TV/Display for XBox One help?

Fire488

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Need help choosing a TV/Display for my son's XBox One. He wants to use it for gaming mainly, but he will also watch TV with it. Looking at 40" minimum up to 46" I guess. No smaller and any larger will not fit in his room or college apartment...LOL. I have a $1500.00 budget on this but I would rather be at or below 1k.

I hear that Sony is the best for gaming, but I love Samsung for watching. I know that in the end input lag will be the determining factor I guess. I'm really confused...

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Oh you should never judge with TV's put on display in a store, never ! Because like 99% of the time the picture settings are completely wrong and you would never use the same at home under a different light.
Over-bright and over-saturated settings look better under a general store's awful neon lights, but that's not what you're gong to use in the living room, and definitely not when gaming, believe me.
Also beware of Samsung, they're good to make almost any of their displays look good when needed, but that doesn't tell you how competent those are in real use.
Technically Samsung haven't produced a model/series that gets even close to the Sony W's for gaming.
They have quite the selection of good displays for movies and sports though...
 

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Oh you should never judge with TV's put on display in a store, never ! Because like 99% of the time the picture settings are completely wrong and you would never use the same at home under a different light.
Over-bright and over-saturated settings look better under a general store's awful neon lights, but that's not what you're gong to use in the living room, and definitely not when gaming, believe me.
Also beware of Samsung, they're good to make almost any of their displays look good when needed, but that doesn't tell you how competent those are in real use.
Technically Samsung haven't produced a model/series that gets even close to the Sony W's for gaming.
They have quite the selection of good displays for movies and sports though...

Yeah I understand that, but the one thing I noticed is that all TV's were being displayed in full auto settings right out of the box. (I asked about that) And the lighting is similar to the way it may be in a normal living room (No fluorescent) .
I agree with the fact that Sony makes the best gaming displays by far as a matter of fact no other display regardless of price even comes close.
As for general TV watching like movies and such and including 4k displays nothing comes close to the picture a Samsung can display. That is just my opinion though since the specs are higher on the Sony 4k displays and of course their prices are near double that of Samsung's.
 

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I went to Best Buy to get this TV (order it) and they told me to wait for another few weeks since the new models will be coming out and current models prices will drop dramatically, plus the new technology from Samsung will be released to match or overtakeSony.
 

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I wouldn't count on 'dramatic' price drops, but yeah new models will be announced soon.
Hope the new Sony's will be at least as good as the 2014.
 

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This year, I finally (after 7 years) upgraded my tv for my HTPC and Xbox One.
Although my criteria for an upgrade sound a bit different than yours, this might be useful.

Features I required:
50" +
Fully active 3D for full resolution 1080p blu-ray 3D
< $1000

After literally months of searching and reading reviews, I settled on the Samsung FH6030 55" (also available in 40 and 46"), and I'm quite pleased with it.

It uses a S-PVA panel, and uses a full array of LED back-lighting instead of edge lighting, so it has great color uniformity.

The TV has no smart features, but something like a chromecast can fix that for cheap if those are a must.

I did notice some artifacts from its motion interpretation during fast moving scenes, but once you turn off the post-processing effects, it looks great. It also can scale 1:1 for 1080p signals, so it works well with computers.

I play my Xbox One on it almost daily (Primarily Destiny and Killer Instinct) and have yet to notice any input lag, however I don't have any scientific proof to back that up.

I would think the 46" model would be a serious contender for you, and also come in at about half your budget.

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/UN46FH6030FXZA
 
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Richard Jones

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Samsung FH6030 55" (also available in 40 and 46")

According to displaylag.com ... 59ms lag.
That's almost 4 frames of lag, when 3 frames is already too much for most games (except maybe chess lol).

The 46" was measured 46ms, and 40" is unknown but I don't expect it to be much lower.

The FH6030 is bad and banned for video games, period.
Any display with more than 33ms lag (2 frames) shouldn't be considered for gaming whatever the brand and fancy features.
 

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There's nothing to be confused about really, it's not too hard to pick a TV for gaming today.
You have websites like displaylag.com, rtings.com, hdtvest.co.uk and a few other featuring lag measurements and more useful stuff in reviews.
Just narrow your choice down to sets that do under 2 frames (under 33ms) and see what the reviews say about picture quality, blur and motion handling, that sort of stuff.
Sony W7/8/9 series are at the top, but you'll find a few Samsung, LG or even Vizio that do a good job too.

Okay you'll always find comments saying they're not bothered by a more than 2 or even 3 frames delay... sometimes I wonder if people have sloth DNA or what I don't know, but a 3 frames delay (50ms) definitely is noticeable by most normally constituted humans and can ruin the experience in timing-critical games.
Still, if lag isn't your absolute priority maybe you can expand to sets that are just a bit over 2 frames, but I would advise not beyond 40ms.
 

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The best selling TV at Walmart for the longest time was SANYO just because it was super bright =)
 

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There will be some pre-Superbowl sales that should slightly lower the price on 2014 models, keep in mind that prices should be much lower now for most TVs than when they were first introduced early last year. The later the TV was introduced in 2014, the less chance they will lower the price significantly, unless it is a poor seller or they have too much stock.

