USB 3.0 Preview @ [H]

Discussion in 'Motherboards' started by FrgMstr, Dec 11, 2009.

  1. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

    Messages:
    48,087
    Joined:
    May 18, 1997
    USB 3.0 Preview - USB 3.0 is now arriving on motherboards from the likes of GIGABYTE and ASUS. What should we expect from SuperSpeed USB 3.0? It looks like it will actually live up to its nickname!

     
  2. xrealm20

    xrealm20 Gawd

    Messages:
    965
    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2009
    Awesome -- now we just have to wait for the devices to catch up in speed...
     
  3. ir0nw0lf

    ir0nw0lf [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,268
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    Long long overdue. 2010 will certainly be the year for USB 3.0, if everyone gets of their asses.
     
  4. BravO)))

    BravO))) [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,161
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2008
    I think it would be very cool if you could run a raid 0+1 on a laptob via usb 3.0. A fast portable server option?
     
  5. weebling1

    weebling1 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,233
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2002
  6. BravO)))

    BravO))) [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,161
    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2008
    The input hub is backwards compatible as you can plug both 2.0 and 3.0 into them, but the 2.0 device speeds will be like they always were which is why the pin layout on the devices side of a 3.0 cable is different. It is so no one with a 2.0 cable plugs it into a 3.0 device and like wise.
     
  7. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

    Messages:
    48,087
    Joined:
    May 18, 1997
    We showed you backwards compatibility in the first of the article. USB3 working in a USB2 port. We also told you that USB2 would plug in and work in a USB3. Obivoulsy, you are not going to get USB3 speeds out of a USB2 device or bus.
     
  8. weebling1

    weebling1 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,233
    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2002
    I was concerned about the HUGE new device end plug shown in one of your pics, not the speeds (I'm not a complete idiot :p , partial accepted ) " I suppose component makers needed a new niche - USB3 to USB2 adapters for people who can't find the right cord. They must miss the days of Parallel/Serial gender changers and null modem adapters. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Shalafi

    Shalafi Consigliere

    Messages:
    22,352
    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2009
    Good article, I have a Western Digital Passport 250 GB external drive, and big transfers like 150 GB from my external to my 7200 rpm Western Digital 320 GB Drive can take up to 2.5-3 hours to do, with this increase in speed, that will seriously cut down on how fast you can do large transfers like this, that will be very nice!! Most of that's my Steamapps folder which takes up almost 100 GB by itself. Speed like this will be great when people are looking to get systems back to what they were after reformatting and doing clean installs when they run their stuff off their externals or flash drives.
     
  10. geekosphere101

    geekosphere101 n00b

    Messages:
    45
    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2004
    When can we expect to see some enthusiast laptops equipped with USB 3.0 support? If the motherboards are ready, I'd expect laptops to follow soon after, even if the devices aren't caught up.

    Also, the SATA II 3.0Gbps vs SATA 3.0 6.0Gbps is going to drive me INSANE. When I first saw SATA 3.0 in your article I thought it was a misprint because I think of SATA II when I hear 3.0.... maybe it's just a personal problem but that naming scheme makes no sense.
     
  11. VIC-20

    VIC-20 Gawd

    Messages:
    854
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    Thanks Kyle, I have been curious about what we can expect from USB 3 for some time. My only concern is the USB-ATAPI/SATA bridges future products will use. USB 2.0 external drives are only giving us 20-35 MBps while the USB 2.0 spec is 60MBps. It seems Buffalo isn't ripping off with a cheap bridge in their USB 3 enclosure, but I'm not so sure everyone will follow suit. I have seen the odd external 2.5" drive with a native USB 2.0 controller on the drive itself. Does anyone know if any companies plan to do the same for USB 3?
     
  12. VIC-20

    VIC-20 Gawd

    Messages:
    854
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2006
    EDIT: Just thought of something else. If Buffalo's drive is capable of over 100MB/s, should it not be performing at the cap of USB 2.0 speeds in USB2 mode (instead of capping at 36MB/s)? Maybe I've been wrong all along assuming the bridge chips were the issue with USB 2 not reaching its full potential in devices. So confused :(
     
  13. Svengali

    Svengali Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    198
    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Any possibility of seeing an eVGA Classified update with USB 3.0/SATA III in the near future?
     
  14. bystander

    bystander n00b

    Messages:
    43
    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2005
    I think the bigger plugs are needed because USB 3.0 also delivers more power.
     
  15. CMD

    CMD Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    382
    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2009
    So is USB 3.0 too fast for Readyboost? Will Win7 think it's a cheap SSD and not enable Readyboost?
     
  16. maxius

    maxius 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    3,350
    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2001
    kyle great work dont forget about the gigabyte amd boards with usb3 and sata6 they are showing up at newegg
     
  17. ScourggeFX

    ScourggeFX Gawd

    Messages:
    609
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2003
    I wonder if this new standard means external video cards may become more commonplace in the future, especially for laptops?
     
  18. adonn78

    adonn78 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    413
    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2006
    I can't wait for HD webcams to come out in USB 3.0. Just imagine 720P and 1080P webcams at 30FPS - 60FPS with no lag and syncing perfectly with the audio. And a larege window to clearly see the other person. I hope Logitech updates their product line with USB 3.0 soon. Right now the internet and our broadband And out comptuers are more than fast enough for HD webcams. The only thing holding us back is the speed of the USB 2.0 bus. Remember how slow USB 1.1 webcams were? when I upgraded from a logitech 4000pro to an Orbit AF I noticed a huge difference in speed.:eek:
     
  19. jwalk6

    jwalk6 [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,039
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2009
    So theoretically USB 3.0 is faster than SATA 2. I noticed the falloff on the chart as the dataset grew.
    Is this an indication that we're approaching the limits of copper? USB 2.0 looked pretty flat across the board.

