Thoughts on an Upgrade

Markyip1

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Hey guys,

It's been about a year since I've been involved in my hardware hobby (and likewise this forum.) My photography has picked up recently such that I'm now shooting semi-pro, and the time put into that hobby is time unfortunately lost to hardware. Nevertheless, I've been poking around lately and given certain factors, I'm now thinking of getting into my yearly upgrade a bit early. Since I've been out of the loop for a bit, I was hoping for some thoughts and advice on what to look for.

Before I get into parts, here is a list of reasons why I'm thinking about upgrading now.

1. I'm sure (in part for work reasons) I will be upgrading to Windows 7 once the RTM is released to MSDN at the end of the month. If I have to redo a system I'm currently happy with, a hardware upgrade will help motivate me.

2. The performance of my water cooling system has degraded noticeably over the last month. I think its time to take it apart and give it a good cleaning. If I have to disassemble, I might as well make the most out of the project and upgrade.

3. Most importantly, it seems that now is the time to buy a Core i7 920. They're relatively cheap given the $200 MicroCenter deal, and I don't want to be without an inexpensive upgrade path to s1136 once they're discontinued. If I wait until the fall (or perhaps until USB3 is out,) will it be too late to get the 920?

Now on to parts discussion:

- I'd like to jump on the X-58 bandwagon sooner or later. As noted above, a reason for upgrading now is to get a Core i7 920 while they're cheap and available. Unfortunately, a Lynnfield replacement is unattractive to me. With 920s available for $200 at MicroCenter, is now the best time price wise to upgrade to a true socket 1136 i7 with all the trimmings I actually use (such as VT support?) Thoughts on this would be appreciated.

- My priorities have changed a bit since I was scouring Q6600 batches looking for a 4ghz OC. While the cpu and video card are still very important components in my system, so is my 3-drive RAID 5 array for photo storage. I've noticed that the P6T Deluxe lost it's secondary SATA controller and now only offers 6 SATA ports. This is unfortunately too few. Otherwise I wouldn't think twice about upgrading to a P6T Deluxe, as my P5Q right now is easily the best mobo I've ever owned. Anyway, my budget for a mobo is about $350+/-. I was wondering what people considered the best X-58 board that had more than 6 SATA ports.

Also, I'm aware of why ASUS removed the JMicron controller for the other ports. Are there boards with secondary SATA / SAS controllers that work with more than 3 gigs of RAM? (As of now, I'm thinking of either the Gigabyte EX-58 Extreme or the EVGA X58 Classified, although I really do like my ASUS and I'm a bit hesitant to go back to EVGA after past experiences.)

- I'm also undecided about keeping my water cooling system. I don't really see much of a need to OC these days, as I game less and photo-edit more. In the end I doubt I'll drop it however, as I do enjoy (and take pride) in tinkering with it, and it does a great job of impressing others. If I do go back to air cooling, what would be the best cooler for an i7 920? Is it still the TRUE 120 Extreme? If I stick with water cooling, it seems that everyone has moved on from the D-Tek Fuzion. What's the best water block right now for the i7?

I think that's it. Along with the proc, motherboard, and perhaps a new cooling device, the only other purchase will be for 12 gigs of G.Skill 1600mhz RAM (which at $5 more than their 1333mhz DIMMS, seems like a good buy.)

Thanks for any thoughs, advice, and words of encouragement :)
 
I don't believe that you'll find a better price on a Core i7 920. In fact, I took advantage of the MC deal myself.

Off the top of my head, I don't know of a better board for your needs other than the two that you've picked out for yourself. (Is there any reason why you aren't interested in a decent RAID card?)

The TRUE 120 is still (arguably) the best CPU air-cooler, but the Noctua NH-U12P and the Xigmatek S1283 are still good alternatives. The newer versions of each HSF (the TRUE 120 1366RT, the NH-U12P SE1366, and the Dark Knight S1283V, respectively) all have LGA1366 mounting brackets. Another good CPU cooler to consider is the Cooler Master V8. (I know little about water cooling parts, so I can't help you there.)
 
Mark! Nice to have you back... did you mean LGA1366? :p I agree, I don't think you'll find a better price any time soon. Though, a new, better chip may replace it for the same price, but I doubt it will be any time soon. SLBEJ is what you want.

