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UPS for ZFS NAS

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I am building a NAS (build thread here) and still need to purchase a UPS. I have a rough idea what I need, but I want to make sure that I'm not missing any of the finer points.

These are the purchased components

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CPU: Intel Core i3-4160
RAM: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered 1600 1.35V CT2KIT102472BD160B
MOBO: SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SL7-F-O
PSU: Seasonic SS-660XP2 ATX 12V/EPS 12V, 660W, 80 PLUS PLATINUM
CASE: Rosewill RSV-L4500
HDD: 7 x HGST NAS 4TB 7200 H3IKNAS40003272SN (1 is a cold spare)
USB: 2 x Kingston DataTraveler SE9 8GB USB 2.0 DTSE9H/8GBZ

The porpose of the UPS is essentially to give the system the minute or so needed to gracefully power down the NAS in the event of a power interruption.

From what I understand, I'm essentially looking at a line-interactive UPS with USB communications port and a pure sine output because the PSU I bought has Active PFC. Online UPS are much more money, less efficient and from what I understand, and unnecesary with regards to switchover time because from what I understand PSU's usually tolerate the <10 ms switchover time of the majority of line-interactive UPS. I haven't come across much information about offline UPS. I'm not actually sure how brownouts affect modern PSU's. Even though I've never had an issue with brownouts in the area, I'm not sure I would want to risk that with an offline UPS.

I took a look at the used UPS market in the surrounding area and found one &#822;t&#822;h&#822;r&#822;e&#822;e&#822; possible contender(s).

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  2. APC Smart-UPS 750VA USB & Serial 120V SUA750 | $220 | 500 Watts / 750 VA | Waveform Type: Sine wave | Minimal use during a flood last year | USB port |
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Because option 2 is a good deal and will provide sufficient power to the NAS at all times except perhaps power-on. I am wondering if, as a line-interactive UPS, it would be suitible for my application. It is also a current APC model and appears to be of better quality than the other two (although I'm note entirely sure why that is). The largest difference that I could spot was that the output is a pure sine wave.

We know that the power draw after the disks have spun up is significantly less than the start-up power draw. If the required power exceeds the rated output of the UPS only during start-up, does that mean that I will only be unable to start-up when the UPS is operating off the battery, or does it mean that I would be unable to turn on the computer while it is plugged into the UPS, regardless of whether the UPS is not running off the batteries? For example, the PSU I bought is 660W and the maximum draw from the PSU is something like 750 W (660W/eff.), so a 780 W UPS will a never have any issues in this regard. However, let's say that after upgrading to 12 spinning disk in the NAS that the power-on wattage requirement is more than 500 W. Will this system boot when plugged into the UPS as long at power is running to it (i.e. the UPS is not running off battery)?

If this used UPS isn't a viable option, what would you suggest to buy new?
 
I always recommended an apc smart-ups 1500 it is my go to ups for over a decade.
You can pick up a used one and add new batteries or a refurb with new batteries for not that high a price if you can't afford a new one.
Batteries are about $80 every 3-4 years.
 
I always recommended an apc smart-ups 1500 it is my go to ups for over a decade.
You can pick up a used one and add new batteries or a refurb with new batteries for not that high a price if you can't afford a new one.
Batteries are about $80 every 3-4 years.

It looks like the 120V tower LCD SMT1500 is the one I'd be looking at go with. The SMT1500RM1U seems even more costly for the rackmount version.

The APC UPS seems to cost a fair bit more than its CyberPower counterpart and I understand that especially in the world of electronics, you often get what you pay for. However, sometimes that is not always the case. Why is the CyberPower so much less expensive? Does it lack come features of the APC? Does it use cheaper components? Does the APC just have larger batteries? Or is it simply that with the APC that you are paying a premium for the brand name and the peace of mind that they are reliable?

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD - PFC Sinewave UPS Systems 1500VA / 900W | 200&#8211;250 CAD
APC Smart-UPS 1500VA LCD 120V SMT1500 1000 Watts / 1440 VA | 490&#8211;700 CAD
 
The APC UPS seems to cost a fair bit more than its CyberPower counterpart

I recommend purchasing a refirb APC SmartUPS. These will go (on eBay and other outlets) for $200 or less shipped with new batteries.
 
