Upgrade or replace

[Outlaw85]

Short story. I have taken a few chances on used 775 motherboards. Results are hit or miss but in the end, not working.
1. (NEW) Mobo works but goes to sleep when the setting is off, then tries to turn on but doesn't repeatedly (fans/lights turn on, before post..turns off). The last time this happened, it wiped the OS.
2. Mobo arrived DOA from everything tested.
3. Mobo works but causing random BSODs. Originally not detecting good RAM in one of the slots.

I have asked this question about upgrading back in Jan '13 but am now wondering if I am just delaying the inevitable. Since then, I have sold the 23" monitor and upgraded the gfx from sli800gts 640s to gtx660 2gb.

If I am to replace another motherboard, I am spending another 60-100+ (40-60 for basic intel board) for sli (gaming) board.

I have been window shopping for a while and looking at a 2600k or something along the xeon line. Recently I did see a i7-950 w/board here fs. Specwise on anandtech, it isn't much different (8 threads, ddr3 and 130w were main difference). I was also looking at xeons equivalent to the 2600k, some of the pricing isn't bad, but they kinda switch pricing (CPU is cheap, board is more expensive for xeon). DDR3 ecc or non isn't bad either.



1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc
first- gaming (Sims 3, Sim City 4, CS:All, SR3, Farcry 2/3, Anno 2070 and prob a few others.), second- media stream to tv.

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
$600USD

3) Which country do you live in? If the U.S, please tell us the state and city if possible
Milwaukee, WI USA

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. The word "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
CPU, CPU Cooler, MOBO, RAM (MON and CASE budget permitting)

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.
PSU- Corsair GS800
CASE- Centurion 590
HDD- WD500GB
ODD- Bluray/DVD

6) Will you be overclocking?
Option is nice but next to no experience and not so great CPU cooler

7) What is the max resolution of your monitor? What size is it?
1280x1024 17"

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?
Sooner than later. Budget is in hand.

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? USB 3.0? SATA 6Gb/s? eSATA? Onboard video (as a backup or main GPU)? UEFI? etc.
Must- RAID, SLI; Optional- USB3.0, eSATA,

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? If yes, what OS? Is it 32bit or 64bit?
Yes, 32/64bit Win7 HP


Current Specs;
CPU- Intel C2Q 9450 Lapped
CPU COOLER- Corsair H60
RAM- OCZ Platinum 4x2GB
GFX- EVGA GTX660 SC 2GB
PSU- CORSAIR GS800
ODD- Bluray/DVD
HDD- WD500GBx2 raid OS, 3x2TB storage
MON- DELL 1708FP
CASE- Centurion 590



What the above doesn't cover and only pending budget used above;
Monitor upgrade is mention above but is getting to the point of must replace. I would like a 27+
Possibly looking to upgrade game server to dual quad xeon and add 16gb ram. 100-200bucks depending on combo
I need a couple PSUs to finish builds~150bucks for both.


I hope that covers everything,
Thanks in advance,
Outlaw

 

[Dangman]

I have asked this question about upgrading back in Jan '13 but am now wondering if I am just delaying the inevitable. Since then, I have sold the 23" monitor and upgraded the gfx from sli800gts 640s to gtx660 2gb.

Yeah you're delaying the inevitable. If you had upgraded earlier this year, you could have saved money on the DDR3 RAM. Now you're going to have to pay the higher pricing for DDR3 RAM.

I have been window shopping for a while and looking at a 2600k or something along the xeon line. Recently I did see a i7-950 w/board here fs. Specwise on anandtech, it isn't much different (8 threads, ddr3 and 130w were main difference). I was also looking at xeons equivalent to the 2600k, some of the pricing isn't bad, but they kinda switch pricing (CPU is cheap, board is more expensive for xeon). DDR3 ecc or non isn't bad either.

Don't look at specs when comparing CPUs. Read actual reviews and benchmarks. Specs cannot ever demonstrate the performance the CPU's or GPU's architecture and design. In this case, the i7-950 is an outdated CPu that's still outperformed by the likes of the 3570K or the 4770K.

