Unreal Engine 4 PS4 vs PC

[naticus]

The point I was trying to make listing the parts was; you can get a decent specced PC that will out perform the PS4 right now for close to what most are guesstimating the PS4 will sell for on release day.

Yes I do think a 7870tahiti/660ti will be able to play games 1080p @ 30+fps on medium medium-low settings in 4-5 years. The same as my Clevo M570RU laptop with a 8800M gtx and dual core CPU (purchased in Dec 2007) can play most dx9 games medium to max -- a majority of games are still DX9, FYI.

 

[Johnked6]

Don't have to pay for XBL either.

That's a good point, if you want to game on xbox you'll need to add in the cost of 7 years of xbl, at $50 per year that's an extra $350 just to be able to connect online.

You'll also have to add in an additional 1-3 controllers if you want to play with your friends, that's an additional $40-$120.

Bigger hard drive, an extra $80-$150.

If you want wireless controllers or a charging station, even more money.

 

[DeathPrincess]

an additional 1-3 controllers if you want to play with your friends, that's an additional $40-$120.

That ones a bit silly. If you want to play with 3 friends on the PC you either have to buy $50 kb/m combo for the other people (for the 3 games that support it) controllers, or 3 more PCs for $1800/3000 whatever was decided on, and 3 more game copies.

 

[Johnked6]

That ones a bit silly. If you want to play with 3 friends on the PC you either have to buy $50 kb/m combo for the other people (for the 3 games that support it) controllers, or 3 more PCs for $1800/3000 whatever was decided on, and 3 more game copies.

No, because consoles are aimed at couch gamers and being able to game with your friends in your living room.

PC mp is not built that way, we play mp online against people all over the world and in mmo's.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

I have to agree with DeathPrincess on that...

Buying 3 controllers.... haha.

 

[DeathPrincess]

No, because consoles are aimed at couch gamers and being able to game with your friends in your living room.

PC mp is not built that way, we play mp online against people all over the world and in mmo's.

But using the same pricing model then the consoles also have their friends with consoles as they can also connect and play online. For free (if you didn't buy the silly option).

A PC in the same scenario (local multiplayer) needs more controllers to work in the same way, or if that option isn't available (which it annoyingly often isn't even if the console version has it) then you will need more systems.

 

[Johnked6]

What i'm saying is that gaming on the couch with your friends is a huge selling point for consoles. PC was not built for that, the closest we have is hotseat gaming and lan parties. If you want to take advantage of that feature you'll need to buy additional controllers.

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land, or Mortal Kombat with your friends with only 1 controller.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

What i'm saying is that gaming on the couch with your friends is a huge selling point for consoles. PC was not built for that, the closest we have is hotseat gaming and lan parties.

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land, or Mortal Kombat with your friends with only 1 controller.

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land or Mortal Kombat on the PC with your friends with only one mouse and keyboard. What's your point, because you aren't really making a valid argument here.

 

[Johnked6]

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land or Mortal Kombat on the PC with your friends with only one mouse and keyboard. What's your point, because you aren't really making a valid argument here.

BECAUSE THAT IS A FEATURE THAT IS NOT MARKETED FOR PC GAMING!

How hard is that to understand? PC gamers do not buy their PC to play in their living room with their friends. A lot of console players like to play sports and fighting games with their friends in their living room.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

BECAUSE THAT IS A FEATURE THAT IS NOT MARKETED FOR PC GAMING!

How hard is that to understand? PC gamers do not buy their PC to play in their living room with their friends. A lot of console players like to play sports and fighting games with their friends in their living room.

So you have no real argument then? Your argument is basically comparing apples to oranges? Since a console is only suited for living room gaming with friends on the couch and a PC is only suited for gaming on a desk, in your Mom's basement? So apples to oranges, right?

 

[wonderfield]

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land, or Mortal Kombat with your friends with only 1 controller.

How do you achieve this on any platform?

 

[Johnked6]

So you have no real argument then? Your argument is basically comparing apples to oranges? Since a console is only suited for living room gaming with friends on the couch and a PC is only suited for gaming on a desk, in your Mom's basement? So apples to oranges, right?

How does that change the fact that you'll need 1-3 additional controllers to play with your friends in your living room with a console?

I also don't need to spend $50 a year for an XBL like service on my PC, that doesn't change the fact that I need XBL if I want to be online on an Xbox.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

How does that change the fact that you'll need 1-3 additional controllers to play with your friends in your living room with a console?

The same way it changes the fact that those same friends that come over to "play games" can't do shit on your PC now, since you're a PC gamer and refused to spend the money on extra controllers and/or mouse & keyboards for them to join you.

Again, one more time. You have no argument with the path you are currently taking. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

For the record, I'm the one who brought up the XBL subscription, not you... so if you're gonna argue with me, use your own arguments.