Eh to SmartUPS. Take Eaton/Powerware and Emerson/Liebert over APC, even the SmartUPS stuff, any day. I've gotten Liebert GXT2s super cheap (though the fan noise on them is bad). Right now I use a Dell 1000W(not VA) UPS made by Eaton. It's been great. I haven't had any issues with Eaton or Emerson demanding battery calibrations in order to work at all. Have had that issue with APC both at home and at work. SmartUPS isn't the worst option for sure but it's definitely not something I'd recommend unless you can't find Eaton/Emerson stuff on the cheap.

Cyberpower is, for some reason, loved on this site. But you get what you pay for. It's a cheap transformerless unit and that has drawbacks. It's not the worst choice of electronic devices to plug into your wall, but personally I wouldn't do it.
 
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Cyberpower is, for some reason, loved on this site. But you get what you pay for. It's a cheap transformerless unit and that has drawbacks. It's not the worst choice of electronic devices to plug into your wall, but personally I wouldn't do it.
Transformerless, eh. Sounds like lots of digital circuitry that is more likely to fail. The price seemed too good to be true!
 
The price seemed too good to be true!

The CP1500PFCLCD has around 1/2 the battery capacity of the APC SmartUPS 1500 and is targeted for desktops while the SmartUPS is a server grade UPS.
 
Take Eaton/Powerware and Emerson/Liebert over APC, even the SmartUPS stuff, any day. I've gotten Liebert GXT2s super cheap (though the fan noise on them is bad). Right now I use a Dell 1000W(not VA) UPS made by Eaton. It's been great. [&#8230;] SmartUPS isn't the worst option for sure but it's definitely not something I'd recommend unless you can't find Eaton/Emerson stuff on the cheap.

So you'd recommend a Liebert GXT2 or a Dell 1000W, or are there newer or alternatives I should also look out for used or refurbished?
 
The CP1500PFCLCD has around 1/2 the battery capacity of the APC SmartUPS 1500 and is targeted for desktops while the SmartUPS is a server grade UPS.

I could live with the lower battery life. The only purpose of this UPS is to allow an automatic graceful shutdown. But I'm not sure what to think about a transformerless line-interactive UPS.
 
Another advantage of apc is batteries are available all over and at good prices.
I just checked and the batteries for the Eaton 5p1500 are well over twice that of the 1500 smart-ups.
 
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Another advantage of apc is batteries are available all over and at good prices.
I just checked and the batteries for the Eaton 5p1500 are well over twice that of the 1500 smart-ups.

Right &#8230; The parts &#8230; It's always the parts! Der hintergedanke. Should have known to look for that.
 
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Another advantage of apc is batteries are available all over and at good prices.
I just checked and the batteries for the Eaton 5p1500 are well over twice that of the 1500 smart-ups.

Almost all UPS use either standard/AGM lead-acid 12v 7Ah or 12v 12Ah batteries, so your research was clearly lacking there and not valid for justification of the product you're familiar with (especially when you haven't tried the others and I have used all 3 brands personally). If you can't find cheap replacement batteries for ANY UPS, it's your own fault. And tell him about those APC power strips that got recalled for a fire hazard. That's a feature Emerson and Eaton haven't copied; )

And yes, I have replaced batteries on these units. They are standard.

So you'd recommend a Liebert GXT2 or a Dell 1000W, or are there newer or alternatives I should also look out for used or refurbished?

There's a GXT3 for Liebert that you could also get but you won't likely find any used for cheap. GXT2 is still great though. And the Dell 1000W (I think it's K788N but don't quote me - that's from memory) is still great and not all that old a model for UPS (which tend to have long lives since they are reasonably simple). Lots of Eaton-branded units out there are fine but they have a wider range and I can't describe their product offerings completely. But basically anything not ancient that is double conversion / "online" is suitable for a server. Do try to find out the age of the batteries, though, because if they are rather old, you might need to replace them soon. That goes for APC as well, of course.

You aren't a complete moron if you choose SmartUPS over Emerson/Eaton but, eh, it's just not as good.

I would say that choosing BackUPS would be a terrible choice and I wouldn't recommend them even for grandma's tablet, but fortunately that garbage isn't really being recommended here. I'd actually take Cyberpower before BackUPS.
 
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The CP1500PFCLCD has around 1/2 the battery capacity of the APC SmartUPS 1500 and is targeted for desktops while the SmartUPS is a server grade UPS.