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. The word "Everything" is not a valid answer. Please list out all the parts you'll need.
CPU, CPU Cooler, MOBO, RAM (MON and CASE budget permitting)

Here's what I recommend:
$220 - Intel Core i5-4670K CPU
$140 - Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 Motherboard
$70 - Crucial Ballistix BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$29 - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus HSF
$89 - Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD
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Total: $547 shipped.

I included a new SSD to speed up the overall responsiveness of the system. Yes that Samsung SSD will be more responsive than your current WD 500GB drives in RAID 0. That HSF and motherboard will allow for a decent overclock. Though just to make sure I made the right recommendations, what games are you planning on playing?

What the above doesn't cover and only pending budget used above;
Monitor upgrade is mention above but is getting to the point of must replace. I would like a 27+
Possibly looking to upgrade game server to dual quad xeon and add 16gb ram. 100-200bucks depending on combo

So the monitor and the server upgrades are part of completely seperate budgets?

I need a couple PSUs to finish builds~150bucks for both.

Well, what are the specs of those builds? Can't recommend PSUs if we don't know how much power is actually needed by the builds.

 

[Outlaw85]

Thanks for the quick reply!

Yeah you're delaying the inevitable. If you had upgraded earlier this year, you could have saved money on the DDR3 RAM. Now you're going to have to pay the higher pricing for DDR3 RAM.

Don't look at specs when comparing CPUs. Read actual reviews and benchmarks. Specs cannot ever demonstrate the performance the CPU's or GPU's architecture and design. In this case, the i7-950 is an outdated CPu that's still outperformed by the likes of the 3570K or the 4770K.


Here's what I recommend:
$220 - Intel Core i5-4670K CPU
$140 - Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 Motherboard
$70 - Crucial Ballistix BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$29 - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus HSF
$89 - Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD
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Total: $547 shipped.

I included a new SSD to speed up the overall responsiveness of the system. Yes that Samsung SSD will be more responsive than your current WD 500GB drives in RAID 0. That HSF and motherboard will allow for a decent overclock. Though just to make sure I made the right recommendations, what games are you planning on playing?


So the monitor and the server upgrades are part of completely seperate budgets?

Well, what are the specs of those builds? Can't recommend PSUs if we don't know how much power is actually needed by the builds.

GAMING-
Under #1- (Sims 3, Civ5, Sim City 4, CS:All, SR3, Farcry 2/3, Anno 2070 and prob a few others.)

RAM-
Compared to what I had paid for DDR2 when I originally purchased. I am OK with it. lol I know they were cheaper a little while back but didn't have the funds until recently.

SPECS-
I do read reviews, usually from Tom's, Legit, Tech and guru... Not all of them on the same thing. Either way is I don't use a single source. Anandtech's CPU/GPU is nice just for a quick side by side. I do agree real world benches are going to be best at the end of the day.

PARTS LIST-
Thanks for the list. I obviously can't argue it as far as my budget and performance go. My question and possibly challenge would be, is there anything close to it for a little bit better price? Maybe be able to squeeze a monitor in there? This may be the "cheapo" in me but I have also been looking at xeons and iXs in the 90-200 range during my window shopping so it may be sticker shock too.

SSD ADDON-
This is and has been an "issue" for me. While the performance is unmatched, I hate the $/gb ratio still. A 120GB is a lot better but still seems very small for what you can actually store.

MONITOR, SERVER PARTS and PSUs-
Server parts and Monitor were wishlist items for the budget but not necessarily included in it. The monitor would be nice, but the 27+ range it looks like it would be pretty tough even taking the SSD out. Server parts would be great to upgrade the box but not at the front of the list by any means.

The PSU's are nothing major.
1- proprietary Shuttle PSU 20-60 bucks
2- Brothers build (Q9300, 6GB Ram, 500GB, GPU undetermined (at minimum single or sli 8800gts 640mb/s) Thermaltake 550W from local box store was 60 bucks.




What about something like this? 2600K bundle with mobo. They also have a 25" monitor which as a combo would cost a little more than what you posted. I would still need ram which would bring the price up a bit more too. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1798440&highlight=2600k. The i7s are much easier to find than the i5s and slightly cheaper in some cases.

