Top ISPs Poised to Adopt Graduated Response to Piracy

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I guess a "graduated response plan" beats the hell out of "sued over Hurt Locker" plan. I have a feeling this whole thing is going to backfire on the industry, what do you think?

This has been in the works a long time. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) and Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), the respective trade groups for the four major record companies and six top Hollywood film studios, have labored for years to persuade ISPs to take a tougher antipiracy position. Under the proposed plan, participating bandwidth providers would adopt a "graduated response" to subscribers who repeatedly infringe copyrights.
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The RIAA and MPAA should DIAFF. I don't download any music or movies but I am tired of reading about their vigilantism. They aren't going to get money from those that do not pay. End of story. I wish they would stop wasting the money they get from me chasing them. I should boycott them to stop funding the vigilantism. I can play frisbee or ride a bike or masturbate and none of it costs me a dime. :eek:

This is all the result of them failing to adapt to the market. They should fire their marketing and legal teams and figure out how to get this right.
 
I guess ISPs haven't figured out from the mass lawsuits that cutting off everyone who pirates will leave them with no customers. I expect they're getting some great contract incentives on the cable TV side of their business to actively work against their own customers.
 
Kueller said:
I guess ISPs haven't figured out from the mass lawsuits that cutting off everyone who pirates will leave them with no customers. I expect they're getting some great contract incentives on the cable TV side of their business to actively work against their own customers.
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That's one thing they took out - they don't cut off anyone. They just throttle the hell out of people and/or proxy them. That way they can still charge you for that (although limited in use) internet fee like always, if they terminated your account they would have to stop charging you.

All I see this doing is making the real pirates just use SSL and VPN's. Yeah, they may not destroy your records, but it's still a hurdle for the RIAA/MPAA to jump through.

I wonder if the RIAA/MPAA has ever considered that the growth of piracy could be, partially, from their own actions. I can the activist types try to stick it to them by doing all the sharing.. (hence the sharing groups).
 
xxEIEIOxx said:
The RIAA and MPAA should DIAFF. I don't download any music or movies but I am tired of reading about their vigilantism. They aren't going to get money from those that do not pay. End of story. I wish they would stop wasting the money they get from me chasing them. I should boycott them to stop funding the vigilantism. I can play frisbee or ride a bike or masturbate and none of it costs me a dime. :eek:

This is all the result of them failing to adapt to the market. They should fire their marketing and legal teams and figure out how to get this right.
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Time for them to catch up, not hold us all back for a few more $$$$

It's just greed, someone lost a home or car because they didn't get 100% of the cash?
 
at least isps are taking it slowly.

if they went all out, they would lose business.

after all, why else do people subscribe to high speed internet but to download pirated goods ?

if you weren't downloading mp3s and movies and porn, you would only need 256k.
 
Does this apply to all or just to participating studios? There are quite a few people there torrenting gray areas like fansubs and bollywood films. They aren't licensed in the US and the studios doesn't seem to show interest in anything outside their region.

If you download JPOP, will the RIAA still go after you?
 
Spidey329 said:
That's one thing they took out - they don't cut off anyone. They just throttle the hell out of people and/or proxy them. That way they can still charge you for that (although limited in use) internet fee like always, if they terminated your account they would have to stop charging you.

All I see this doing is making the real pirates just use SSL and VPN's. Yeah, they may not destroy your records, but it's still a hurdle for the RIAA/MPAA to jump through.

I wonder if the RIAA/MPAA has ever considered that the growth of piracy could be, partially, from their own actions. I can the activist types try to stick it to them by doing all the sharing.. (hence the sharing groups).
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Indeed, I pay $6/mo for unlimited [1st rule redacted] access, SSL encrypted US and Euro servers.
 
Sly said:
Does this apply to all or just to participating studios? There are quite a few people there torrenting gray areas like fansubs and bollywood films. They aren't licensed in the US and the studios doesn't seem to show interest in anything outside their region.

If you download JPOP, will the RIAA still go after you?
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No, but your neighbors might... and the wrath might be worse :p
 
I did a show and was given a CD by the band performing, saw this nice bit along the edge of the CD case...