I could live with the lower battery life. The only purpose of this UPS is to allow an automatic graceful shutdown. But I'm not sure what to think about a transformerless line-interactive UPS.
 
But basically anything not ancient that is double conversion / "online" is suitable for a server. Do try to find out the age of the batteries, though, because if they are rather old, you might need to replace them soon. That goes for APC as well, of course.

You aren't a complete moron if you choose SmartUPS over Emerson/Eaton but, eh, it's just not as good
Is that because the SmartUPS is line-interactive and the Emerson/Eaton mentioned are online, or a more with the reputation of the companies (e.g that recall)? I understand the benefits of online over line-interactive, but that's at the cost of efficiency.

Again, I'm just needing a graceful shutdown. What sorts of sensitive equipment typically warrant the specification of an online UPS? I can see this being necessary in data centres alongside a backup generator, but what other scenarios are there (more for the interest that the discussion is bringing up) that warrant online UPS?
 
The Eatons and Emerson that I have found in the same price range as the smart-ups are line-interactive.
To get online you have to spend much more as far as I found.
If there is an exception to that I am interested in knowing about it.
 
Again, I'm just needing a graceful shutdown. What sorts of sensitive equipment typically warrant the specification of an online UPS? I can see this being necessary in data centres alongside a backup generator, but what other scenarios are there (more for the interest that the discussion is bringing up) that warrant online UPS?
medical and scientific is another area that often need an online ups.
Some of the devices have them built in.
 
Dell 1000W (I think it's K788N but don't quote me - that's from memory) is still

great and not all that old a model for UPS (which tend to have long lives since they are reasonably simple).
Looks like you were close for the 1920W model
100/120V Models: 1000R LV (H919N), 1000W | 1920R LV (K792N), 1920W

I looked at the used market in the area and found these:

The Eatons and Emerson that I have found in the same price range as the smart-ups are line-interactive.
To get online you have to spend much more as far as I found.
If there is an exception to that I am interested in knowing about it.

These are all online UPS.

1. Liebert GXT2-1500RT120
Driver for NUT may be experimental
Working driver:
SUPPORTED HARDWARE

This driver supports some Liebert UPS equipment with a contact-closure interface. This includes the UPStation GXT2 with their contact-closure cable. The smart mode ("Multilink") cable is not supported by this driver.

Experimental Driver:
NAME

liebert-esp2 - Driver for Liebert UPS, using the ESP-II serial protocol
NOTE

This man page only documents the hardware-specific features of the liebert-esp2 driver. For information about the core driver, see nutupsdrv(8).
SUPPORTED HARDWARE

This is an experimental driver. You have been warned.
EXTRA ARGUMENTS

This driver supports the following optional settings in ups.conf(5):
baudrate=num
Set the speed of the serial connection - 1200, 2400 (default), 4800, 9600 or 19200.

Liebert® GXT2U&#8482; - Emerson Network Power
The Liebert GXT2U is a compact, &#8220;on-line&#8221; UPS. An on-line UPS continuously conditions and regulates its output voltage, whether utility power is present or not. It supplies connected equipment with clean sinewave power. Sensitive electronic equipment operates best from sinewave power.
Liebert GXT2-1500RT120 UPS 200 CAD

The Liebert GXT leads the industry in combining small size, high capacity and multiple features. This true on-line, double-conversion UPS includes features such as power factor correction, internal batteries, frequency conversion, unlimited external battery connectability and internal bypass capability. This unit has been used for 6 months only. New replacement costs is $959 for the GXT3 (2012 model) and asking $200.
Main Features
UPS
External
1500 VA power capacity
5 min battery run time (up to)
1.05 kW power provided
AC 100/110/115/120/127 V

2. Next is a Powerware PW9125-3000G.

This is also an "Online UPS design with pure sine wave output". It appears to have a fully functioning driver for NUT. However, it looks like this PW9125-3000G is a 208V default; 230, 240V selectable unit and won't work with 120V equipment. However, the seller has listed the PDM module as having a 120/240V output. Which of these units would actually output to the computer?