ALSO-
I forgot to mention in original post, but going into the M-ATX would be nice as I would like to downsize the footprint of the tower. Again, this is not mandatory but more of a wishlist item.


Thanks again,
Outlaw

 

[Dangman]

PARTS LIST-
Thanks for the list. I obviously can't argue it as far as my budget and performance go. My question and possibly challenge would be, is there anything close to it for a little bit better price? Maybe be able to squeeze a monitor in there?

I got it in under budget and you want it lower? Well the best way to get drop the price of that setup to fit in a motherboard is to drop your overclocking and SLI requirement. Yes you could drop the SSD but I still highly recomend getting a SSD even if it means you have to keep the setup at stock. Yes it makes that much of a difference IMO:
$200 - Intel Core i5-4570 CPU
$102 - MSI Z87-G41 PC MATE Intel Z87 ATX Motherboard
$70 - Crucial Ballistix BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$89 - Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD
$130 - Acer S231HL BBID 23" LCD Monitor
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Total: $591 shipped.

This may be the "cheapo" in me but I have also been looking at xeons and iXs in the 90-200 range during my window shopping so it may be sticker shock too.

The problem is that you keep looking at the old outdated stuff like the i7 9xxx series and such.

SSD ADDON-
This is and has been an "issue" for me. While the performance is unmatched, I hate the $/gb ratio still. A 120GB is a lot better but still seems very small for what you can actually store.

Because it forces you to really think about you actually need to have installed on the OS drive. I don't even have a SSD yet my OS partition still has 63GB of space left out of a 146GB sized partition with a full Windows install and multiple games installed. It's just a different way of thinking that you should definitely try out.

The PSU's are nothing major.
1- proprietary Shuttle PSU 20-60 bucks
2- Brothers build (Q9300, 6GB Ram, 500GB, GPU undetermined (at minimum single or sli 8800gts 640mb/s) Thermaltake 550W from local box store was 60 bucks.

Go back and return that Thermaltake. Generally, only Thermaltake's Toughpower PSUs are good. Every other Thermaltake PSU is crap. More than likely you got the TR2 550W. The TR2 line is basically TT's shitty power supplies meant for those who don't know any better. So I would highly recommend returning that PSU and grabbing something like the Corsair CX500. If you have to keep that TT PSU, then don't add in any GPU that requires a PCI-E power connector as that should lessen the chance of you forcing the shitty TR2 to work.

What about something like this? 2600K bundle with mobo. They also have a 25" monitor which as a combo would cost a little more than what you posted. I would still need ram which would bring the price up a bit more too. http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1798440&highlight=2600k. The i7s are much easier to find than the i5s and slightly cheaper in some cases.

For someone who's been burned multiple times by going used, I'm surprised you want to do used again. In this case, that setup isn't all that good since that motherboard uses the P67 chipset which means it lacks native SATA 6.0Gb/s. So it's not going to be a good setup if you ever plan on going with SSDs. Not to mention the age of that motherboard as well.

ALSO-
I forgot to mention in original post, but going into the M-ATX would be nice as I would like to downsize the footprint of the tower. Again, this is not mandatory but more of a wishlist item.

I wouldn't go mATX if you're serious about SLI. Not enough space IMO for proper cooling.

 

[Outlaw85]

I got it in under budget and you want it lower? Well the best way to get drop the price of that setup to fit in a motherboard is to drop your overclocking and SLI requirement. Yes you could drop the SSD but I still highly recomend getting a SSD even if it means you have to keep the setup at stock. Yes it makes that much of a difference IMO:
$200 - Intel Core i5-4570 CPU
$102 - MSI Z87-G41 PC MATE Intel Z87 ATX Motherboard
$70 - Crucial Ballistix BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$89 - Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD
$130 - Acer S231HL BBID 23" LCD Monitor
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Total: $591 shipped.

Thanks . I will always want cheaper but do realize there will be compromise. I am usually the one doing the recommending which is easy when it's not your money. lol When it comes to me buying parts for my own build, I start to get cheap and picky. Thanks for the throwing in the Monitor, that looks like a nice one for the price.

The problem is that you keep looking at the old outdated stuff like the i7 9xxx series and such.

