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this can't be real...

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ok, we've all seen the 100-colors Pentax lineup for their new dslr, but is this for real:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20091016_321965.html

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Looks like someone took a marker to a DSLR. I wouldn't be caught with one of those...
 
Sexy. I'll have to vomit all over my wardrobe to match.

I wouldn't want to look rediculous...
 
What is wrong with it? Just because you don't like the color scheme that makes it wrong or an awful idea?
I personally don't like the colors, but I don't see what is wrong with offering this or cameras with different colors. In fact I think it's a great idea, separates them for the norm, which is something they need right now. We'll see if the marketing strategy works, I think it will. However this isn't geared so much for the US market. Looks like we have a skin deep type group here...

I think this thread had some nice posts on the matter:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=33382983
 
The colors remind me of gundam, I don't even mind owning one. It's looks pretty unique.. for a dslr.
 
PC_User said:
The colors are just part of it. First of all, it's a Pentax... :rolleyes:
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Is that a joke or are you really that dense?

I shoot with Pentax and when I was shopping for a camera way back when the K10D blew every other camera out of the water. Pentax makes some great cameras as do all manufactures. With that being said, all manufactures also make flukes, not that I think this camera by Pentax is one.
Honestly open your eyes mate :rolleyes:
 
vroom_skies said:
Is that a joke or are you really that dense?

I shoot with Pentax and when I was shopping for a camera way back when the K10D blew every other camera out of the water. Pentax makes some great cameras as do all manufactures. With that being said, all manufactures also make flukes, not that I think this camera by Pentax is one.
Honestly open your eyes mate :rolleyes:
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I simply allude to the inferiority of Pentax cameras relative to Canon and Nikon. Perhaps you should browse the [H]otdeals section for a sense of humour.
 
PC_User said:
I simply allude to the inferiority of Pentax cameras relative to Canon and Nikon. Perhaps you should browse the [H]otdeals section for a sense of humour.
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Ah yes, the typical refusal of a photographer to look beyond Canon or Nikon systems, regarding all other systems such as Sony, Pentax, Olympus, etc. inferior.

(though I'm being a hypocrite since I shoot Nikon, but then I shoot it since my friend shoots Nikon, and it's quite handy to borrow and lend lenses to him)
 
PC_User said:
I simply allude to the inferiority of Pentax cameras relative to Canon and Nikon. Perhaps you should browse the [H]otdeals section for a sense of humour.
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Wow, not only are you denser then iridium, you're clueless too boot. The only areas I completely give to Canon & Nikon would be AF Continuous speed and the availability longer lenses. The K7 is still a little behind in general AF speed, however it's no where near what the gap used to be, so I'll hold that as a mute point. So the only areas I feel Canon & Nikon are still ahead would be the two listed above. All other aspects come down to personal preference really. Although IMO, Pentax wins in quite a few of them.

As stated every manufacture can put out a great product, not just Canon & Nikon.
Good golly :rolleyes:
 
vroom_skies said:
Wow, not only are you denser then iridium, you're clueless too boot. The only areas I completely give to Canon & Nikon would be AF Continuous speed and the availability longer lenses. The K7 is still a little behind in general AF speed, however it's no where near what the gap used to be, so I'll hold that as a mute point. So the only areas I feel Canon & Nikon are still ahead would be the two listed above. All other aspects come down to personal preference really. Although IMO, Pentax wins in quite a few of them.
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You seem to have overlooked superior build quality, better glass and optics, much wider selection of lenses and accessories, built-in image stabilization into the lens (rather than the body), significantly better lenses for low-light and action photography, and several other factors. Here is a quick comparison of prime lenses and macro/telephoto lenses.

Now you can proceed to defending your inferior Pentax. One of us is dense, but it certainly isn't me. :D
 
O my.... you clearly haven't held the K10D, K20D or K7. In each of their price brackets, those cameras DESTROY the competition in build quality/ ergonomics. The K10D which was the price match for the XTI was like a tank vs a peddle cart. Anyone that has used both would agree. However that's a mute point, since how a camera feels in ones hands is all personal preference.

Better glass/ optics? Not really. More glass? Sure. However you only need a few lenses, let alone just one of a kind, not multiples. So therefore again pretty much a mute point. If Pentax doesn't offer the lenses you need then don't go with them, same with Nikon or Canon. You go with the brand that caters to your needs the best.

Pentax has some fast glass just like Canon & Nikon, however low light/ action photography was already given to C&N in my previous post, as that deals more with AF.

