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UPS recommendations

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Going through NewEgg, they seem to have OPTI-UPS as the defacto-standard. Does it make a difference or is OPTI-UPS really that good?
 
Ok, so I've read about UPS's, and I've come to the conclusion that I want an Online UPS. However NewEgg doesn't say whether any of their UPS's are Online or not.

Anyone know of any good Online UPS's?
 
Liebert makes some excellent online UPS's. I picked up my 1500va model for an excellent price on ebay.
 
Karma said:
Ok, so I've read about UPS's, and I've come to the conclusion that I want an Online UPS. However NewEgg doesn't say whether any of their UPS's are Online or not.

Anyone know of any good Online UPS's?
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Most consumer UPSs are Line-interactive UPSs, with true online UPSs aimed at smaller and big companies. This is because although online UPSs are 'safer', they're also a lot more expensive.

For most (non-mission critical) situations a line-interactive UPS is more than sufficient.
 
Why APC instead of OPTI-UPS?

And,...........dang they are expensive. Any specific model? ;)
 
I hate to say it, but the NewEgg user reviews rates the OPTI-UPS higher than APC. Any specific reason to get APC instead of OPTI-UPS?
 
Karma said:
I hate to say it, but the NewEgg user reviews rates the OPTI-UPS higher than APC. Any specific reason to get APC instead of OPTI-UPS?
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They also rate the Powmax 580W as their best PSU, too. :p
 
What do you guys think about Belkin UPS's vs APC UPS's? I've seen a couple of reviews that pitted top models against each other and the last one i saw put the Belkin ahead. It was the Belkin 1200VA model vs a top APC model.
 
dandragonrage said:
I don't like Belkin ANYTHING
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I use a Belkin Maximum Series surge protector and its done a good job at protecting my modem from lightning strikes. The reviews i've seen for Belkin UPS's have always been good. Belkin products are quite a bit cheaper then APC products.
 
burningrave101 said:
I use a Belkin Maximum Series surge protector and its done a good job at protecting my modem from lightning strikes. The reviews i've seen for Belkin UPS's have always been good. Belkin products are quite a bit cheaper then APC products.
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None of that says that Belkin is better than APC (which it is not, regardless of whether you like Belkin or not - unless you compare to the HORRIBLE APC BackUPS ES models that should never be used for anything that uses AC power for anything more than rectification back to DC)
 
I just got my Cyberpower UPS today actually. Its this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16842102004

Its nothing special, just enough for my needs. So far everything is fine, going to let it charge up some more then simulate a power failure by unpluggin it from the wall, and then ill see if it does it job, and shuts down the computer in 3 minutes like I got it set to.
 
dandragonrage said:
None of that says that Belkin is better than APC (which it is not, regardless of whether you like Belkin or not - unless you compare to the HORRIBLE APC BackUPS ES models that should never be used for anything that uses AC power for anything more than rectification back to DC)
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I never said Belkin was better then APC but have you ever even used a Belkin UPS? Probably not. Can you provide any reviews that show the APC units are noticeably better then the Belkin units? Probably not. There have been a few reviews i've seen that pitted a Belkin vs an APC and the Belkin has always done well or better.

http://www.gamingin3d.com/reviews/ups/

If you like APC then buy APC but most Belkin UPS's are just as good from what i've seen and their cheaper.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16842101222

BTW, how long do you guys think the Belkin 750VA 400w model would power a rig with these specs:

X2 4400+ 2MB L2
DFI NF4 Ultra-D
2x1024MB Crucial RAM
BFG 7800GTX
20.1" Dell 2005FPW LCD

A friend of mine said your not suppost to exceed the rated power draw of the UPS or it will blow a fuse or something. Is that correct? Does that mean i'm going to have to get an even larger UPS or will this one work fine for AVR and 10 minutes or so backup time.
 
I first had a Cyberpower unit which actually shot my server in the head more often than I had city power fail. Great work. The on/off switch is so flimsy I think it was the cause of the problems. I got an APC for my server now and the Cyberpower is on my coffeemaker.
 
Can someone answer my qustion about exceeding the power rating because i'd like to order one here in a few minutes. Thanks.
 
burningrave101 said:
That doesn't answer my question. I'm wondering what happens if the system pulls more then 400w. Will it just drain the battery faster or will the UPS blow a fuse or something.
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Well you shouldn't be drawing more than 400w with hardware list you provided. That being said I don't have experience on the inside of a UPS I do on a PSU but it should just draw faster unless you seriously exceed the rating and the manufacturer cut corners on construction quality.

Edit: as such if you are really concerned get Ice Czar or another regular's opinion also.
 
Most good UPS's like my APC SmartUPS will beep and warn you when you overload them, even when they're on AC power. I'd say you'd be likely to overheat and blow something or distort the output sine wave of the AC power from the UPS if you overload it.

That's another thing; get a SmartUPS or a Liebert because they output a TRUE SINE WAVE, not a step wave like cheap UPS's. I ordered a Belkin UPS before and it came broken from the shipper(don't know who's fault it was), never had problems with my APC's, even the cheapies. My Pentium M desktop only registers 22% load when its going hard out with the monitor, 6600, 1GB of RAM, and speakers running from the 750VA SmartUPS. I've never used Liebert but I've heard good things about them so I'd go with a SmartUPS or a Liebert line interactive model.
 