I agree and maybe this is where I need to reconsider what I am looking for/expect from what I want to spend. I am OK with being behind in tech if the price saving is decent as well as the performance gains over what I have now is respectable. I did find a Sabertooth x58 and W3570 (between cpu 960-970) for 250 shipped.The last current gen purchase was the E6600 in '07. I then upgraded to the q9450 i have now in '10-'11.

Because it forces you to really think about you actually need to have installed on the OS drive. I don't even have a SSD yet my OS partition still has 63GB of space left out of a 146GB sized partition with a full Windows install and multiple games installed. It's just a different way of thinking that you should definitely try out.

I dont usually have too much on the OS drive besides apps and game installs. Of my 500GB I usually don't break 50% used. The Sims 3+ expansions is about 80GB alone! lol SR3 is in the 10s of GBs also. It just adds up quick once you break down the installs. Other than this, I have no argument against SSDs.

Go back and return that Thermaltake. Generally, only Thermaltake's Toughpower PSUs are good. Every other Thermaltake PSU is crap. More than likely you got the TR2 550W. The TR2 line is basically TT's shitty power supplies meant for those who don't know any better. So I would highly recommend returning that PSU and grabbing something like the Corsair CX500. If you have to keep that TT PSU, then don't add in any GPU that requires a PCI-E power connector as that should lessen the chance of you forcing the shitty TR2 to work.

I did not purchase any PSU's yet. And I was mistaken, they are the Cooler Master 500W eXtreme Power Supply ($60). I was just checking them out there to compare as they are now advertising "new lower pricing" which is noticeable and now comparable to other retailers.

For someone who's been burned multiple times by going used, I'm surprised you want to do used again. In this case, that setup isn't all that good since that motherboard uses the P67 chipset which means it lacks native SATA 6.0Gb/s. So it's not going to be a good setup if you ever plan on going with SSDs. Not to mention the age of that motherboard as well.

So far, even with bum boards. The sellers have been awesome. I'd like to think partly due to going cheap with current luck, I just got the duds. I am currently retesting the (NEW) board again, just with the Q9300 in it. I had this setup with different ram running my game servers before. Unfortunately I had an under powered psu. I then put in the "current spec" parts and had some weird power up issues. I chocked up to under powering but thinking it may be the CPU... grasping at straws at this point.

I wouldn't go mATX if you're serious about SLI. Not enough space IMO for proper cooling.

Really? Looking at the 680i i was using for my 8800's, the mATX doesn't appear to have any different pci-e locations, they looked to have just chopped off the bottom couple inches. I did notice the first board you posted looked to have better spacing by using 2 slots between the 16x slots which I would agree with. I can do without the SLI option, it would limit my "future proof" of the 660 because I can't just throw in another card. For the right prices though, it may allow the gpu upgrade sooner... ha, sure it will.


Whew. Thanks again by the way. It is much appreciated and is definitely make me rethink priorities of this and the other "projects" I need to complete.
Outlaw

 

[Dangman]

I agree and maybe this is where I need to reconsider what I am looking for/expect from what I want to spend. I am OK with being behind in tech if the price saving is decent as well as the performance gains over what I have now is respectable. I did find a Sabertooth x58 and W3570 (between cpu 960-970) for 250 shipped.The last current gen purchase was the E6600 in '07. I then upgraded to the q9450 i have now in '10-'11.

Again, you're still looking too far back. While it's fine to be behind in tech, in this case, you're going way behind in tech. You want to aim for the Z68 chipset or newer since that's when Intel began to have native SATA 6.0Gb/s controllers that had far better performance and bandwidth than the SATA 6.0Gb/s controllers found on any Intel motherboard older than the Z68. You're going to want that to get the most performance possible from a SSD. Though Z77 would introduce native PCI-E 3.0 lanes as well.

And I was mistaken, they are the Cooler Master 500W eXtreme Power Supply ($60).

That's also a shitty PSU as well.

Really? Looking at the 680i i was using for my 8800's, the mATX doesn't appear to have any different pci-e locations, they looked to have just chopped off the bottom couple inches. I did notice the first board you posted looked to have better spacing by using 2 slots between the 16x slots which I would agree with.