"All rights reserved to the extend that it does not interfere with fair use of the music by the consumer. Purchase of this recording constitutes an implicit understanding on the part of the consumer, the label and the artist that the consumer has perpetual rights to possession of the music in its digital format. The song on this album may be freely exchanged on file sharing networks under the conditions that no premium is charged, they are not altered in any way and a link back to the label site is provided. The songs on this album are available for non-commercial use. Please contact the label for commercial use. We do not recognize and are not bound by any RIAA negotiations."

This CD in particular was released in 2004.

So I decided to humour myself... went to piratebay and looked up the torrent for this album and started downloading it. Peerblocker went apeshit. For a release that explicitly states it's not RIAA affiliated, I was a bit pissed that the torrent was being so heavily monitored. Very few seeders/peers but tons of scrolling of blocked IPs on peerblocker.
 
This is fucking retarded... does that mean I got a strike against me?

Got an email regarding downloading of a movie I'd never download... like ever... cuz I'd pretty much never watch unless I'm with a group of friends that want to... and I don't have to pay and can freely walk out and do something fun (not loiter around, but play ......... Team fortress or something) instead.

I bet 50 % of people will be getting strikes on suspicion and lose their internet if this takes place.
 
techrat said:
I did a show and was given a CD by the band performing, saw this nice bit along the edge of the CD case...

"All rights reserved to the extend that it does not interfere with fair use of the music by the consumer. Purchase of this recording constitutes an implicit understanding on the part of the consumer, the label and the artist that the consumer has perpetual rights to possession of the music in its digital format. The song on this album may be freely exchanged on file sharing networks under the conditions that no premium is charged, they are not altered in any way and a link back to the label site is provided. The songs on this album are available for non-commercial use. Please contact the label for commercial use. We do not recognize and are not bound by any RIAA negotiations."

This CD in particular was released in 2004.

So I decided to humour myself... went to piratebay and looked up the torrent for this album and started downloading it. Peerblocker went apeshit. For a release that explicitly states it's not RIAA affiliated, I was a bit pissed that the torrent was being so heavily monitored. Very few seeders/peers but tons of scrolling of blocked IPs on peerblocker.
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Possibly unlisted to try to show they aren't affiliated from a big publisher to try to attract attention from possible fans who appose bands that sign under big labels. My Death Magnetic CD says the same thing.
 
Serpent said:
This is fucking retarded... does that mean I got a strike against me?

Got an email regarding downloading of a movie I'd never download... like ever... cuz I'd pretty much never watch unless I'm with a group of friends that want to... and I don't have to pay and can freely walk out and do something fun (not loiter around, but play ......... Team fortress or something) instead.

I bet 50 % of people will be getting strikes on suspicion and lose their internet if this takes place.
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I got the same thing when I had used a torrent to download one of NIN's self bublished (for free download off of their site but the link was so ungodly slow...). My ISP sent me an email in regards to my uploading behavior and that was the only item under uTorrent for the month. I think it is the ISP's looking at the UPLOAD AMOUNT more then the actual content thats being uploaded. When I was uploading my WoW content folder to 8 friends I also got a letter and that is for sure not illegal but they sent me an e-mail anyways.
 
Trimlock said:
Possibly unlisted to try to show they aren't affiliated from a big publisher to try to attract attention from possible fans who appose bands that sign under big labels. My Death Magnetic CD says the same thing.
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Nah, not in my case. The band that released this CD are people I know. They passed up a label that wanted to release their CD because it would have put them under Universal Records. They ended up self releasing the album instead. (I rephrased two lines to omit the label domainname so that it wouldn't be seen as an attempt to advertise them on here.)
 
Content providers should not be internet service providers.

The conflicts of interest are through the roof.

Soon your bill will look like this:

  • Base channel package: $49.99
  • Premium channel package: $130.00
  • 1 Mbit/sec internet: $79.99
  • Exceeded 30GB cap by 17GB: $170
  • Watched a Youtube video that showed unauthorized content owned by us (piracy charge): $13,000.00
  • Taxes and regulatory fees: $350
 
dr.kevin said:
if you weren't downloading mp3s and movies and porn, you would only need 256k.
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I don't download mp3's, movies, or porn. I do use Steam to play games on, which requires downloading a lot of data whenever a new game is installed or an update comes through. If someone throttled me to 256k I'd be furious.
 
Who needs to pirate.
1. Go to a site selling it that uses HTML 5
2. Download it for free as there is no protection for content using HTML5. Ooh I love you Microsoft!
 
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