to DMCA-type requests, and that info collected could be matched to users who are in countries that prohibit copyright infringement (otherwise, the requests will likely just go into the round file and are unlikely to be forwarded at all).

So when someone talks about using a VPN, if the VPN resides in a country with lax copyright enforcement, the data being moved isn't being linked to a place where an infringement notice would be sent. So yeah, someone in the US could torrent like crazy through a particular selection of VPNs and not worry about being caught.
 
Kenjiwing said:
anyone that thinks a private torrent site or vpn or dutch usenet will actually protect them is naive... all of this traffic is still hitting your ISP it doesnt matter where its coming from.

In the end if the ISP's give the info out the courts can use it against you.
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Most usenet accounts use SSL. Because of this, your ISP wouldn't know what is being transferred in specific. Yes, they might know that your getting traffic from Giganews or Astraweb. Without knowing what was transferred in specific thought it would inadmissible. The thing with usenet is that it's being hammered hard for take down requests. Unlike torrents, there is no proliferation in usenet. Yes, it can always be reupped, but just as quick it can be DMCA'd again..and it does. HBO caught on for instance and I'm hearing that GoT is now being covered by DMCA's. Piracy won't ever stop, but it can be subjugated. The overall arc that I don't like here is how corporations are directly influencing laws and twisting them, but as someone stated, this is nothing new; it just gets worse every year.
 
Kenjiwing said:
anyone that thinks a private torrent site or vpn or dutch usenet will actually protect them is naive... all of this traffic is still hitting your ISP it doesnt matter where its coming from.
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It's about adding layers and not being the low hanging fruit.

Probably easier for the copyright lobby just to shut down an offshore seedbox company than to track down it's customers. Even if they try, assuming the person who used the seedbox used fake info and anonymous payment methods, they'd be a pain in the ass to track down. In addition, if the seedbox user only accesses their seedbox on public wifi or a VPN(also paid for anonymously), the copyright trolls have another knot to untangle.

Most torrent users won't go through all that trouble, so the copyright trolls will have plenty of easier targets.

The ISP won't see what is being downloaded assuming the customer keeps all their #ScrewCopyrightTrolls activity encrypted.


Regarding Usenet, I have never heard of a single person being sued for downloading from Usenet. Same with a Six Strikes warning. Now, there have been lawsuits against Usenet providers, and several Usenet indexers have been shut down, but people aren't getting sued for their download activity on Usenet.
 
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