That's exactly why I'm saying mATX isn't a good choice: mATX doesn't allow for a single space between the first and second card which would allow for better cooling.

 

[E4g1e]

Really? Looking at the 680i i was using for my 8800's, the mATX doesn't appear to have any different pci-e locations, they looked to have just chopped off the bottom couple inches. I did notice the first board you posted looked to have better spacing by using 2 slots between the 16x slots which I would agree with. I can do without the SLI option, it would limit my "future proof" of the 660 because I can't just throw in another card. For the right prices though, it may allow the gpu upgrade sooner... ha, sure it will.

Dangman is correct. Most higher-end GPUs have coolers that consume two (and sometimes three) expansion slots. And most mATX boards put only one slot between the two x16 slots, which means that the rear of one card will end up right against the cooling fan of the primary card on those motherboards, which may seriously shorten the lifespan of one of the cards due to potential overheating.

And SLI is no more "future-proof" than single-GPU: By the time that games require the power of SLI'd GPUs, they might also require hardware support for new features that the existing GPUs do not support. Also, SLI does not double the available graphics RAM at all: If you SLI two 2GB cards, you have only 2GB total of VRAM shared between both cards, with the remaining 2GB only acting as a cache of the first 2GB and completely unavailable for graphics use. This is unlike single GPU setups where all of the installed VRAM minus whatever is consumed by the Windows GUI is available for graphics use.

 

[257Tony]

Dangman is giving you some really good advice! The only small issue I have see. is that the p67 can do pci-e 3.0 with an ivy bridge cpu. I'm not sure if that is a chipset wide feature or just for certain mobo's though.

Definitely, definitely go SSD, you'll get by just fine with a 120 for your os and a regular hdd for storage.

 

[Outlaw85]

Again, you're still looking too far back. While it's fine to be behind in tech, in this case, you're going way behind in tech. You want to aim for the Z68 chipset or newer since that's when Intel began to have native SATA 6.0Gb/s controllers that had far better performance and bandwidth than the SATA 6.0Gb/s controllers found on any Intel motherboard older than the Z68. You're going to want that to get the most performance possible from a SSD. Though Z77 would introduce native PCI-E 3.0 lanes as well.

That's also a shitty PSU as well.

That's exactly why I'm saying mATX isn't a good choice: mATX doesn't allow for a single space between the first and second card which would allow for better cooling.

Ok. I think I'm finally coming around. lol I know you said to look at z68 chipset, but what about the q87 mATX or if i search some more for the z68. I was able to locate a matx with 2 slot spacing- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131988 (Something like this?) While I have the larger case now, my goal is to downsize it and eventually move my 2tbs to an alternative option.

Thanks for the tip on the PSU's. I will keep shopping there.

Dangman is correct. Most higher-end GPUs have coolers that consume two (and sometimes three) expansion slots. And most mATX boards put only one slot between the two x16 slots, which means that the rear of one card will end up right against the cooling fan of the primary card on those motherboards, which may seriously shorten the lifespan of one of the cards due to potential overheating.

And SLI is no more "future-proof" than single-GPU: By the time that games require the power of SLI'd GPUs, they might also require hardware support for new features that the existing GPUs do not support. Also, SLI does not double the available graphics RAM at all: If you SLI two 2GB cards, you have only 2GB total of VRAM shared between both cards, with the remaining 2GB only acting as a cache of the first 2GB and completely unavailable for graphics use. This is unlike single GPU setups where all of the installed VRAM minus whatever is consumed by the Windows GUI is available for graphics use.

Thanks for the reassurance. I agree with the cooler spacing and airflow needs. My 8800's were heaters and power hogs but did have the spacing they needed. The GTX660 i have is a dual slot card also. I would never buy that ASUS 3slot card... lol that is just silly. I would go WC before using anything larger than a 2slot card.

I was hoping to have the same/similar results as when I SLI'd my 8800's. In the games I play and resolution, I was able to see a huge difference in fps and overall smoothness. It did still show it's age once I started playing the "pretty games" like FC2 and Anno (at the time). The 2 cards were able to carry me for another 2-3yrs before I got the GTX 660 to replace them both. While I am a gamer, I don't need uber max everything with hd packs and whatnot. At this time, I am still able to play FC3 on default ultra with my current setup.