I still haven't heard a good reason to pick APC over anything else, only typical !!!!!! responses. The Gamingin3D article narrowly rated the Belkin over the APC, although the article isn't dated, and it could be old.
 
Karma said:
I still haven't heard a good reason to pick APC over anything else, only typical !!!!!! responses. The Gamingin3D article narrowly rated the Belkin over the APC, although the article isn't dated, and it could be old.
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The article was from 2004. There are plenty of Belkin UPS reviews on the net. Just do a google search. I picked that one because it put it against a higher-end APC.

I think i may go with the Belkin 900VA just to be on the safe side. That will provide me with 540w and its only $66 + shipping.

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProd...t_Id=&Section_Id=76&pcount=&Product_Id=171926
 
Karma said:
I hate to say it, but the NewEgg user reviews rates the OPTI-UPS higher than APC. Any specific reason to get APC instead of OPTI-UPS?
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I had a many page long thread going a while back about how newegg apparently doctors their reviews. They deleted my bad posts and mysteriously added 100 new positive ones to a product the day that they started a special on it. Many users are angry at them for this. DONT trust newegg user reviews. They are total BS.
 
MiXdNuTs said:
I had a many page long thread going a while back about how newegg apparently doctors their reviews. They deleted my bad posts and mysteriously added 100 new positive ones to a product the day that they started a special on it. Many users are angry at them for this. DONT trust newegg user reviews. They are total BS.
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Newegg adds the reviews they want to and leave out the ones they dont. I know i've had a few of my reviews rejected for no good reason.
 
BossNoodleKaboodle said:
get a SmartUPS or a Liebert because they output a TRUE SINE WAVE, not a step wave like cheap UPS's.
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I've read the above statement more than once in this forum, and it's usually stated by one of the resident power guru's. Personally i'd take their advice if you can afford it.

In regards to Belkin UPS's i've seen a lot of negative user feedback on them. Now of course people may have been overloading them, or they may have been damaged in transit, but you get the idea.

Bottom line is: if you can afford better, go for it, if not then a Belkin would likely be just fine (imho), just buy a tad bigger than what you need, and search for Belkin's coupon code for 50% off.

BTW, here's a popular merchant that sells reconditioned ups's: http://www.refurbups.com/refurbups and they seem to have plenty of APC Smart-UPs's in stock.
 
SJetski71 said:
BTW, here's a popular merchant that sells reconditioned ups's: http://www.refurbups.com/refurbups and they seem to have plenty of APC Smart-UPs's in stock.
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I'm thinking of picking up a 1000VA from them, but I've got a question - it has 8 outlets, but doesn't say how many of those are battery back up.
I need some surge protection only outlets for my laser printer and speakers.
 
tdg said:
^^ APC or nothing.
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Liebert pwns APC :p IMO ;)

of course they do make some slightly smaller UPSs :p
if you haunt ebay its quite common to find a $700 GXT Series for a fraction of the cost
seen both the modern and the older versions all are double inverter true online UPSs ;)

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1.3. SYSTEM DESCRIPTION

1.3.1 Modes of Operation

The UPS is designed to operate as a true on-line double conversion system in the following modes:

A. Normal - In normal operation incoming AC power is fed to the input power factor corrected (PFC) rectifier that converts the AC power to DC power for the inverter. In this mode, power is also derived from utility power for the battery charger. The inverter derives DC power from either the PFC rectifier or the battery and regenerates filtered and regulated AC sinewave power for the connected load. The battery will be charged once the unit is connected to utility power, regardless of whether the UPS is ON or OFF.
In the event of a utility outage or severe abnormality (sag or swell), the inverter will support the connected load from battery power, until the battery is discharged or the utility returns; whichever occurs first.

B. Battery - Upon failure of utility / mains AC power, the critical AC load is supplied by the inverter, which obtains power from the battery. There is no interruption in power to the critical load upon failure or restoration of the utility / mains AC source.

C. Recharge - Upon restoration of utility / mains AC power, after a utility / mains AC power outage, the input converter automatically restarts and assumes supplying power to the inverter and the battery charger to recharge the battery.

D. Automatic Restart - Upon restoration of utility / mains AC power, after a utility mains AC power outage and complete battery discharge, the UPS automatically restarts and assumes supplying power to the critical load and the battery charger automatically recharges the battery. This feature shall be capable of being disabled by the user.

E. Bypass - The integral bypass performs an automatic transfer of the critical AC load from the inverter to the bypass source, in the event of an overload, PFC failure, over temperature, DC Bus over voltage, or inverter failure conditions.
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EnderW said:
I'm thinking of picking up a 1000VA from them, but I've got a question - it has 8 outlets, but doesn't say how many of those are battery back up.
I need some surge protection only outlets for my laser printer and speakers.
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depending on the size/strength of the unit, i'd venture to guess that 4 are active and 4 are bypass/surge only, its a safe assumption at least.
 
The best feature of APC is their insurance, it covers everything connected to the UPSshould it fail for some reason, up to $150,000 I believe.

I have also heard good things about them responding quickly to claims.

it's all I use at work, good stuff.
 
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