The fact that this unit consists of three separate modules: 1) 2500-3000 VA Powerware 9125 uninterruptible power system (UPS), 2) optional Extended Battery Module [EBM], 3) PowerPass Distribution Module [PDM] is making it difficult to figure out if this would work for 120V equipment. Perhaps someone familiar with this sort of setup can shed some light on this.
Here is the manual for the PDM 1392_PPDM.pdf

Powerware UPS Server Backup Power Supply PW9125 72 EBM E 300 CAD

Powerware UPS System
Contains The Following
1) Eaton Powerware PW9125 3000G 3000VA Rack mountable UPS
Input: 208/220/230/240 Volt, 50/60 HZ
Input: 72V,29A
Output: 208/220/230/240 Volt, 50/60 HZ
2)Powerware pw9125 72 EBM E
Input: 72V,33A
Output:72V,33A

Use only with PW9125 2500x-3000x Models
3)PowerWare PDM1 - HV - US - P4
Input:120/240V. 50/60 HZ
Output:120/240V. 50/60 HZ
2880VA

3. Eaton Powermate 9130 PW1930L1500T-XL
Topology: Online, double-conversion
Driver for NUT looks good.

Uninterruptible Power Supply EATON 9130 UPS 1500VA PW1930l1500T 400 CAD

New Never used Eaton Powermate 9130 UPS. Tested and everthing works fine.
Model: PW1930L1500T-XL
Part Number: 103006428-6591
SN: GE413A0581
 
Is that because the SmartUPS is line-interactive and the Emerson/Eaton mentioned are online, or a more with the reputation of the companies (e.g that recall)? I understand the benefits of online over line-interactive, but that's at the cost of efficiency.

Several models in the SmartUPS range are online. Maybe all of them these days but I'm not sure. Most of the time a UPS that has the fan running any time there is load is online. The advantage of online UPS are that there is no reaction time. Some equipment is sensitive to even small power blips you get from standby models. Downsides are that you typically get fan noise most or all of the time (it's not bad to me with my Dell, but it was a lot worse with the GXT2 I had until I fanmodded it to be less bad). and you have to eat the few percent of efficiency loss from the UPS. I do have an APC SUA2200XL and it's also online. It has the same drawbacks as an Emerson or Eaton online UPS. Also a benefit of online UPS is that they are simply built to a higher quality. They are more enterprise-oriented. You won't find any server rack with a standby UPS installed. Another upside of an online UPS is that you can more safely use them with a generator because unless you have a high-quality inverter generator from a company like Honda, you do NOT want to run generator power into a computer. Even with the Honda inverter generators, I'd still much prefer to use a quality UPS for safety. That said, I know from experience that even high-end UPS won't work well if your generator is very low quality like a "Sportsman" branded one I once borrowed. That generator was only around $300 or so and the power it made was so dirty that it ended up only being useful for my refrigerator which actually sounded pretty sickly while on that dirty power.

For the Eaton PDM that you mentioned, it looks like it takes 240v in and has a step-down transformer for 120v out. So it would work fine if you can actually supply the UPS with an input voltage it wants. If you did, you could then run your PC on 240v (assuming your PSU is decent enough to support it which it likely is) for an efficiency increase of around 0.5% to 1%. But if you do this, you'll need to be careful that you don't accidentally plug a 240v cord into the wrong piece of equipment that may not support 240v. Buy a different color power cord like orange or red for the 240v line if you do this. It'll help keep you from plugging it into a 120v monitor by mistake.

I will point out that it is certainly harder to find Emerson and Eaton at a price as cheap as you can get SmartUPS stuff... but...

-I bought a Liebert GXT2 1500va w/ rack-rails for around $120 shipped
-I bought my SUA2200XL for around $250 shipped - I know I'm trying to compare TO APC but I figured I'd include this since it's much larger than the typical cheap SmartUPS stuff
-I bought my Dell K788N (btw, I verified last night that K788N is the one I have - 120v 1000w) for somewhere around $100-150 shipped (I forget the exact price)

Have seen plenty of other GXT2 and Eaton units for cheap, even if not as many as I have seen SmartUPS for cheap.

Oh, and given that that Eaton includes the battery unit and the PDU w/ step-down, I think it's a good price (unless maybe the batteries inside are old and dead... if they are included at all). Even with APC you would have a hard time meeting that price if you added on those extras. Though if you don't feel you need a ton of runtime then it still could be a waste of money for you. But, again, it doesn't look like it will take 120v input (very few UPS if any at all can take 120v-240v input) so you'd need to run a 240v line.
 