Thank you for the vid card info. I am aware of not adding the cards mem together. I figure I only need a 2GB version since I don't play anything over 1080p (not that i can anyways right now). Even when I had my 23" 1080p, I gamed at 720p. A higher res 1200p/1440p would be cool for daily use but I still would game at 720p or 1080p max depending on monitor size.

Dangman is giving you some really good advice! The only small issue I have see. is that the p67 can do pci-e 3.0 with an ivy bridge cpu. I'm not sure if that is a chipset wide feature or just for certain mobo's though.

Definitely, definitely go SSD, you'll get by just fine with a 120 for your os and a regular hdd for storage.

Thanks for the reassurance. At the end of the day, I probably will go with an SSD. If I can get the other pc's PSUs, I would just need the HDD and can use the 500's from this build in those and finally be done



Couple questions;
Is there anything in the 25"-27" monitor size I should be looking at in the sub $200 range. I know Dangman suggested the 23" and it looks really nice and at this point, a solid choice for the budget. I am just trying to see what if anything I can get larger since I sit about 4-5 feet from the monitor.

With the motherboard. is the z68 the lowest version I should be looking at? For example that Q87 I linked above for the mATX as an option.


Again, thank you for all the input so far. I can't wait to read more!
Outlaw

 

[E4g1e]

Ok. I think I'm finally coming around. lol I know you said to look at z68 chipset, but what about the q87 mATX or if i search some more for the z68. I was able to locate a matx with 2 slot spacing- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131988 (Something like this?) While I have the larger case now, my goal is to downsize it and eventually move my 2tbs to an alternative option.

Unfortunately, the Q87 chipset does not support SLI at all because it runs its two PCI-e x16 slots at very unequal bandwidth (and nVidia will not certify motherboards with such uneven dual-slot configurations for SLI). It supports only AMD's CrossFireX (which is less stringent about slot bandwidth but does not perform as well). This is because the Q87 chipset only supports dual x16 slot operation in a very unequal, PCI-e 3.0 x16/PCI-e 2.0 x4 mode (in other words, the second x16 slot runs only at PCI-e 2.0 x4 while the primary slot runs at the full PCI-e 3.0 x16). That combo will not work properly for SLI. So if you need SLI support, you should limit yourself to those boards with the Z87 chipset that run their PCI-e slots at PCI-e 3.0 x8 bandwidth for both slots if two such slots are occupied.

 

[Outlaw85]

Thanks.

I did miss that when looking it up. It came up in a matx sli google search. I failed to pull up the asus product page but see what your talking about now. I will have to keep an eye out for z87 boards.

Thanks again,
Outlaw

 

[Outlaw85]

Just to throw an update here.

I was able to find what I thought was a decent deal on a 4770K build. It actually came out cheaper than the first recommended build above (no HDD but shipping included). With getting 840 Evo 120GB, I would only be slightly over the quote below.

Here's what I recommend:
$220 - Intel Core i5-4670K CPU
$140 - Asus Z87-A Intel Z87 Motherboard
$70 - Crucial Ballistix BLS8G3D1609ES2LX0 8GB DDR3 1600 RAM
$29 - Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus HSF
$89 - Samsung 840 Evo 120GB SSD
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Total: $547 shipped.

Thanks again for the help.
Outlaw

 

[Dangman]

What was the specs of the build? Seems kind of fishy that it would be cheaper than the seutp I proposed.

 

[Outlaw85]

it was used and from here on the forums. It is currently in transit.

System includes:
Fractal Design Node 304 - Will include come with everything as purchased new minus original packaging.
Intel Core i7-4770K - Will include original heatsink if requested.
ASRock Z87E-ITX - Will include everything as purchased new (manuals, accessories, cables, box, etc.)
Corsair H80i w/ Arctic Cooling F12 PWM fan - Will include all unused hardware and manuals.
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
Corsair CX430 power supply
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801785

 

[Dangman]

Good luck with that then.