I'd MUCH rather have in body stabilization then in lens. Therefore the stabilization works on ANY lens EVER made for Pentax, which btw you can still use to this day. I'd gladly miss two or so stops for that.

So yeah, the only two areas in which Canon & Nikon are better would be AF Continuous & longer glass.

You have to stop assuming things are absolutes.
 
vroom_skies said:
O my.... you clearly haven't held the K10D, K20D or K7. In each of their price brackets, those cameras DESTROY the competition in build quality/ ergonomics. The K10D which was the price match for the XTI was like a tank vs a peddle cart. Anyone that has used both would agree. However that's a mute point, since how a camera feels in ones hands is all personal preference.
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I've held and used the K10D and the K7. Build quality is OK, but did not like the ergonomics.

vroom_skies said:
Better glass/ optics? Not really. More glass? Sure. However you only need a few lenses, let alone just one of a kind, not multiples. So therefore again pretty much a mute point. If Pentax doesn't offer the lenses you need then don't go with them, same with Nikon or Canon. You go with the brand that caters to your needs the best.
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Any professional photographer will tell you that the Canon/Nikon glass is by far superior to Pentax's, so this is a mute point. Having one of a kind is a misinformed or naive statement as well.

vroom_skies said:
I'd MUCH rather have in body stabilization then in lens. Therefore the stabilization works on ANY lens EVER made for Pentax, which btw you can still use to this day. I'd gladly miss two or so stops for that.
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False. Having image stabilization built into the lens produces far superior results in terms of IQ, motion blur, and vignetting than having it built into the body. What you said proves that you still have much to learn about how digital cameras operate and is rather naive on your part.

vroom_skies said:
So yeah, the only two areas in which Canon & Nikon are better would be AF Continuous & longer glass.
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As mentioned about, these are not the only two areas and *hypothetically* even if they were, they are rather huge areas to overlook.

vroom_skies said:
You have to stop assuming things are absolutes.
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I speak in factual/technical information rather than refusing to accept reality and convincing myself of things which are simply untrue. The bottom line is that Pentax cameras may be fine for some photographers and may not even be so bad when considered in their own right, but stating that they are comparable to Canon/Nikon is a simply ludicrous statement!
 
PC_User said:
I've held and used the K10D and the K7. Build quality is OK, but did not like the ergonomics.

Any professional photographer will tell you that the Canon/Nikon glass is by far superior to Pentax's, so this is a mute point. Having one of a kind is a misinformed or naive statement as well.

False. Having image stabilization built into the lens produces far superior results in terms of IQ, motion blur, and vignetting than having it built into the body. What you said proves that you still have much to learn about how digital cameras operate and is rather naive on your part.

As mentioned about, these are not the only two areas and *hypothetically* even if they were, they are rather huge areas to overlook.

I speak in factual/technical information rather than refusing to accept reality and convincing myself of things which are simply untrue. The bottom line is that Pentax cameras may be fine for some photographers and may not even be so bad when considered in their own right, but stating that they are comparable to Canon/Nikon is a simply ludicrous statement!
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1) You better be comparing the K10D/ K7 to a 5D MII or above. Or, if you considered the XTI a hunk of junk, then it might make sense. Other wise that OK is lack luster and I would have disagree. However, remember I said in their price bracket. Although I think were thawing that brain of yours as your agreeing this is all a mute point since it varies from person to person, glad that is sorted out.

2) That's a fairly dense response. I'm telling you their glass isn't superior. There goes your statement. Other then that, if you want to waste money on a lens that covers the same focal length then go for it, I'd rather spend my money else where. Are having more options bad? Of course not, but Pentax has plenty of options with the help of 3rd party vendors such as Sigma & Tamron, minus the longer glass. Even though Sigma has some for Pentax, I'm giving that to C&N since them dominate in that area.

3) What? Did you even read what I wrote? You can't answer false to that. It was all my opinion (I even gave credit to in lens stabilization), minus the part about stabilization working on any Pentax lens, which is down right true. However that's still yet another mute point, since each brand has a complete different feature set and it's up to the user to decide what they want. So if I still have much to learn about this, then you better be meeting me in school to work on your reading skills.

4) Once again, I didn't over look them. I STATED that those were a weakness to the Pentax brand and a strength to Canon & Nikon :rolleyes:

5) Pentax cameras ARE better then Canon & Nikon's... in my opinion and plenty of other peoples opinions as well. You're still trying to throw absolutes out there and keep saying that Canon & Nikon are the be all end all. We all know that isn't true. What a shocker that people would want to buy my work when it was shot with a ... Pentax GASP!

