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True AMD Client

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Erasmus354

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So what is the deal with this? When I first got my 5870's a year ago a client that truly supported them was supposed to be right around the corner. I have been waiting and waiting, and everytime I check in I see some story with a quote from PG about the AMD optimized client being just around the corner. There have been updates to the Nvidia client in that time, but still no AMD client. What gives? Will I ever get an optimized AMD client to run F@H?
 
Last I heard it was just around the corner (no joke). :(
 
you can thank ati/ amd for that. they switched from brook to opencl. that means all the code that was written form amd's was now usless garbage. a total fresh rewrite was in order.

last i heard they want closed beta by the end of this year, will relase it next year (hopefully earlier in the year). i do belive the major stumbling block is the need for a new core that will be released with the v7 client. that kind of a all in one so it take dtime for other stuff.
 
I hope they make something better, because my 6850 only uses 50% core max.
 
mrbigshot said:
you can thank ati/ amd for that. they switched from brook to opencl. that means all the code that was written form amd's was now usless garbage. a total fresh rewrite was in order.

last i heard they want closed beta by the end of this year, will relase it next year (hopefully earlier in the year). i do belive the major stumbling block is the need for a new core that will be released with the v7 client. that kind of a all in one so it take dtime for other stuff.
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They've had over a year. They should have gotten off their asses when it first came out and got an optimized client out.

Time from launch for 5XXX/6XXX/AMD optimized clients: Still don't have one, even after 1+ years.
Time from launch for nvidia optimized clients: within a few months.

Yeah, I think they don't care about AMD clients. And that's why I stopped folding.
 
It is AMD's fault for changing from brook to OpenCL, but it's still a good move. There's gonna be some growing pains but the long term gains will be worth it.
 
Nightbird said:
It is AMD's fault for changing from brook to OpenCL, but it's still a good move. There's gonna be some growing pains but the long term gains will be worth it.
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you could blame it on AMD but at the same time you can on blame it on PG for not being prepared for the change to openCL and not having coders that actually know openCL. the latter being the real issue here since the current person working on the openCL client is learning as he goes. eventually in the end AMD's move from the ancient brook+ to openCL is a much better move and PG will benefit from it over the long haul.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
you could blame it on AMD but at the same time you can on blame it on PG for not being prepared for the change to openCL and not having coders that actually know openCL.
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OpenCL specifications keep changing all the time as well. If big shops like Adobe are having problems coding OpenCL (published fact), I really can't blame PG very much for a slow start either.
 
Mike Houston just wrote on FF:

mhouston said:
Folding@Home on OpenMM running OpenCL was shown in alpha state running at Supercomputing 2010 in the AMD booth and Khronos booth. Also note that Intel just released an alpha OpenCL 1.1 implementation for their CPUs last week
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avatardelta said:
They've had over a year. They should have gotten off their asses when it first came out and got an optimized client out.

Time from launch for 5XXX/6XXX/AMD optimized clients: Still don't have one, even after 1+ years.
Time from launch for nvidia optimized clients: within a few months.

Yeah, I think they don't care about AMD clients. And that's why I stopped folding.
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That's sad to hear. Why not at least CPU fold?

NV has done a good job of pushing a broader array of software to run on CUDA, it's probably not worth blaming PG for finding it easier to get support.
 
warthorn said:
That's sad to hear. Why not at least CPU fold?

NV has done a good job of pushing a broader array of software to run on CUDA, it's probably not worth blaming PG for finding it easier to get support.
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cuda just supports everything. but what it does is stop innovation. but when they do get an AMD openCL client out you will see the difference between cuda and openCL. what F@H doesnt show is the really high overhead running cuda. boinc shows it because they actually have true ati support.

avatardelta said:
They've had over a year. They should have gotten off their asses when it first came out and got an optimized client out.

Time from launch for 5XXX/6XXX/AMD optimized clients: Still don't have one, even after 1+ years.
Time from launch for nvidia optimized clients: within a few months.

Yeah, I think they don't care about AMD clients. And that's why I stopped folding.
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lol this problem started way before the 5000 series. there has never been a completely working ATI client since the gpu2 client came out.
 
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Theo Valich wrote a while ago that NVIDIA provided tons of support to developers to code apps in Cuda, but Amd/ATI provided next to no support. Amd just hasn't had the budget to push their gpgpu progress the way NVIDIA has in recent years.
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warthorn said:
That's sad to hear. Why not at least CPU fold?

NV has done a good job of pushing a broader array of software to run on CUDA, it's probably not worth blaming PG for finding it easier to get support.
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Because I would only fold bigadv units, moved to stock cooling and reset my OC and don't want to redo it.

sirmonkey1985 said:
cuda just supports everything. but what it does is stop innovation. but when they do get an AMD openCL client out you will see the difference between cuda and openCL. what F@H doesnt show is the really high overhead running cuda. boinc shows it because they actually have true ati support.



lol this problem started way before the 5000 series. there has never been a completely working ATI client since the gpu2 client came out.
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Only reinforces my point. I was mainly poking at the lag time for new clients for these cores. They don't care about AMD/ATI.

/waveMonkeyMan.
 
Tobit said:
They don't? See post #9 above? Why would they bring it to the Supercomputing 2010 show if they didn't care?
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Certainly took them long enough, and it's only in the alpha state, so who knows when we'll see it. :rolleyes:

Good for them, I guess. I still don't plan on folding again anytime soon. And if I did I wouldn't be in a position to monitor the hardware in person and rectify an issue, should one arise.
 
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