TV vs. "real" gaming monitor

[kramnelis]

Exactly. Most of the people on this forum are old dudes that care more about picture quality than rank so you will be talking to a wall.

Gaming specific monitors will destroy any tv IF you are super competitive where every frame/hz/ms counts. I mean nobody is using HDR to rank up lol

They don't care about picture quality either.

Their goal is about affording one display to do it all. This limits severely what they can do. You see the most they do is all about watching HDR400 movies or playing 120Hz console hardcore.

 

[TrunksZero]

Yes. PG32UQX is the best 4K HDR gaming monitor. The panel is actually the top tier, not outdated. AUO doesn't choose a faster panel because that will shrink color volume. And you cannot get backlight much faster without G-sync. You won't get better HDR than this one unless you choose 60Hz Macbook Pro.

It's no doubt a great monitor. But best... really? I mean, great for LCD... but if your going to list that as best... Not under or over whelmingly impressive...

*late edit* I take it back abit, it's a perfectly great LCD. But I would never spend that much for what it offers. At least not right now with so much just around the corner.

 

[freeagentt]

I game at 60 fps with 60Hz lol.. I am ok with it. To me it is smooth. And yeah.. I guess I am getting older now. Kids now a days act like competitive gaming is new

 

[improwise]

It's no doubt a great monitor. But best... really? I mean, great for LCD... but if your going to list that as best... Not under or over whelmingly impressive...

*late edit* I take it back abit, it's a perfectly great LCD. But I would never spend that much for what it offers. At least not right now with some much just around the corner.

Don't forget it has better black levels than OLED, is brighter than the sun and has better response time than The Flash.

 

[kramnelis]

It's no doubt a great monitor. But best... really? I mean, great for LCD... but if your going to list that as best... Not under or over whelmingly impressive...

*late edit* I take it back abit, it's a perfectly great LCD. But I would never spend that much for what it offers. At least not right now with so much just around the corner.

It's the best if you can get one ever since 2 years ago.

Even with all the drawback it can beat the crap of any OLED on the market. You just need to have one to see it yourself to understand how important brightness is.

 

[kramnelis]

Don't forget it has better black levels than OLED, is brighter than the sun and has better response time than The Flash.

Imagination off the cliff again? It does have better black level than OLED since your OLED has black crush instead.

 

[TrunksZero]

Sorta better black levels... and has a worse contrast ratio. And while it's a nice set of dimable zones, it pales in comparison to OLED.

Man, I wish microLED would get here sooner

 

[Deleted member 312202]

Still using my LG C2 here and see no need to go with a "regular" monitor at this point.

 

[kramnelis]

Sorta better black levels... and has a worse contrast ratio. And while it's a nice set of dimable zones, it pales in comparison to OLED.

Man, I wish microLED would get here sooner

On the contrary It's OLED pale in comparison to a good miniLED. You can never use an OLED TV to make correct HDR when there is ABL on both ends.

Every time I see whatever OLED it's just another showcase the same as wearing sunglasses with washed out color.

 

[kramnelis]

Still using my LG C2 here and see no need to go with a "regular" monitor at this point.

It's exactly like using office monitors for 80nits SDR the same as OLED. They sure look mighty fine displaying low APL SDR all the time.

But they won't look finer even compared to monitors from five years ago.

 

[TrunksZero]

On the contrary It's OLED pale in comparison to a good miniLED. You can never use an OLED TV to make correct HDR when there is ABL on both ends.

Every time I see whatever OLED it's just another showcase the same as wearing sunglasses with washed out color.

We just disagree. I think the super brights on LCD feels like a parlour trick compared to perfect blacks.

microLED solves all of this of course.

 

[kramnelis]

We just disagree. I think the super brights on LCD feels like a parlour trick compared to perfect blacks.

microLED solves all of this of course.

Since when accurate brightness is a trick? It's No.1 most important factor in HDR. I already said you just need to have one to see it yourself to understand how important brightness is.

Color is lit by brightness. Without accurate brightness there won't be accurate color. This is why all these TVs fail to become competent HDR grading display when their accuracy falls far off. And I can challenge everybody here to let them try to make some HDR footages with whatever TV they got.

I tell you none of them can make HDR even a single bit. And 2000nits is not that bright as long as they are DC dimming without flickers unlike OLED. There are various colors at much higher brightness, not just white.

 

[FrgMstr]

Since when accurate brightness is a trick? It's No.1 most important factor in HDR. I already said you just need to have one to see it yourself to understand how important brightness is.

Color is lit by brightness. Without accurate brightness there won't be accurate color. This is why all these TVs fail to become competent HDR grading display when their accuracy falls far off. And I can challenge everybody here to let them try to make some HDR footages with whatever TV they got.

I tell you none of them can make HDR even a single bit. And 2000nits is not that bright as long as they are DC dimming without flickers unlike OLED. There are various colors at much higher brightness, not just white.