As far as Samsung introducing new technology, I have yet to see a marketing campaign at CES (which runs next week, and where these TVs will be introduced), that touts low input lag for gaming. In fact most newer technologies announced at CES increase input lag. The 2013 and 2014 Sony TVs had a bunch of interesting features that worked well for gaming, but that only came out after people had the TVs and were able to test them. In the CES timeframe ALL the manufacturers come out with a bunch of marketing term gobbledygook that you cannot decipher to know whether that actually means something good for gaming. Samsung may say 'now with more Ultra Super Quantum Dot S'UHD Visual Perception Enhancement'. Does that mean anything good? You have to wait for reviews (and to a much lesser extent, on hands-on impressions from the show). Also keep in mind that some things announced at CES 2014 have yet to become commercially available. Product introduction delays happen a lot - CES announcement does not mean product availability in a short time frame.

Finally its an either-or thing - either you wait several months for the 2015 TVs, and then pay maximum price, or you buy last years TVs at lower prices (lets say during a superbowl sale). Of course you could wait untl the 2015 TVs hit a lower price (i.e. before Superbowl 2016), but then the whole cycle begins again, because the 2016 TVs have been accounced.

Really the best regularly priced TV for gaming to date was the 2013 KDL55W900A, even the 2014s didn't best it in any meaningful way, and in some ways they were a step down. Just goes to show that it's not always worth running in place on the new tech treadmill.
 

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There's nothing to be confused about really, it's not too hard to pick a TV for gaming today.
You have websites like displaylag.com, rtings.com, hdtvest.co.uk and a few other featuring lag measurements and more useful stuff in reviews.
Just narrow your choice down to sets that do under 2 frames (under 33ms) and see what the reviews say about picture quality, blur and motion handling, that sort of stuff.
Sony W7/8/9 series are at the top, but you'll find a few Samsung, LG or even Vizio that do a good job too.

Okay you'll always find comments saying they're not bothered by a more than 2 or even 3 frames delay... sometimes I wonder if people have sloth DNA or what I don't know, but a 3 frames delay (50ms) definitely is noticeable by most normally constituted humans and can ruin the experience in timing-critical games.
Still, if lag isn't your absolute priority maybe you can expand to sets that are just a bit over 2 frames, but I would advise not beyond 40ms.

Sorry for the late reply. I am looking for the best "gaming" tv that I can get that will look ok for watching as well. Right now Sony does appear to be the best since they are the only company to have a vested interest in producing a TV that can display their biggest product at its best. (PS 4) I just hate Sony because their prices are so inflated due to their name.
Thank you for the help.
 

Fire488

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There will be some pre-Superbowl sales that should slightly lower the price on 2014 models, keep in mind that prices should be much lower now for most TVs than when they were first introduced early last year. The later the TV was introduced in 2014, the less chance they will lower the price significantly, unless it is a poor seller or they have too much stock.

As far as Samsung introducing new technology, I have yet to see a marketing campaign at CES (which runs next week, and where these TVs will be introduced), that touts low input lag for gaming. In fact most newer technologies announced at CES increase input lag. The 2013 and 2014 Sony TVs had a bunch of interesting features that worked well for gaming, but that only came out after people had the TVs and were able to test them. In the CES timeframe ALL the manufacturers come out with a bunch of marketing term gobbledygook that you cannot decipher to know whether that actually means something good for gaming. Samsung may say 'now with more Ultra Super Quantum Dot S'UHD Visual Perception Enhancement'. Does that mean anything good? You have to wait for reviews (and to a much lesser extent, on hands-on impressions from the show). Also keep in mind that some things announced at CES 2014 have yet to become commercially available. Product introduction delays happen a lot - CES announcement does not mean product availability in a short time frame.

Finally its an either-or thing - either you wait several months for the 2015 TVs, and then pay maximum price, or you buy last years TVs at lower prices (lets say during a superbowl sale). Of course you could wait untl the 2015 TVs hit a lower price (i.e. before Superbowl 2016), but then the whole cycle begins again, because the 2016 TVs have been accounced.

Really the best regularly priced TV for gaming to date was the 2013 KDL55W900A, even the 2014s didn't best it in any meaningful way, and in some ways they were a step down. Just goes to show that it's not always worth running in place on the new tech treadmill.

I get what you are saying since I have been here so many times before regarding other electronic devices I am in need of at the time. I do find that I wait for the latest and greatest because i get sucked into the new features that they tout in their marketing strategies.
If it is a matter of waiting an extra month to wait for the new and the testing and comparisons to predecessors then no probs....I'll wait just to avoid buyers remorse.
I never look at it as running in place on treadmill...I feel like whenever I purchase something electronic that I do it as an educated consumer thanks to you guys[H] and the very informative answers I receive.

So what i have learned so far is that:
-Sony is the overall best for console gaming.
-There really are no TV's smaller than 50 inches that are good for gaming other than going to a computer monitor.
 
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