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Timings & setup query (newbie)

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Hoonis

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Hello,

I picked up 2 sticks of corsair cmx10244300c2pt or "xms3200cl2". I can't seem to get my gigabyte k8nf to take it at cl2 though.. here's what I can manage (snips from output from an old copy of sandra):

Benchmark Results
RAM Bandwidth Int Buff'd iSSE2 : 5763 MB/s
RAM Bandwidth Float Buff'd iSSE2 : 5700 MB/s
Results Interpretation : Higher index values are better.

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-8 2CMD
Bank 1 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-8 2CMD
Channels : 1
Bank Interleave : 2-way
Speed : 2x 201MHz (402MHz data rate)
Width : 128-bit
Maximum Memory Bus Bandwidth : 6432MB/s (estimated)


I did some digging around and am having trouble finding recommended settings. The page from the online store I bought from (dabs.com) says:

"This memory has been verified to operate at 200 MHz (DDR400) at aggressive latencies of 2-3-3-6"

I'm not sure exactly which those 4 listed numbers correspond to?

Thanks in advance if you're able to help!

In case it matters, my board shows up with a 201 FSB when I run wcpuid. I recall an old G-byte board doing that years ago, at the time folks said that was a benchmark cheat to score slightly above competition... still true? Never true?
 
[ WCPUID Version 3.3 (c) 1996-2004 By H.Oda! ]

Processor #1 : AMD Athlon 64 3400+ / 9CDD88BF
Platform : Socket754 (mCPGA Package)
Vendor String : AuthenticAMD
CPU Type : Original OEM Processor (0)
Family : 15 (15)
Model : 15 (15)
Stepping ID : 0 (0)
Brand ID : 0 (268)
APIC : 0
HT Log.CPU Cnt : ----
Name String : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+

Internal Clock : 2211.34 MHz
System Bus : 201.03 MHz
System Clock : 201.03 MHz
Multiplier : 11.0

L1 I-Cache : 64K Byte
L1 D-Cache : 64K Byte
L1 T-Cache : ----
L1 Cache : ----
L2 Cache : 512K Byte
L2 Speed : 2211.34 MHz (Full)

MMX Unit : Supported
SSE Unit : Supported
SSE2 Unit : Supported
SSE3 Unit : Not Supported
MMX2 Unit : Supported
3DNow! Unit : Supported
3DNow!+ Unit : Supported

Host Bridge : 10DE:005E.A2
South Bridge : 10DE:005E.A2 [$NVIDIA Chipset]
VGA Device : 10DE:0141.A2 [$NVIDIA VGA]
Memory Size : 2048M Byte
Memory Clock : ----

OS Version : Windows XP Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2
-------------- : -----------------------------------
StdFunc 0 : 00000001 68747541 444D4163 69746E65
StdFunc 1 : 00000FF0 00000800 00000000 078BFBFF
ExtFunc 0 : 80000018 68747541 444D4163 69746E65
ExtFunc 1 : 00000FF0 0000010C 00000000 E1D3FBFF
ExtFunc 2 : 20444D41 6C687441 74286E6F 3620296D
ExtFunc 3 : 72502034 7365636F 20726F73 30303433
ExtFunc 4 : 0000002B 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 5 : FF08FF08 FF20FF20 40020140 40020140
ExtFunc 6 : 00000000 42004200 02008140 00000000
ExtFunc 7 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 0000000F
ExtFunc 8 : 00003028 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 9 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 10 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 11 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 12 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 13 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 14 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 15 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 16 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 17 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 18 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 19 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 20 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 21 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 22 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 23 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
ExtFunc 24 : 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
C0010010h : 00000000 00360601 00000000 8A35B650
C0010015h : 00000000 0E000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010016h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010017h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010018h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010019h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C001001Ah : 00000000 80000000 00000000 8A35B650
C001001Dh : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010041h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010042h : 00000202 000E0E0E 00000000 8A35B650
C0010111h : 00000000 000A0000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010112h : 00000000 00000000 00000000 8A35B650
C0010113h : 00000000 00000001 00000000 8A35B650

##--- Date 12/20/2005, Time 08:22:30 / 2.0.0.0
 
SiSoftware Sandra

Mainboard
Manufacturer : Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
MP Support : 1 Processor(s)
MPS Version : 1.40
Model : GA-K8NF-9 / GA-K8NF9-SI
System BIOS : 05/04/2005-NF-CK804-6A61FG0AC-00
Chipset : nVidia nForce4 ICP

