using no HSF on my VENICE!!!!!

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Do you still have a heatsink on it? Having no fan that is quite possible if you still have a heatsink on it. You said HSF. Or, are you just running it bare? That sounds crazy. I suppose it is possible with a Venice because they run so cool, but I don't see why you would want to do that. On my old Gigabyte board, I enabled smart fan in the bios (it is a buggy program) and everyonce in a while when I booted up, if it was cold enough, my fan would stop spinning and I would still be under 40c idle, but I was using an Ultra Fire cooler, and later changed to an Artic Freezer so it still had a way to dissipate the heat with the heatsink.

So, 46c may be possible at idle bare on a Venice, but when you stress it, it is going to run way over 60c....and your Venice will pretty much croak instantly and you are going to scratch your head wondering why on earth you did that.

If you have $150 to just throw away, I'll send you my addy via PM and you can just send me the cash next time :D
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Right. A 2.5GHz 3000+, would be MUCH MUCH hotter than that at full speed with nothing but a heat spreader to cool it.
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If he does have a heat spreader, everyone of you guys flamming him owes him an apology for being a bunch of know it alls.

I say, with the proper heatsink, it is possible, with proper case air flow, for a Venice to do that because it has happened to me because my fan has stopped spinning in the past with my old Gigabyte board, though I did not do it on purpose.

I have a P-180 case with my top fan running as an intake, so that definitely helped my situation. I don't know what type of case he has though.
 
9iron said:
If he does have a heat spreader, everyone of you guys flamming him owes him an apology for being a bunch of know it alls.

I say, with the proper heatsink, it is possible, with proper case air flow, for a Venice to do that because it has happened to me because my fan has stopped spinning in the past with my old Gigabyte board, though I did not do it on purpose.

I have a P-180 case with my top fan running as an intake, so that definitely helped my situation. I don't know what type of case he has though.
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Although this thread should die, and newls owes everyone an explanation, I guess I'll add to it again. First of all, a heat spreader is not a heatsink. He claims running without a heatsink at all. A heatspreader will do little to dissipate heat.
 


Granted I have an Artic Freezer and am using AS5 thermal paste, but using speed fan 4.26 is shows quite clearly that fan 2, my cpu fan is not spinning and my cpu is under 40c, with my 3000+ at 2.5ghz using stock voltges.

So, bare, with just the heat spreader, it may be possible to be at 46c idle, but I don't know why on earth anyone would want to do that.
 
9iron said:


Granted I have an Artic Freezer and am using AS5 thermal paste, but using speed fan 4.26 is shows quite clearly that fan 2, my cpu fan is not spinning and my cpu is under 40c, with my 3000+ at 2.5ghz using stock voltges.

So, bare, with just the heat spreader, it may be possible to be at 46c idle, but I don't know why on earth anyone would want to do that.
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Your Arctic freezer is half a kg of aluminum and copper, the heatspreader is a gram or two.
 
Well, all he has to do is download Gimp and CPU-Z, both of which are free, run them both, hit CNTRL+ALT+Print Screen and host the pic at imageshack.

I showed how it was possible to host a pic with what programs for proof, now it is just up to him...if you guys haven't chased him away.

If he doesn't, since it requires no payment for any program, then you guys were right. However, rather than just insult people and call them a liar, just offer them a way to proove themselves first.
 
9iron said:
If he does have a heat spreader, everyone of you guys flamming him owes him an apology for being a bunch of know it alls.

I say, with the proper heatsink, it is possible, with proper case air flow, for a Venice to do that because it has happened to me because my fan has stopped spinning in the past with my old Gigabyte board, though I did not do it on purpose.

I have a P-180 case with my top fan running as an intake, so that definitely helped my situation. I don't know what type of case he has though.
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No. The integrated heat spreader on the chip is built into the chip and therefore doesn't count. It's not sufficient anyway.

We never said a good passive heatsink (NOT SPREADER) couldn't do the job. Of course it could. He said "No cooling of any kind". Apology nothing.
 
So, why not show the guy the programs to use to proove himself rather than automatically resorting to insults? But, yeah, I agree, with just the ihsp, it should run waay hotter.

Maybe his cpu already died which is why he hasn't come back :p
 
9iron said:
So, why not show the guy the programs to use to proove himself rather than automatically resorting to insults?
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I never insulted him. I just called bullshit because I think it is. Secondly, no program will prove that what he's talking about can be done. Thirdly, he'd have to some how get a shot of the screen (with CPU-Z running) and in the same camera shot, show the PC working with no cooling.

Even so, this isn't conclusive, as it can be easily faked. Video would be better in this case. Based on what we know collectively about Athlon 64's this doesn't seem possible.
 
With no fan this is possible, but with no heatsink....