 

[Johnked6]

The same way it changes the fact that those same friends that come over to "play games" can't do shit on your PC now, since you're a PC gamer and refused to spend the money on extra controllers and/or mouse & keyboards for them to join you.

Wow, you keep missing the point.

Me: If you want to play 2-4 player games on consoles with your friends in your living room, which games like Mortal Kombat, Madden, NBA, Bash Bro's, Nintendo Land are marketed for you will need to buy additional controllers.

You: nu uh, You can't even do that on PC games.

Me: Yes, i already said that. PC gamers don't buy PC games to play that way. We play strictly online.

You: so you admit, apples and oranges.

Me: No, you still need to buy those controllers if you want to take advantage of your console that way.

I'm not saying that every console player needs to do that, but if you do then you need to buy additional controllers.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

Wow, you keep missing the point.

Me: If you want to play 2-4 player games on consoles with your friends in your living room, which games like Mortal Kombat, Madden, NBA, Bash Bro's, Nintendo Land are marketed for
you will need to buy additional controllers.

You: nu uh, You can't even do that on PC games.

Me: Yes, i already said that. PC gamers don't buy PC games to play that way. We play strictly online.

You: so you admit, apples and oranges.

Me: No, you still need to buy those controllers if you want to take advantage of your console that way.

I'm not saying that every console player needs to do that, but if you do then you need to buy additional controllers.

The point is; you don't have a point.

You just answered the reason in your own argument.

If it's not needed to enjoy the game, then it can not be held against it. Period.

I also never said it CAN NOT be done on PC games, because the fact is that it CAN be done on PC games. While it's a select few, it can still be done none-the-less.

We? Sorry, but being a PC gamer I do not consider "us" to be together at all. I'm a PC gamer, you're a PC gamer. That's it. I have an HTPC and guess what? I DO have friends who play on the couch with more than one player at a time and oh-my-god, I had to buy more than one controller.

 

[Johnked6]

The point is; you don't have a point.

We are talking about the hidden costs of owning a console, my point is valid.

You still need to spend real $$ to buy a new controller if you want to take advantage of your xbox that way. This is not console vs PC.

This is about hidden costs of owning a console.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

We are talking about the hidden costs of owning a console, my point is valid.

You still need to spend real $$ to buy a new controller if you want to take advantage of your xbox that way. This is not console vs PC.

This is hidden costs of owning a console.

Oh wow. Really jumped off the cliff now. Like I said, you have no argument. Just give up.

Hidden costs. LOL

 

[Johnked6]

Oh wow. Really jumped off the cliff now. Like I said, you have no argument. Just give up.

Hidden costs. LOL

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. If you can't understand the topic at hand then there is no hope for you. It's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[naticus]

Wow, you keep missing the point.

Me: If you want to play 2-4 player games on consoles with your friends in your living room, which games like Mortal Kombat, Madden, NBA, Bash Bro's, Nintendo Land are marketed for you will need to buy additional controllers.

You: nu uh, You can't even do that on PC games.

Me: Yes, i already said that. PC gamers don't buy PC games to play that way. We play strictly online.

You: so you admit, apples and oranges.

Me: No, you still need to buy those controllers if you want to take advantage of your console that way.

I'm not saying that every console player needs to do that, but if you do then you need to buy additional controllers.

^ This. some people ITT are really not worth arguing with as they seem to have a hard time grasping concepts or reality.

 

[Inu]

There are extra costs to console.

75% - 90% price premiums, if you count the frequent PC sales.

Extra controllers is kinda sorta correct. A lot of people are gaming multiplayer on the internet more rather than locally. However for the Wii U its typically much more common to have a lot more controllers.

Online Console premiums. Thats a huge and varied topic of conversation. Overall its typically not much more expensive than MMO subs, and can be cheaper or more expensive depending on what you do.

DLC kind of ties in with premium price of console games.

I think in the end most tend to agree that if you're not as hardcore of a gamer as you used to be than a console generally is the way to go.

However if you're looking for the premium experience, with many hours planned to be spent on gaming? PC is generally better, while still affording you a very good price in the long run.

Most people seem to be hitting the nail on the head for gaming graphics will typically always be superior on PC.

However with consoles being more PC-like the extra features may be a game changer, especially with some of the touted features of the PS4.

 

[Flogger23m]

No, because consoles are aimed at couch gamers and being able to game with your friends in your living room.

PC mp is not built that way, we play mp online against people all over the world and in mmo's.

Back in the N64 era; not anymore. The best selling console games tend to have a large online MP following. For example, the SOCOM series on the PS2/3. I am sure the PS4 will continue this trend with split screen gaming being left to the sidelines. I don't see them going back. Split screen gaming has been on a huge decline in consoles for the past 8 or so years.

