Ocellaris
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Wheres the praise? he's asking a question.
He's doing the tech equivalent of asking where he can buy XL condoms for his massive dong.
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Wheres the praise? he's asking a question.
He's doing the tech equivalent of asking where he can buy XL condoms for his massive dong.
Even if that exactly turns out to be the case, it still doesn't seem to account for what we know about Vega so far.
The most recent TImeSpy score basically shows Vega 64 tying the air-cooled Vega FE, and Gamer's Nexus already tested Vega FE vs a Fury X clock-for-clock and found that Vega FE performed pretty much dead tied with a Fury X clock-for-clock in 3DMark tests and in games. Since Fiji doesn't do any primitive culling at all and has nothing like TBR, that would mean that either the better AVFS in RX Vega plus the introduction of primitive culling and DSBR are worth a grand total of zero fps and every second RTG spent working on those features was set on fire (but then how did Polaris supposedly gain so much in perf/watt? I thought primitive culling was supposed to be a large part of that?), or is it that Vega is heavily bottlenecked somewhere such that it's theoretical clock-for-clock performance gains are not being realised?
As far as I understand--and again I admit to being a total novice at understanding GPUs--the fact that Tom's Hardware found that Vega FE air trades blows with a P6000 in 3D pro rendering applications like Creo 3.0, Solidworks 2015, and 3ds Max seems to suggest that the bottleneck isn't geometry performance, while the Beyond 3D Suite testing done by PC Games Hardware I posted earlier in the thread shows a ~20%-30% regressions vs. Fiji in raw memory bandwidth, effective texture bandwidth, and texel fill rates (as I already posted earlier in this thread). My inference from these pieces of evidence was that something was wrong with Vega's memory bandwidth, and that Vega would be DOA if the issue could not be remedied by RTG by RX Vega's launch. I also inferred from that, that RX Vega should get a decent benefit from DSBR since DSBR is directly supposed to reduce memory bandwidth requirements.
These TimeSpy results are thus pretty confusing to me, since they would seem to suggest that either DSBR still isn't working, or DSBR provides nearly zero memory bandwidth savings, or Vega isn't memory bound in 3DMark tests and gaming and is being held back by something else?
Basically it continues to be the case that every snippet of information that trickles out is leaving me more confused rather than less.
For the record, if the extreme long-shot idea that RTG has been sandbagging by disabling an entire memory controller and that THIS is why Vega shows ~303 GB/s raw memory bandwidth at the moment (since a single Synopsys HBM2 memory controller maxes out at 307 GB/s), I may actually and literally die of laughter.
clock for clock Vega should be slower than Fiji, since it has longer pipeline ? (not sure what GPU terminology is here)
You know the card is shit when that's the best praise Raja could come up with.
In 2221 someone will install a Vega 56 in download the drivers and breath in its well developed drivers.Ever tried drinking 100 year old wine, its not that good
Quite ironic Intel created a 'GPU' design that worked better as a CPU
Cheers
How long after Volta will that take?
I've heard this before. I'm still not regretting buying a 980ti over a fury x, not at all..........
Well it is like a fine wine, so in 100 to 200 years it will be much better then a GTX 1080 ti.
Guess that confirms that. Sampling is happening.
So I don't want to defend Linus as he does not need it, but come on He is an intel shill till he isn't and he is an AMD shill till he isn't and he is an Nvidia shill till he isnt, so he is a Radeon Shill till he isn't. You get the picture yet? Linus has a personality i find grating, but he does not strike as being that much of a corporate shill.Linus is AMD's official ball washer now, no big surprise here.
So I don't want to defend Linus as he does not need it, but come on He is an intel shill till he isn't and he is an AMD shill till he isn't and he is an Nvidia shill till he isnt, so he is a Radeon Shill till he isn't. You get the picture yet? Linus has a personality i find grating, but he does not strike as being that much of a corporate shill.
So I don't want to defend Linus as he does not need it, but come on He is an intel shill till he isn't and he is an AMD shill till he isn't and he is an Nvidia shill till he isnt, so he is a Radeon Shill till he isn't. You get the picture yet? Linus has a personality i find grating, but he does not strike as being that much of a corporate shill.