Thanks for the explanation. You don't need to make the same posts over and over.

 

[kramnelis]

Thanks for the explanation. You don't need to make the same posts over and over.

You guys even fail to see HDR over and over while saying CX or C2 looks lovely like every office monitor.

I'm going to keep posting it as a reminder what an echo chamber is.

Better buff up to make HDR with your TVs or try a little bit to rank higher in games. I'm sure there are tons of tutorials for TVs to make budget HDR.

All you can do is using your admin to ban and kick. That's all you can do.

 

[FrgMstr]

I'm going to keep posting it as a reminder what an echo chamber is.

You are going to find some difficulty with that. I asked nicely.

 

[Xar]

Still using my LG C2 here and see no need to go with a "regular" monitor at this point.

No need whatsoever. C9 & CX already answered pretty much everything years back. Besides, taking PG32UQX seriously in late 2023 is just pure ironic, we all should be discussing other Mini-LEDs, C2 & C3.

 

[lors]

I have every idea how much worse OLED is.

Okay, so you are just hating OLED, got it.

It's dim enough to have black crash that you cannot even see clearly.

The term is called "black crush". I can see any shadow detail on my OLEDs. You know this thing called "settings"?

You got only one TV for everything.

I'm using a 48"C1, 27"144Hz/1440p TN monitor and a 77"C2.

I got multiple monitors with the best HDR available and the fastest motion for competitive esport.

Which monitors are you using? I'm really curious now lol

You cannot do these with whatever TV you have due to their incompetence. And if you love TV that much you should considering a microLED TV now. The microLED supply chains are about to be completed.

The only incompetence we can see here is yours. MicroLED still needs years to reach the consumer market.

 

[Senn]

Things I've learned...

OLED is a product of the devil.
LCD is pure divinity.

OLED has undefeatable black crush.
LCD has better black levels than OLED.

OLED is wholly incapable of HDR.
LCD HDR is so good it can make you better at games.

LG's OLED TVs are nothing more than office monitors.
Anyone who owns one better replace it with a PG32UQX quickly.

And a new one, 2000nits is not that bright as long as I can come up with a random excuse as to why it isn't.

Disagree? Your imagination is off the cliff!

Anyone who reads this far without bursting out laughing is doing better than me.

 

[kasakka]

Things I've learned...

OLED is a product of the devil.
LCD is pure divinity.

OLED has undefeatable black crush.
LCD has better black levels than OLED.

OLED is wholly incapable of HDR.
LCD HDR is so good it can make you better at games.

LG's OLED TVs are nothing more than office monitors.
Anyone who owns one better replace it with a PG32UQX quickly.

And a new one, 2000nits is not that bright as long as I can come up with a random excuse as to why it isn't.

Disagree? Your imagination is off the cliff!

Anyone who reads this far without bursting out laughing is doing better than me.

You forgot the "you peasants can't afford the actual good stuff."

 

[MistaSparkul]

Things I've learned...

OLED is a product of the devil.
LCD is pure divinity.

OLED has undefeatable black crush.
LCD has better black levels than OLED.

OLED is wholly incapable of HDR.
LCD HDR is so good it can make you better at games.

LG's OLED TVs are nothing more than office monitors.
Anyone who owns one better replace it with a PG32UQX quickly.

And a new one, 2000nits is not that bright as long as I can come up with a random excuse as to why it isn't.

Disagree? Your imagination is off the cliff!

Anyone who reads this far without bursting out laughing is doing better than me.

2000 nits actually isn't that bright when you think about it. It's still a ways off for content that is mastered in 10,000 nits. One advantage that TVs has over monitors is that it's easier for them to do some insane brightness levels like the new TCL QM8.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/tcl-qm8-mini-led-tv-review/

Honestly since brightness means the world to a certain somebody I'm not sure why he still uses a PG32UQX when the TCL QM8 is pumping out 3500 nits which destroys his measely Asus monitor.

 

[Senn]

2000 nits actually isn't that bright when you think about it. It's still a ways off for content that is mastered in 10,000 nits.

It's a logarithmic curve though, is it not? The visible difference between 2000 and 10000 wouldn't be as big as the absolute value would suggest.

Not to say a display that can pull it off wouldn't be great to have. I'd still like to see progress on the lifespan of individual LEDs/OLEDs before pushing towards mainstream adoption of 10000 nits though, honestly.

Ideally the two will go hand in hand. Burn-in continues to be THE big deal breaker for me in PC usage. I don't see OLEDs getting to 10000 nits ever but MicroLED sure could. Unfortunately the idea that it doesn't burn in is a myth.

 

[MistaSparkul]

It's a logarithmic curve though, is it not? The visible difference between 2000 and 10000 wouldn't be as big as the absolute value would suggest.