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For the Eaton PDM that you mentioned, it looks like it takes 240v in and has a step-down transformer for 120v out. So it would work fine if you can actually supply the UPS with an input voltage it wants. *emphasis added

I'm assuming all the modules are compatible and work like this. 120 V supply &#8594; PDM 240 V out &#8594; UPS 240 V Out &#8594; PSU; while UPS &#8596; 72V,33A in/out EBM

If you did, you could then run your PC on 240v (assuming your PSU is decent enough to support it which it likely is) for an efficiency increase of around 0.5% to 1%. But if you do this, you'll need to be careful that you don't accidentally plug a 240v cord into the wrong piece of equipment that may not support 240v. Buy a different color power cord like orange or red for the 240v line if you do this. It'll help keep you from plugging it into a 120v monitor by mistake.
Looks like you are correct
PSU: Platinum-660 (SS-660XP2 Active PFC F3)
Input Voltage: 100 - 240 V
Input Frequency Range: 50/60 Hz

Oh, and given that that Eaton includes the battery unit and the PDU w/ step-down, I think it's a good price (unless maybe the batteries inside are old and dead... if they are included at all). Even with APC you would have a hard time meeting that price if you added on those extras. Though if you don't feel you need a ton of runtime then it still could be a waste of money for you. But, again, it doesn't look like it will take 120v input (very few UPS if any at all can take 120v-240v input) so you'd need to run a 240v line.

Eaton PW9130L1500T-X
Electrical Input
Connection
(1) NEMA 5-15P
5-15P
Input Cord 6 ft line cord
Input Voltage Range 80-144 Vac
Nominal Voltage 120 VAC
Nominal Current 12.5 A
Breaker Ratings 15A

Looks legit
 
Oh, okay. My misunderstanding as it seems like an odd combination to run it that way (having a PDU w/ step-down transformer for a 120V UPS, that is - I saw the step-down and somehow just assumed that was because the UPS was 240v, but I guess they just bought that PDU because they got a deal or it was just available or whatever rather than needing the transformer). The PDU is not described as having a step UP transformer so it's not set up to deliver 240v output but other than that, should be fine then. Transformers can work either direction but this PDU is probably not able to use the transformer backwards as a step-up. Interestingly the "P4" part of the model doesn't seem to be mentioned in the PDF.

You don't even need a PDU if your UPS is the correct voltage and has enough outputs for you. You could actually just resell it or something if you wanted. Probably wouldn't get a ton of money for it, though, and it'll be somewhat heavy so shipping it out'd be a pain.
 
Downsides are that you typically get fan noise most or all of the time (it's not bad to me with my Dell, but it was a lot worse with the GXT2 I had until I fanmodded it to be less bad). and you have to eat the few percent of efficiency loss from the UPS. I do have an APC SUA2200XL and it's also online. It has the same drawbacks as an Emerson or Eaton online UPS.
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I will point out that it is certainly harder to find Emerson and Eaton at a price as cheap as you can get SmartUPS stuff... but...

-I bought a Liebert GXT2 1500va w/ rack-rails for around $120 shipped
-I bought my SUA2200XL for around $250 shipped - I know I'm trying to compare TO APC but I figured I'd include this since it's much larger than the typical cheap SmartUPS stuff
-I bought my Dell K788N (btw, I verified last night that K788N is the one I have - 120v 1000w) for somewhere around $100-150 shipped (I forget the exact price)

Have seen plenty of other GXT2 and Eaton units for cheap, even if not as many as I have seen SmartUPS for cheap.

So my options look like this:
  1. Liebert GXT2-1500RT120 200 CAD | Loud | Possible experimental driver for NUT
  2. Powerware PW9125-3000G 300 CAD | Stable driver for NUT
  3. Eaton 9130 PW1930L1500T-XL 400 CAD | Stable Driver for NUT
  4. APC SmartUPS 500W Line-interactive 220 CAD
  5. APC SmartUPS SUA3000RM2U 120V Line-Interactive 2U 800 CAD [whaaa!?!]

I'm liking the Powerware and the Eaton options. Between those two, which is likely going to be quieter? Are they both going to be quieter than the Liebert before you modded it?

Interestingly the "P4" part of the model doesn't seem to be mentioned in the PDF.

I noticed that as well.