Try playing Mario Kart, Nintendo Land or Mortal Kombat on the PC with your friends with only one mouse and keyboard. What's your point, because you aren't really making a valid argument here.

It is possible to play split screen Mario Kart 64 on a single keyboard on PC. I've done it, but wouldn't recommend it. Get two controllers or two keyboards, preferable controllers with an N64 controller adapter.

Did you ignore my post?

Intel Pentium D 920, 2GB DDR, X1950XTX GPU... all hardware from 2006. Windows 7 installed. Currently* playing Battlefield Bad Company 2....



*On hold while I move.

That game is over 3 years old now. How about Crysis 3 and BF3, or something else more recent? I realize both games will look horrid on both your PC and a PS3, but does your PC have computability issues?

I assume you had to upgrade to Windows 7 due to the age of the hardware, so even if you snagged a copy for $30 that is still a cost and would be required for a select few titles such as BF3 (no XP support).

As for the cost of games, I am not sure where you are all shopping, but at release PC and console titles are almost always the same price here. Either $60 or $50 depending on the game, regardless if it is PC, Xbox or PS. There are some decent sales for console games frequently as well (check Amazon) that feature popular titles for as much as 50% off. Not as good or frequent as PC game sales, but the difference is not as big as some make it out to be. If you only buy games during the winter/summer sales, then you can certainly save a lot when buying PC games though.

Of course, the downside is you can't tell or trade Steam/Origin games, which is where most of the significant sales are. However, console games are starting to use DRM (Mass Effect 2) to decrease the value of 2nd hand games so this advantage may not exist much longer.

The point is not what most people own, but that it is possible to lessen the cost. People who buy laptops are most likely the Best Buy crowd, who buy the $150 HDMI Monster Cable.

Which is the majority of the computer population. People who buy desktops have been in the minority for years. And the people who build them are even fewer. My point: These potential areas being brought up to save money are just not there for most people.

 

[Deleted member 88227]

It is possible to play split screen Mario Kart 64 on a single keyboard on PC. I've done it, but wouldn't recommend it. Get two controllers or two keyboards, preferable controllers with an N64 controller adapter.

Some games can be played with a single controller or kb/m setup. Games such as Worms, where play is turn based.

That game is over 3 years old now. How about Crysis 3 and BF3, or something else more recent? I realize both games will look horrid on both your PC and a PS3, but does your PC have computability issues?

I said it was a 2010 title in the first post I made about it. It was the newest title I had at the time, now I have Tomb Raider that I intend to try and I was having issues with Skyrim. Going to get the fixed soon, just gotta move first.

I assume you had to upgrade to Windows 7 due to the age of the hardware, so even if you snagged a copy for $30 that is still a cost and would be required for a select few titles such as BF3 (no XP support).

I am using Windows 7 free trial, I don't have an available OS Windows license to use. If I could get a copy of Windows XP, I'd use that. Ideally, I want more games to try. I'm not a fan of EA or Origin, therefore I don't think BF3 will get any love.

As for the cost of games, I am not sure where you are all shopping, but at release PC and console titles are almost always the same price here. Either $60 or $50 depending on the game, regardless if it is PC, Xbox or PS. There are some decent sales for console games frequently as well (check Amazon) that feature popular titles for as much as 50% off. Not as good or frequent as PC game sales, but the difference is not as big as some make it out to be. If you only buy games during the winter/summer sales, then you can certainly save a lot when buying PC games though.

A lot of games that are multi platform are ~$10 cheaper on the PC. Just take a look at the more recent Tomb Raider for example: http://www.amazon.com/Tomb-Raider-X...F8&qid=1367895417&sr=8-1&keywords=tomb+raider

It was like that when it was launched as well.

Of course, the downside is you can't tell or trade Steam/Origin games, which is where most of the significant sales are. However, console games are starting to use DRM (Mass Effect 2) to decrease the value of 2nd hand games so this advantage may not exist much longer.

Rumor mill has it that both the PS4 and next Xbox will lock games to their consoles much like games are locked to Steam/Origin. However, unlike a physical hardware lock, Steam/Origin games can be played on any compatible hardware it's downloaded to.

Like I said, once I get situated and moved, I intend to break out all the old PC hardware I've been collecting the past few months dated from ~2006 to do some tests just to see how well a PC has aged vs Consoles.

 

[Nytegard]

Rumor mill has it that both the PS4 and next Xbox will lock games to their consoles much like games are locked to Steam/Origin. However, unlike a physical hardware lock, Steam/Origin games can be played on any compatible hardware it's downloaded to.

For those of you who aren't Steam-washed, there are always sites like Green Man Gaming, which do allow you to trade in your digital download game for some cash back.