heatlesssun
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Thing is though I never bought up Windows 8 in this thread.
Until the real trolls did.
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Thing is though I never bought up Windows 8 in this thread.
Until the real trolls did.
Strange. I still have all of the choices in software and hardware I had with Windows 7 in Windows 8 plus a new software store that isn't available in 7. How is more choice less?
rudy... you can't customize Windows. It's either Windows 8 + Metro and its respective app store or bust. The whole point of this is to get away from Microsoft... Why can't you understand this? What do you think Blizzard is thinking right now? What about Sony? Or EA with their Origin service? Do you think they'll be looking at Windows?
And studios will absolutely port over. Most gaming today isn't done on your desktop or console but rather a smartphone and tablet. In fact, most computing is done on a smartphone and tablet. Are developers going to cater to a tiny Windows market share there as well? Because you and heatless would find that idea to be dandy, perhaps? No, they go where the money is, and right now the big money is in mobile.
If a developer can make a platform agnostic game and offer it on every device and OS, then that's what they'll aim to do because that means they've got a shot at making more money. Going DirectX or Windows just doesn't make sense outside of the desktop space, and I don't need to inform you that that segment is decreasing.
You can customize windows in just about any way valve would need to for a first console, there are many companies small and large who have custom versions of windows which do what valve would need, IE boot strait into steam and stay in it if they please, I believe it is called windows embedded. These are running on all sorts of dedicated hardware machines, in fact if you work in one of many industries you have probably used these perhaps not even knowing it.
The person which you responded to from the quote above didn't even mention Windows 8, he just pinpointed the probable direction Microsoft is more inclined to take, then you decided invoke your usual Microsoft knob-slobbing parade, yet AGAIN.
How do you remove the branding so that it doesn't say Windows? Brand identity is very important to a console; if it says Windows all over the place, then that kind of puts a damper on things.
So someone's speculation is now Microsoft's probable direction even though their lastest x86 version of Windows retains all existing desktop software distribution methods, doesn't preclude new ones on the desktop and actually adds another and that's taking away choice?
Embedded Windows, this has been done for years on all sorts of devices.
If it costs as much as Windows RT does, I don't see that as a very attractive option. When introducing a new console, price is everything.
So someone's speculation is now Microsoft's probable direction even though their lastest x86 version of Windows retains all existing desktop software distribution methods, doesn't preclude new ones on the desktop and actually adds another and that's taking away choice?
Microsoft doesn't stage a coup in one fell swoop. They prefer to gradually take over and lock you into their platform. There is even a term for it : Embrace, extend, extinguish.
Do you even want a console?
Microsoft doesn't stage a coup in one fell swoop. They prefer to gradually take over and lock you into their platform. There is even a term for it : Embrace, extend, extinguish.
Be under no illusion : They will be favoring Metro over the Desktop and they will gradually work on pushing people in that direction. Microsoft is nothing if not predictable in their strategies.
Not particularly but if I was going to get one, it would be one based on an open platform like GNU/Linux or Android.
What I want, however, is irrelevant. It is what Valve wants. Clearly, Valve is trying to compete with consoles here and they can't do that if the thing is twice as expensive. A Windows license would add to that expense.
But Metro at this pointed isn't designed to do the same things as the desktop, that's not it's purpose. I see nothing to be gained for Microsoft in in essence killing the nature of it's most successful product to essentially go to total mobile distribution model where it's far behind.
Anything is possible but unless there's something in it for Microsoft I don't see how a Microsoft only software distribution model for Windows x86/x64 does anything but hurt them.
You're completely oblivious to Microsofts history of business practices, and is something I will not argue again. To make my life easier I will quote the mighty damicatz;
Right now, it would hurt them. That is why they gradually transition things over to Metro. Once enough stuff is transitioned, they pull the plug.
Even Saint Thurott, His Holiness of the Order of William Gates, thinks as much.
With all this discussion on Windows 8 and a Valve Box I am starting to think that a Valve box is the totally wrong direction to go. Valve won't win many converts from the hardcore PC gaming crowd because we are likely to have better systems than what they can offer in the console style Valve box. Also, console exclusive titles might limit the converts from the existing console crowd. Since the future of computing is mobility not fixed systems (they are becoming the Maginot Line of the 21st century) Valve might be better served by making a Valve Tablet.
With Tablets on more of a Moore's law trajectory right now than PCs or consoles and with them starting to run out of features to add, it might be that the next big opportunity (as the tablets become more powerful) is to become mobile computing hubs. You dock them at home to play games like a console and do HTPC functions. You then take them with you on the go to do all your mobility functions. Strategically that might be a better play for Valve than the Valve Box
You may be right, but why the fuck would anyone want to game on a tablet when they could sit down and have a much better experience on there couch or desk?
You may be right, but why the fuck would anyone want to game on a tablet when they could sit down and have a much better experience on there couch or desk?
Unless the hardware is significantly cheaper than a comparable PC, I see no reason for this. PC gamers are different from console gamers. And Valve sells PC games. I have a ton of games on Steam...I didn't buy $3000 worth of hardware to buy a Steam Box.
Because everyone knows that an Android phone makes for an excellent gaming platform and HTPC, lol!!!!Did you type that up on an Android phone by any chance? Or do you own one? If you do, then you've been cozy with Linux. With that said, you should be well aware that it's also the most flexible OS which makes it a perfect choice for a console/HTPC.
Because everyone knows that an Android phone makes for an excellent gaming platform and HTPC, lol!!!!
Thanks, but no thanks, I'll stick with Windows 8.
Embedded Windows, this has been done for years on all sorts of devices.
Dreamcast ran on it, Windows CE style.
And secondly, most games bought and played are on a tablet and smartphone. That's a real kick in the teeth, isn't it?
Sure, a bunch of $2 games and free stuff on a touch screen. That's not exactly what console and PC gaming is about though. I'm not saying that mobile gaming is important and growing, but it really does look to be a higher-volume, lower cost and production quality, touch oriented experience compared to consoles and PCs.
Is there a difference between your console $60 game at 720p and your tablet, docked with M+KB playing the same $60 game at 720p?
I think that convergence is coming far sooner than people would like to think, and as a result it's going to dramatically change the landscape altogether. The lines have already become blurred as to what a PC actually is, now it's just a matter of taking a couple of extra steps.