System Memory Controller
Location : Mainboard
Error Correction Capability : None
Number of Memory Slots : 4
Maximum Installable Memory : 16GB
Bank0/1 - A0 : DIMM 1GB/64 @ 200Mt/s
Bank2/3 - A1 : DIMM 1GB/64 @ 200Mt/s
Bank4/5 - A2 : Empty
Bank6/7 - A3 : Empty

Chipset 1
Model : Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) Athlon 64 / Opteron HyperTransport Technology Configuration
Bus(es) : ISA PCI PCIe USB FireWire/1394 i2c/SMBus
Version : 1.02
Front Side Bus Speed : 2x 804MHz (1608MHz data rate)
Maximum FSB Speed / Max Memory Speed : 2x 800MHz / 2x 200MHz
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
IO Queue Depth : 8 request(s)

Chipset 1 Hub Interface
Type : HyperTransport
Version : 1.02
In/Out Width : 16-bit / 16-bit
Speed : 2x 804MHz (1608MHz data rate)

Logical/Chipset 1 Memory Banks
Bank 0 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-8 2CMD
Bank 1 : 1GB DDR-SDRAM 2.5-3-3-8 2CMD
Channels : 1
Bank Interleave : 2-way
Speed : 2x 201MHz (402MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/11x
Width : 128-bit
Refresh Rate : 5.00µs
Power Save Mode : No
Fixed Hole Present : No

Memory Module 1
Manufacturer : Corsair
Model : CMX1024-3200C2
Type : 1GB DDR-SDRAM
Technology : 16x(64Mx8)
Speed : PC3200U 3.0-3-3-8
Date of Manufacture : 25 December 1999
Set Timing @ 200MHz : 3.0-3-3-8

Memory Module 2
Manufacturer : Corsair
Model : CMX1024-3200C2
Type : 1GB DDR-SDRAM
Technology : 16x(64Mx8)
Speed : PC3200U 3.0-3-3-8
Date of Manufacture : 14 November 2159
Set Timing @ 200MHz : 3.0-3-3-8

Environment Monitor 1
Model : ITE IT8705/12 ISA
Mainboard Specific Support : No

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 25.0°C / 77.0°F
CPU Temperature : 31.0°C / 87.8°F
Power / Aux Temperature : 70.0°C / 158.0°F

Cooling Device(s)
Auto Fan Speed Control : No
Chassis Fan Speed : 1592rpm

Voltage Sensor(s)
CPU Voltage : 1.52V
Aux Voltage : 2.62V
+3.3V Voltage : 3.28V
+5V Voltage : 2.85V
+12V Voltage : 11.54V
-12V Voltage : -5.61V
-5V Voltage : -2.49V
Standby Voltage : 2.58V
Battery Voltage : 4.08V

PCI Bus(es) on Hub 1
Version : 2.30
Number of Bridges : 5
PCI Bus 0 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 1 : PCI (1/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 2 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 3 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 4 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)
PCI Bus 5 : PCIe (3/1x PCIClk)

LPC Hub Controller 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology nForce4 PCI to ISA Bridge

LPC Hub Controller 2
Model : Giga-Byte Technology nForce4 SMBus

USB Controller 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology nForce4 USB Controller
Version : 1.00
Interface : OHCI
Channels : 10
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps)
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

USB Controller 2
Model : Giga-Byte Technology nForce4 USB 2.0 Controller
Version : 2.00
Specification : 1.00
Interface : EHCI
Channels : 10
Companion Controllers : 1
Supported Speed(s) : Low (1.5Mbps) Full (12Mbps) High (480Mbps)
Addressing Support : 32-bit
Legacy Emulation Enabled : No

FireWire/1394 Controller 1
Model : Giga-Byte Technology TSB82AA2 IEEE-1394b Link Layer Controller
Version : 1.10
Interface : OHCI
Enhanced Support : No
Channels : 64
Speed : 400MHz

System SMBus Controller 1
Model : nVidia MCP2+ B0 SMBus
Version : 0A.02
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : No
PEC Support : No

System SMBus Controller 2
Model : nVidia MCP2+ B1 SMBus
Version : 0A.02
Advanced TCO Mode Enabled : No
Slave Device Enabled : No
PEC Support : No