    I wonder if at some point in the future that SATA will go the way of IDE and everything will just plug in to a USB interface. Maybe a new low cost single interface option for SFF Pc's?
     
  20. siliconnerd

    siliconnerd [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,768
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    1080p can be streamed over USB 2.0 just fine... :rolleyes: Even Blu-ray discs only has a maximum transfer speed of 36 Mbit/s...
     
  21. siliconnerd

    siliconnerd [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,768
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2002
    No, that is the limits of a rotating hard disk. The transfer speed on the outside of the disc is faster than the inside. If you look at harddrive reviews for internal drives, you see the same thing.
     
  22. Makaveli@BETA

    Makaveli@BETA 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,302
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2004
    Would it be possible to test a Hard drive in ESATA and add it into this mini review?
     
  23. DogChainX

    DogChainX [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    2,026
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2004
    Can't wait! Right now 18 hours to backup 2TB worth of info over USB is painful. Sure, I can use eSATA but the plug'n play and universal support isn't all that great!
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2009
  24. R0N1

    R0N1 [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,174
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2005
    It's nice that USB gets updated. Especially for all external hard drives. Hopefully USB3 devices will become available much sooner, although even Intel doesn't still have a chipset supporting it.
     
  25. tubular

    tubular Gawd

    Messages:
    982
    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Color me ridiculously excited

    This will help a TON with my high-res camera workflow
     
  26. Anemone

    Anemone Gawd

    Messages:
    892
    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2004
    Remember also that it matters how the USB 3 chip is hooked to the chipset. x1 pci-e isn't enough bandwidth, and many "bolt on" chips use just a simple single lane.

    It's nearly idiotic for Intel to have not put this into it's chipsets so far. But that's the nature of things with no competition.
     
  27. One question though.

    From what I understand of the Gigabyte boards, the USB3 controllers are stealing bandwidth from your PCI-E connections. Or at least this is what I was lead to believe. Am I incorrect on this?

    If I'm right, I wouldn't want to be using one of these devices on a gaming box until we get some second or third-gen chipsets out there that don't behave in this fashion.
     
  28. tremor

    tremor [H]Lite

    Messages:
    84
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2003
    And what happens when Intel blows into the market with Light Peak and it's 10Gbps bandwidth? I'm hoping that USB 3 will just hang off of that (crosses fingers).
     
  29. Hawk88

    Hawk88 [H]Lite

    Messages:
    69
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2007
    One of the main things I am looking forward to is 3.0 usb key drives. Maybe we can have 32Gb drives on our keychains that actually is not a pain in the ass to transfer data to and from.
     
  30. Bunkey

    Bunkey [H]Lite

    Messages:
    72
    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2008
    I thought I read USB 3.0 was going to be delayed to 2012. That it couldn't be done on the normal motherboard chipsets and required a separate IC, circuit chip to run? Are these motherboards running such an IC? And didn't they jump SATA 3 name to SATA 6, I guess to reflect the 600 speed?
     
  31. Epitaph64

    Epitaph64 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    156
    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2009
    Glad I bought that new Asus Premium mobo even more now!
     
  32. kencheeto

    kencheeto 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,851
    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2008
    I'd be as interested in power capability of USB 3.0 just as much as bandwidth. Having two plugs for an external dvd-rw is a PITA.
     
  33. Makaveli@BETA

    Makaveli@BETA 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,302
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2004
    What plug n play and universal support issues are you speaking of. Even on my older Nforce4 board ESATA works fine plug and play!
     
  34. mashie

    mashie Mawd Gawd

    Messages:
    4,173
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2000
    Are there any USB3.0 PCIe cards on the horizon?
     
  35. vengence

    vengence Level capped

    Messages:
    18,471
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2007
    Awesome, all we need now is gulftown and a revised classified and I'll be good for my next build!
     
  36. mashie

    mashie Mawd Gawd

    Messages:
    4,173
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2000
    Ignore my post above, it seems one controller card is out already and I wouldn't mind using that in addition to this for some hassle free backup jobs.
     
  37. ShiShKaBoB

    ShiShKaBoB Gawd

    Messages:
    832
    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2004
    Yes, please.
     
  38. grizzed

    grizzed Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    171
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2006
    I'll be upgrading to i7 as soon as Gigabyte comes out with a micro with USB3
     
  39. Elledan

    Elledan [H]ard|DCer of the Month - April 2010

    Messages:
    15,885
    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2001
    It's too bad that USB 3.0 will never if rarely adopted for digital cameras and such, though. The micro USB plug is just too darn big to be useful. The mini Firewire plug on the other hand is nice and compact and 800 Mb FW is pretty zippy, though S3200 would be very welcome at this point (has officially been available since 2007).

    The 3 meter maximum cable length and inability to plug USB 3.0 B and micro plugs into USB 2.0 devices also doesn't help matters. I'll definitely be skipping USB 3.0 and going with Firewire and possibly Lightpeak if it comes out.
     
  40. gee

    gee Electronics Wizard

    Messages:
    2,119
    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2000
    Agreed.

    I personally wonder why they didn't add power pins to eSATA.