I also got a D0 i7 920 from MC last week -- I simply wanted something to play with. My friend built his the week before and was disappointed with the C0 (stuck at 3.8Ghz, typical for its stepping), so he picked up the D0 stepping and was immediately able to hit 4.2Ghz with LESS voltage! I'll be playing with my 920 this weekend. :D

As for your 5-drive RAID5 array, I'd suggest moving away from the onboard controller and picking up a discrete RAID controller. I havent checked yet (for my X58-UD4P), but if they work on whichever board you choose, I'd suggest getting a Dell Perc5/i or 6/i and running your array off that instead of the onboard RAID.

No idea what the best waterblock right now is, but I suggest you keep the WC'ing if you're going to OC. These i7 chips run hotter than the Core2s. ;)

Oh, and in eVGA's defense, its not their fault... it was NVIDIA's. Thankfully, X58 is made by Intel, lol.
 
Thanks guys :)

I did mean LGA 1366, sorry. So anyway, next weekend I'll head over to the MicroCenter in Paterson NJ and see what they have (unfortunately I'll be away this weekend so this will have to wait a week.) I'm well aware Nehalems run hot. My early C0 920 at work (at stock speed with stock cooling) idles in the high 40s. However, you can't fault a chip that can run three versions of Windows (virtualized) at once without a speed penalty. Good luck with your chip Enginurd. Please let me know what you think of it.

The RAID card is a good idea. I know the Dell PERC series is a popular and inexpensive option, but is it true hardware RAID?

As for the motherboard, I have to say the EVGA is looking like the best bet at the moment. I know issues with past boards were due to the chipset, and back then, EVGA didn't even build in-house designs. However, I will miss the little nicities that come with the ASUS boards, such as a padded back plate and the bridge connector for the tiny power switch and LED connections.

Btw, does anyone have any experience with the ASUS Rampage Extreme II? It seems to have dropped in price, and may be worth considering along with the EVGA and the Gigabyte. One thing about the Gigabyte however is that it doesn't seem to have any ESATA ports. Is this indeed the case? Also, while the included waterblock is nice, is it really needed considering that these boards don't really have North Bridges in the traditional LGA 775 sense?

Thanks again!
 
The RAID card is a good idea. I know the Dell PERC series is a popular and inexpensive option, but is it true hardware RAID?
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One thing about the Gigabyte however is that it doesn't seem to have any ESATA ports. Is this indeed the case? Also, while the included waterblock is nice, is it really needed considering that these boards don't really have North Bridges in the traditional LGA 775 sense?

Thanks again!

The Dell Perc cards are indeed true hardware RAID, well at least the Perc 5/i and 6/i cards. Just in case you haven't seen my standard spiel on the Dell Perc 5/i cards:
If you don't mind buying used hardware with little or no warranty, you could buy a Dell Perc 5/i card off eBay for ~$100 or so plus two of these SFF-8484 to 4 x SATA Cables for ~$25. Thus, you get 8 ports and a true hardware RAID controller for around ~$125 or so. Add a battery backup unit for ~$40 and you're set in case of power outages as well up the performance. Not a bad deal considering that a new true PCI-E hardware RAID controller is around $300 (Areca ARC-1210) for 4 ports.

EDIT: As of May 2009, it seems that you can find many Perc 5/i cards with the BBU and PCI bracket for $120 and under. Excellent price!

But those Dell Perc 5/i cards are finicky about motherboards. It will take up PCI-E x16 slot if you don't have a PCI-E x8 slot.

Read these threads for more info:
Dell Perc 5/i RAID Card: Tips and Benchmarks
Finally went to a Hardware Raid5 controller...
Dell Perc 5/i - Mainboard Compatibility List
Solution for Dell Perc 5/i for Intel Chipsets
Add 8 device SAS/SATA 256MB BBU Enterprise class RAID card to your rig for about $100 w/ PERC 5i (LSI 8480E OEMed to Dell)

The EX58 Extreme does have eSATA available via a SATA to eSATA adapter that comes with the motherboard. Personally, I don't think the waterblock is needed due to the movement of the NB as you mentioned. In addition, it also blocks the top PCI-E x1 and limits the x4 slot (good slot for the Perc 5/i IMO if there was no limitation.)
 
Hey guys,

So yesterday I drove over to MicroCenter and picked up a 920 D0 (batch 3901A238) and the EVGA X58 Classified. Unfortunately, I won't have time to build for several weeks, and I'm waiting on RAM (OCZ Platinum 1600mhz CAS 7) from Amazon anyway. I also have to figure out the water block situation, as it looks like there are better options than my FuZion V1 for the i7 and that the board itself can benefit from watercooling. Thanks again for the input. I'll post pictures in a couple of weeks when all the parts are here and I'm ready to build.
 
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