Expansion Slot(s)
PCI (9h) : PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME i2c/SMBus Full-Length Available (Nvidia Corp nForce4 PCI Bridge)
PCI (Eh) : PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME i2c/SMBus Full-Length Available (Nvidia Corp nForce4 PCI Express Bridge)
PCI (Dh) : PCI 32-bit +5V +3.3V PME i2c/SMBus Full-Length Available (Nvidia Corp nForce4 PCI Express Bridge)

Port Connector
PRIMARY IDE : None - ATA / None
SECONDARY IDE : None - ATA / None
FDD : 8251 FIFO - Floppy Disk / None
COM1 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
COM2 : Serial Port 16450 - 9 Pin Dual Inline / DB-9 pin male
LPT1 : Parallel Port ECP/EPP - DB-25 pin female / DB-25 pin female
Keyboard : Keyboard - None / PS/2
PS/2 Mouse - No Detected : Mouse - PS/2 / PS/2
USB : USB - None / USB

Performance Tips
Notice 224 : SMBIOS/DMI information may be inaccurate.
Tip 2511 : Some memory slots are free so the memory can be easily upgraded.
Warning 100 : Large memory sizes should be made of Registered/Buffered memory.
Tip 2546 : Large memory modules should be ECC/Parity.
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
Tip 2 : Double-click tip or press Enter while a tip is selected for more information about the tip.
 
The numbers are cas-trp-trcd-tras in that order. These timings can be changed in the BIOS (not 100% sure about your mobo though). However if you haven't touched them it should read off the SPD and assuming it was set right upon manufacture you shouldn't have any problems.

[Ninja Edit]: Change Cas in bios to 2.
 
Thanks, that was fast!

I can't get it to load windows XP stably using CAS2.. and the "Auto" settings come up at CAS3.

On this board I hit Ctrl-f1 to see the timings.. quite a few listed. Thanks for detailing what is what!
 
Hoonis said:
Thanks, that was fast!

I can't get it to load windows XP stably using CAS2.. and the "Auto" settings come up at CAS3.

On this board I hit Ctrl-f1 to see the timings.. quite a few listed. Thanks for detailing what is what!
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I'm not familiar with you're mobo but try swapping them to slots 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 and see if it works that way. 0.5 extra cas is not a noticable performance gain so imo it's not actually worth the effort.
 
Timings:
memtimings.jpg


View of the motherboard:
mobo.jpg
 
looks pretty good, though i have concerns on how warm that second stick of ram is gonna get ;)
 
Warning 2518 : Mainboard temperature is too high.
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Always read the small print! :D

I had a mate who never even had any vents in his PC. Popped the side off and bingo - his hard locks stopped. I always thought this guy knew better too.

Those sticks are in the wrong slots too. The MSI boards are the only ones that have the ram populated that way (move the one on the right one slot to the right). This is what Eclipse is referring to.

Consider putting the CD/DVD-ROM drives on different IDE channels too... :D
Welcome to pedant's corner!
 
ColinR said:
The MSI boards are the only ones that have the ram populated that way
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there's more like this.. the dfi nf4 infinity iirc, and something else i don't remember :p
 
Yeah.. I saw that.. but I think it's picked that up from the PSU, and I think it's a misread of the sensor?

Temperature Sensor(s)
Board Temperature : 25.0°C / 77.0°F
CPU Temperature : 31.0°C / 87.8°F
Power / Aux Temperature : 70.0°C / 158.0°F

My psu does fan-bus stuff, but it certainly doesn't feel that hot! I could easily whack an exhaust fan under the PSU though :)

ColinR said:
Always read the small print! :D

I had a mate who never even had any vents in his PC. Popped the side off and bingo - his hard locks stopped. I always thought this guy knew better too.
Click to expand...
 
I'll give that a go- first time around my score plummetted if I put them in the different colored slots!

Thanks for the tip, didn't realize the dvd drivers were in the same channel! This box was a lidl deal by the way, pretty impressive for a place normally associated only with cheap gin and wierd discount dutch socks etc ;)

ColinR said:
Those sticks are in the wrong slots too. The MSI boards are the only ones that have the ram populated that way (move the one on the right one slot to the right). This is what Eclipse is referring to.

Consider putting the CD/DVD-ROM drives on different IDE channels too... :D
Welcome to pedant's corner!
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