So basically AMD is selling the 56 and 64 (air cooled) for 599 now, if true that's hilarious. So basically once 64 sells out, you're stuck paying full price for the 56 if you're thatretardedloyal.
Hes just nice with all the product makers.Linus is AMD's official ball washer now, no big surprise here.
Freesync is cheaper then g-sync duh.https://videocardz.com/71771/final-radeon-rx-vega-64-3dmark-performance
Barely a 1080. Any AIB OC version of 1080 would destroy it. Apart from mining, don't see the value in this card.
https://videocardz.com/71771/final-radeon-rx-vega-64-3dmark-performance
Barely a 1080. Any AIB OC version of 1080 would destroy it. Apart from mining, don't see the value in this card.
https://videocardz.com/71771/final-radeon-rx-vega-64-3dmark-performance
Barely a 1080. Any AIB OC version of 1080 would destroy it. Apart from mining, don't see the value in this card.
Linked article states nothing about RX Vega 56 prices being raised, so you are throwing FUD into the mix...
The msi 1080 is an aib oc version and it competes nicely?
So much for "amd not sampling reviewers".
While its good its being sampled, the short amount of time for reviewers to review is not good. Threadripper, if this Linus tweet was a good indicator, had a week to do tests.
It's not like that resolution is some kind of threshold value above which Vega performs better. It has been tested rigorously at 4K and it lags behind, you cannot argue 4K is not stressful enough, it's a higher resolution than 5760x1080To many for so long have given to much thought to raw FPS as being the King of GPU's .. It's a gaming card and by it's memory design it's built to give smoother game play in like Surround /4K where you need the wide memory bus when you scale 3 /1080p setups with more eye candy and less side to side lag and higher min FPS.. thats why HD7970 had 384Bit and the 290x had 512Bit as I am sure a company that makes cards to handle 6 displays in gaming at once is still backing that tech up with Vega and why the need of HBM2 .. a single 1080p display benchmark is a joke for something beefed up to handle huge gpu demand in surround without drop off.
Review sites never push surround gaming anymore but I would love to see Vega at 5760 x 1080 pushing games to see how well it holds up in min FPS .
If those numbers are right the AIO Vega and 1080 are basically the same. Even if the air Vega is -10% that's still fine. You can't really tell 10% difference in FPS. The cost has to make sense...
I was more interested in thread ripper getting wrecked by the 7700k and 5960x lol.
https://videocardz.com/71771/final-radeon-rx-vega-64-3dmark-performance
Barely a 1080. Any AIB OC version of 1080 would destroy it. Apart from mining, don't see the value in this card.
Did you read any of the articles?
TR wrecked the 7900x and held it's own in 1080p gaming...
Yeah screw you razor you useless cunt. You spend all day shitposting AMDs' excellent hardware here, instead of doing ya bloody job and fixing our finewinez!AMD is so advanced that the developers today can't comprehend how to use their hardware. It may take generations for that knowledge to be discovered. See, if people like razor1 weren't so terrible at their jobs AMD would have put Nvidia out of business years ago.
AMD is trying to sell Radeon RX Vega 64 at a higher price
I normally do not post about graphics card prices before they are confirmed, but we have at least 4 independent sources claiming that there is little to no difference in pricing for black and limited editions of Vega 64.
Take a look at the following chart, this is a compiled list of all pricing information that we saw or were told about. Don’t look at the prices as if they were final, look at the trend where black blower cards are offered at the same price as limited edition.
This is not the first time the product is offered at a higher price than first advertised. This usually happens for preorders or shortly after launch. However few shops will still offer Vega 64 at official suggested price, just so AMD can say it was sold for 499 USD.
For the record, if the extreme long-shot idea that RTG has been sandbagging by disabling an entire memory controller and that THIS is why Vega shows ~303 GB/s raw memory bandwidth at the moment (since a single Synopsys HBM2 memory controller maxes out at 307 GB/s), I may actually and literally die of laughter.
Guess that confirms that. Sampling is happening.
You mean like this?I'd love to see if they have such nicely beveled CNC edges on all the production cards. Literally an extra minute or so of CNC time per card..