Oh, okay. My misunderstanding as it seems like an odd combination to run it that way (having a PDU w/ step-down transformer for a 120V UPS, that is - I saw the step-down and somehow just assumed that was because the UPS was 240v, but I guess they just bought that PDU because they got a deal or it was just available or whatever rather than needing the transformer). The PDU is not described as having a step UP transformer so it's not set up to deliver 240v output but other than that, should be fine then. Transformers can work either direction but this PDU is probably not able to use the transformer backwards as a step-up.
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You don't even need a PDU if your UPS is the correct voltage and has enough outputs for you. You could actually just resell it or something if you wanted. Probably wouldn't get a ton of money for it, though, and it'll be somewhat heavy so shipping it out'd be a pain.

I have lots of room in the rack. Apparently it offers additional surge protection. My main concern at this point is noise. 300 CAD and 400 CAD seem like a steal for the Powerware and Eaton UPS here in Canada (international shipping off eBay is usually 70 + CAD)
 
-I bought a Liebert GXT2 1500va w/ rack-rails for around $120 shipped
-I bought my SUA2200XL for around $250 shipped - I know I'm trying to compare TO APC but I figured I'd include this since it's much larger than the typical cheap SmartUPS stuff
-I bought my Dell K788N (btw, I verified last night that K788N is the one I have - 120v 1000w) for somewhere around $100-150 shipped (I forget the exact price)

What software/drivers do you use with these and what O/S's are you using them with? Are you using USB or Serial or some cable that converts the serial signal?
 
What software/drivers do you use with these and what O/S's are you using them with? Are you using USB or Serial or some cable that converts the serial signal?

I use serial whenever I can because it's more compatible (especially with *nix) but to be honest it's probably been 5 years since I've bothered to hook my own UPS up to my PC for monitoring. I certainly should get around to it, though...

http://powerquality.eaton.com/Products-services/Power-Management/Software-Drivers/Intelligent-PM.asp. The easiest option would be the CentOS-based virtual appliance but you can get the required software on certain Linux distros as well.

By the way, my SUA2200XL is louder than my GXT2 was, though it's also got more capacity and is an expandable ((battery module) unit . The smaller ones might be quieter (though they may also use smaller, louder-per-CFM fans). Neither would be approopriate for your living room / home theater room / bedroom (unless you like to have fan noise while you sleep). My Dell K788N is not super quiet but is a lot better for those uses as it is less loud by a lot. But, hey, I'm comparing rack-mountable server UPS to what I will call a "workstation" UPS (that's not an official term) so that's not too surprising.

If your server rack is downstairs or something then I don't see an issue with fan noise for any of them.
 
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If your server rack is downstairs or something then I don't see an issue with fan noise for any of them.
Yeah, it's in the furnace room, but I had a 3com 8-port gigabit router and it sounds like a jet engine is taking off, even when the utility room door is closed and I'm on the main floor!
 
Yeah, it's in the furnace room, but I had a 3com 8-port gigabit router and it sounds like a jet engine is taking off, even when the utility room door is closed and I'm on the main floor!

My Woven LB4 switch was probably louder than any of the UPS in question but I don't know how it would compare to your 3com unit.

The UPS are pretty loud but lower-pitched due to the larger size of the fans so they probably won't bother you as much. But they might still bother you some.
 
Well, everything just arrived today!!
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So it looks like all of these should work with the external COM1 port. I was recommended Network UPS Tools (NUT). I think I'll either be running OpenIndiana or one of the FreeBSD zfs o/s.
 
NUT is fairly common. Should work fine if it supports the model UPS you end up going with. If you go with an APC unit, you can also try apcupsd for free software. But I prefer software not constrained to a specific manufacturer's HW so I'd rather use NUT.

In my experience Eaton units are quieter than the Lieberts but I haven't used anywhere near every model from any of these companies (I doubt anyone here has used the full range from pretty much any brand) so I can't say that 100% certainly. But my Liebert was easy to fanmod and I used variable RPM fans with temp sensors so it wasn't too bad.
 
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My Woven LB4 switch was probably louder than any of the UPS in question but I don't know how it would compare to your 3com unit.

The UPS are pretty loud but lower-pitched due to the larger size of the fans so they probably won't bother you as much. But they might still bother you some.
Nice thing about the apc smart-ups up to the 1500 is silent unless on battery power.
I now have one in my bedroom(1000 model), living room(1500) as well as the office(1500).
 
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