Not to say a display that can pull it off wouldn't be great to have. I'd still like to see progress on the lifespan of individual LEDs/OLEDs before pushing towards mainstream adoption of 10000 nits though, honestly.

Ideally the two will go hand in hand. Burn-in continues to be THE big deal breaker for me in PC usage. I don't see OLEDs getting to 10000 nits ever but MicroLED sure could. Unfortunately the idea that it doesn't burn in is a myth.

Right. I guess 10,000 nits is kinda 1000Hz in that the the visual benefits get reduced as we get closer to these points but that's the current goal. Gotta say though these new Mini LED TVs are looking pretty insane like the Hisense UX with 5000 dimming zones. Too bad it's only being sold in a low volume 85 inch size though.

 

[FrgMstr]

This will get you banned.

 

[Toboggan]

I may be an outlier here, but I enjoy projection for films, a CRT for games and daily internet use, and an LCD TV for TV. What does that have to do with this thread? The suggestion that it may be worthwhile to try different types of technology for different types of electronic activities. If you care about input lag, which is the only REAL difference between all of these in my opinion, then definitely stray from a TV as your screen choice. Oh, and consider, TV's are designed to view while sitting across a room while monitors are designed for you to be sitting a foot away from it.

 

[jyi786]

The better option highly depends on your use case scenario.

Lots and lots of office work, Destiny 2 gaming (semi-competitively), other games (like Thief style), watching tons of movies and drama. That's my use case.

I currently use 2x Asus ROG PG279Q, a BENQ BL3201, and a Dell P2418HT (a touchscreen). The main screen is the Asus ROG PG279Q; I do all my gaming and office work on this, and the others are all secondary, tertiary, and so on.

Looking to either cut down the number of screens if possible, but most of all, gain better response time, better color, BETTER/REAL BLACKS, NOT MILKY GRAY CRAP (give me a break about black crush, I have a professional monitor calibrator, so I'm not worried about it), and best color palette.

 

[Toboggan]

Looking to either cut down the number of screens if possible, but most of all, gain better response time, better color, BETTER/REAL BLACKS, NOT MILKY GRAY CRAP (give me a break about black crush, I have a professional monitor calibrator, so I'm not worried about it), and best color palette.

Have you considered a CRT?

 

[jyi786]

Have you considered a CRT?

Had 3 Trinitrons back in the early 2000-2006 days, honestly not looking to go back, as much as I realize that it's probably superior.

 

[narsbars]

I game at 60 fps with 60Hz lol.. I am ok with it. To me it is smooth. And yeah.. I guess I am getting older now. Kids now a days act like competitive gaming is new

I bought a used 4K monitor from the H a couple years ago limited to 60 FPS, and still loving it. I could afford it, and it has good color and keeps on running.

 

[freeagentt]

I bought a used 4K monitor from the H a couple years ago limited to 60 FPS, and still loving it. I could afford it, and it has good color and keeps on running.

I don't have flagship GPUs, so no need to aim for triple digit fps numbers

 

[tongshadow]

Have you considered a CRT?

The only worthwhile CRTs are no longer obtainable.

 

[Quiz]

When it comes to PC gaming, what are your guys opinion on gaming on a home theater/media room vs. on a desk? With the home theater/media room, the larger TV will be roughly 7 ft. away. With the desk, the smaller screen will be around 1-2 ft. away. What I'm trying to get at is does PC gaming work better with a smaller screen placed at more "intimate" distances?

Edit: I am referring to PC gaming with a mouse and keyboard.

 

[Senn]

I have fond memories of the CRT days but I'm not looking to return to a display that doesn't have pixel level accuracy of image.

 

[freeagentt]

My last CRT was an 85lb Wega. Loved that monitor. It died in 2007 I think. But I am still using the power cord from it, as it is nicer than what comes with my PSUs lol.

Games and porn looked fantastic on that thing. But I like my TV better

 

[Toboggan]

I have fond memories of the CRT days but I'm not looking to return to a display that doesn't have pixel level accuracy of image.

That's exactly the part about them that I like, everything just looks blended together like an old Saturday morning cartoon

 

[LukeTbk]

When it comes to PC gaming, what are your guys opinion on gaming on a home theater/media room vs. on a desk? With the home theater/media room, the larger TV will be roughly 7 ft. away. With the desk, the smaller screen will be around 1-2 ft. away. What I'm trying to get at is does PC gaming work better with a smaller screen placed at more "intimate" distances?

Edit: I am referring to PC gaming with a mouse and keyboard.

This will be quite subjective and personal, but chance are some game will be better close and some game on the giant setup, do they have viewing angle options, the genre, etc... most games available on console could take advantage of it even with mouse and keyboard (with a good surface for them), while game that require to look at very different place of the screen all the time like a simcity type maybe less, depending on the screen size-sitting distance it could start to make a lot of head movement.