My Venice stays very cool. I have the stock cooling on it, but my CPU fan NEVER spins. OK well that's a lie it does spin when I first start to boot my PC, but after that it is so cool already that the fan just stops spinning. I get 32C Idle 36C Load. This is partly why my PC is so quiet. So I say with a a heatsink and no fan it is possible. With neither, impossible. The CPU will immediately jump to high temps regardless of wether it was overclocked 700MHz or not.
 
Well, my friends 3200 Newcastle got to 120c before it would not turnover any more, it had the heat sink on with the fan not spinning. :D
 
my chip can hit 2.5 at 1.35 volt, idle temps with my air cooling set up is 26c
if i turn all the fans off idle temps are sitting at 38c

though I don't think what he said is impossible I do think the temps are a bit off.

my venice runs extremely cool especially with my voltages and still for my "special" chip and my very very very "extreme" air cooling the number of 46c you brought up only makes me think a censor somewhere isn't reading the temps right.
 
people, this is impossible. plain and simple - 69w of heat ( i guess around 30w or so at idle) CANNOT be dissapated effectivly through a tiny peice of silicon and a solid copper plate sitting on top of it. period.

there is no speculation, not ifs and or buts. you have needed a HSF since before the 486 - and those were putting off LESS heat over MORE surface area

Even the Pentium-M needs a HSF, and those put off <5w idle and ~29w load.
 
9iron said:
Well, all he has to do is download Gimp and CPU-Z, both of which are free, run them both, hit CNTRL+ALT+Print Screen and host the pic at imageshack.

I showed how it was possible to host a pic with what programs for proof, now it is just up to him...if you guys haven't chased him away.

If he doesn't, since it requires no payment for any program, then you guys were right. However, rather than just insult people and call them a liar, just offer them a way to proove themselves first.
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everyone here has mentioned that...now this thread is 5 pages, with only a few posts from the OP...and no CPUz even...its bogus till proven otherwise.
 
ChronicTrees said:
I bet seconds after the post his processor fried, and now he is using another comp.
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there is no way he sustained windows long enough to post...i bet you couldnt even get to the windows loading screen.
 
HighwayAssassins said:
there is no way he sustained windows long enough to post...i bet you couldnt even get to the windows loading screen.
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Umm, I hate to be technical (not really) but POST, (P)ower (O)n (S)elf (T)est, occurs before the OS is loaded. When the OS loading begins, you are past the POST sequence. It's more accurate to say, that it's unlikely he could get through POST, much less loading Windows.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Umm, I hate to be technical (not really) but POST, (P)ower (O)n (S)elf (T)est, occurs before the OS is loaded. When the OS loading begins, you are past the POST sequence. It's more accurate to say, that it's unlikely he could get through POST, much less loading Windows.
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I think you're talking about two different "posts." lol
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Umm, I hate to be technical (not really) but POST, (P)ower (O)n (S)elf (T)est, occurs before the OS is loaded. When the OS loading begins, you are past the POST sequence. It's more accurate to say, that it's unlikely he could get through POST, much less loading Windows.
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I think he was talking about the type of post one would make on these forums.
 
One of the first computers I ever personally built (Abit KT7a-Raid, AMD Athlon 1ghz) accidently turned on before I installed the heatsink. I had everything inside, I was opening up the heatsink, and then I mustve have hit the power button with my elbow. It turned on, I immediatly turned it off... it was on for roughly 3 seconds. About 15 seconds later I was worried I may have fried it... so I touched the core... I had no idea what possesed me to do this. NEVER DO THAT! It literally BOILED the flesh on my index finger. BOILED! I had a huge ass blister, my skin was deformed.... it was horrible. This was many many many years ago.

On the bright side, the CPU lived and I believe my Dad is still using that processor in his current computer.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
It was older processors. Specifically an original T-Bird core Athlon, and a Palamino Athlon. The latter Palamino was supposed to be able to lock up and shutdown the same way the Pentium III in that video does. However the thermal protection fails, and that CPU burns up as well. Yet, the old ass Socket 423 Pentium 4, manages to throttle down and keep going. The performance tanks badly though.
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I still remember when Kyle fried the 1Ghz T-Bird Athlon because he used a Pentium III HSF on it. There where stand off feet on both the CPU and HSF creating a gap between the core and the HSF. POOF, instant $1000 keychain. Then, I think it was Steve, fried another 1Ghz T-Bird only a week later.

I fried a Duron 750Mhz just to watch it once. I applied power and there was a pop and a puff of smoke. Another keychain.
 
Hofy said:
I still remember when Kyle fried the 1Ghz T-Bird Athlon because he used a Pentium III HSF on it. There where stand off feet on both the CPU and HSF creating a gap between the core and the HSF. POOF, instant $1000 keychain. Then, I think it was Steve, fried another 1Ghz T-Bird only a week later.
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that doesnt make any sense... 462 and 370 HSF's were the same..

i guess if he were using a retail tualatin HSF it would be possible the HS wouldnt make proper contact due to the HS on tualatins...
 
Mr. Baz said:
Yeah....and the system shuts down when the heat gets too high.
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Yep, it sure does. I was just pointing out that the CPU does not die tho. It survives. This is contrary to what the majority of people here are saying. Just wanted to clear that up. I still do not believe that the OP is running his CPU bare.
 
Met-AL said:
Yep, it sure does. I was just pointing out that the CPU does not die tho. It survives. This is contrary to what the majority of people here are saying. Just wanted to clear that up. I still do not believe that the OP is running his CPU bare.
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Actually, the CPU's do not always survive. However the mortality rate on the chips is much better than it was during the Socket 462 (A) days.
 
Tengis said:
One of the first computers I ever personally built (Abit KT7a-Raid, AMD Athlon 1ghz) accidently turned on before I installed the heatsink.
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And this is why we don't plug in the motherboard until we're done.

Remember kids, it could save your flesh.
 
scholzie said:
And this is why we don't plug in the motherboard until we're done.

Remember kids, it could save your flesh.
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Haha, ya, I had it all plugged up... I was so excited.
 
lithium726 said:
that doesnt make any sense... 462 and 370 HSF's were the same..

i guess if he were using a retail tualatin HSF it would be possible the HS wouldnt make proper contact due to the HS on tualatins...
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Not initially. The four spacer feet were changed to allow operation on both types of CPU's. Initially though, there were some that would work on Pentium III's and NOT Athllons.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Not initially. The four spacer feet were changed to allow operation on both types of CPU's. Initially though, there were some that would work on Pentium III's and NOT Athllons.
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i dont remember that one :(

oh well.
 
Sir-Fragalot said:
Not initially. The four spacer feet were changed to allow operation on both types of CPU's. Initially though, there were some that would work on Pentium III's and NOT Athllons.
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i thought it was more of the fact that Slot A and Slot 1 coolers weren't compatiable
 
lithium726 said:
that doesnt make any sense... 462 and 370 HSF's were the same..

i guess if he were using a retail tualatin HSF it would be possible the HS wouldnt make proper contact due to the HS on tualatins...
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The Athlons have the 4 little ruber feet on the chip. The Pentium III HSF he used was an Intel OEM and Intel put their little feet on the HSF NOT the CPU. So what happened is that the little round feet where doubled up.

I am still looking in the archives for this but it was atleast 4 years ago, maybe 5.
 
Hofy said:
The Athlons have the 4 little ruber feet on the chip. The Pentium III HSF he used was an Intel OEM and Intel put their little feet on the HSF NOT the CPU. So what happened is that the little round feet where doubled up.

I am still looking in the archives for this but it was atleast 4 years ago, maybe 5.
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ah hah... i didnt have early pent-3's, so i didnt know about that. interesting.
 
Hofy said:
The Athlons have the 4 little ruber feet on the chip. The Pentium III HSF he used was an Intel OEM and Intel put their little feet on the HSF NOT the CPU. So what happened is that the little round feet where doubled up.

I am still looking in the archives for this but it was atleast 4 years ago, maybe 5.
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That's what it was. I couldn't remember too much about it. I remember griding the plastic feet off of an Alpha cooler to make it compatible with my T-Bird.
 
Hofy said:
The Athlons have the 4 little ruber feet on the chip. The Pentium III HSF he used was an Intel OEM and Intel put their little feet on the HSF NOT the CPU. So what happened is that the little round feet where doubled up.

I am still looking in the archives for this but it was atleast 4 years ago, maybe 5.
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Athlons rubber feet are very easy to compress. I'm not sure about the Pentium III, but if its feet were anything like the Athlon, I highly doubt it would create a gap between the core and the HSF when the HSF was clamped on. It would have to have pretty big/dense feet on the heatsink for it to create that gap. Heatsinks put a lot of pressure on the CPU when it's clamped on.
 
ChingChang said:
Athlons rubber feet are very easy to compress. I'm not sure about the Pentium III, but if its feet were anything like the Athlon, I highly doubt it would create a gap between the core and the HSF when the HSF was clamped on. It would have to have pretty big/dense feet on the heatsink for it to create that gap. Heatsinks put a lot of pressure on the CPU when it's clamped on.
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I believe the feet on the HSF where somewhat solid. BTW I think I found the right news article. It was an Alpha cooler not Intel. Looks like the pics are long gone. I think Kyle is still trying to forget this one. ;)

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=Mjk2MCxKdWx5ICAgICAsMjAwMA==
 
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