However ALL this is besides the point as it comes down to what an individual wants/ needs. You don't see everyone driving a Subaru do you?
Further more, lets go back to the topic. Does having funky colors on a camera make it a bad camera? Not at all.
 
OP camera looks pretty cool to me. I'd never use one personally, but looks like it'd be an awesome gift for a kid who wanted to get into slr photo. If the price is right, this thing will probably sell like crazy in upcoming holidays.

*if anyone here told their grandma they want a camera for xmas, now might be a good time to mention you want a black one. :p
 
vroom_skies said:
Pentax cameras ARE better then Canon & Nikon's... in my opinion and plenty of other peoples opinions as well.
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You are certainly entitled to have an opinion, but unfortunately, an opinion does nothing to improve the quality of your camera and the images it produces. A big part of an image's appeal and splendor is due to the photographer - having the "eye", making the right composition, configuring the proper settings, etc. The other part has to do with the quality body/lens combination which still influences the image that comes out, no matter how good the photographer is. Thus, if you think that Pentax cameras are better than Canon, Nikon, and all other brands, that is fine by me. The entire point of each of my posts was to establish that there are certain indisputable technical aspects and factors which place the former brands at a relative advantage. You can't change these factors with mere opinions.

I can think that my Subaru is faster than the next guy's Ferrari, but on paper, 220 horsepower certainly does not outperform 500 hp no matter how well you spin it. ;)

By the way, your last phrase that it "all comes down to what an individual wants/needs" is probably the most truthful think you've posted in this entire thread. I would assume that most photographers want the best camera that they can afford, and fortunately, Canon and Nikon provide them with those options (as well as plenty of room for future upgrades to "L" quality lenses).
 
Yes! We've got some common sense in the room.
As stated it's all relative, what works for you might not work for the next person.
What's funny is that some of my most popular images were taken with my 18-55 kit lens, while Pentax makes great kit lenses, there is obviously better glass to be had. However did my clients notice the difference? Nope, not at all. They saw something they liked and bought it.
With all that being said, I still think the only two indisputable advantages to Canon & Nikon would be the two I listed before. Is that to say that Pentax wins in all other areas? No, not at all. I'm merely saying that all the other aspects are disputable and what one user likes in Pentax, another might like in Canon or Nikon.

Sure, but if the Ferrari is running on bald tires you'd be hard pressed to get better lap times then the Subby.
 
madFive said:
OP camera looks pretty cool to me. I'd never use one personally, but looks like it'd be an awesome gift for a kid who wanted to get into slr photo. If the price is right, this thing will probably sell like crazy in upcoming holidays.

*if anyone here told their grandma they want a camera for xmas, now might be a good time to mention you want a black one. :p
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to each their own, i guess. but it won't sell like cupcakes this holiday season. it's a limited edition (only 100 made) and available exclusively in Japan. either way, i think the swarovski pentax was "better" looking then this one. i wonder what's next for them. perhaps a modern age graffiti painted dslr?

btw. Leica pwns all ;)
 
vroom_skies said:
O my.... you clearly haven't held the K10D, K20D or K7. In each of their price brackets, those cameras DESTROY the competition in build quality/ ergonomics. The K10D which was the price match for the XTI was like a tank vs a peddle cart. Anyone that has used both would agree. However that's a mute point, since how a camera feels in ones hands is all personal preference.

Better glass/ optics? Not really. More glass? Sure. However you only need a few lenses, let alone just one of a kind, not multiples. So therefore again pretty much a mute point. If Pentax doesn't offer the lenses you need then don't go with them, same with Nikon or Canon. You go with the brand that caters to your needs the best.


You have to stop assuming things are absolutes.
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PC_User said:
Any professional photographer will tell you that the Canon/Nikon glass is by far superior to Pentax's, so this is a mute point. Having one of a kind is a misinformed or naive statement as well.
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I think both of you guys mean MOOT point. Not mute. :rolleyes:

As for the camera. I bet it'll sell great in Japan. :p
 
Moot point, thank you OmegaSupreme, I was just about to point that out.

Also, at least three users use "then" in lieu of than.

Thanks for the interesting Pentax vs others discussion! :)
 
Very unique thats for sure, I actually like it. It seems like they are trying to infuse a little creativity and fun into the user with the color scheme. As far as the specs go we all know its not really the equipment its how you use it right ;)


Just looked at the link, whats the deal with the robot? I saw that is was "popular in Japan" but does anyone know anything else?
 
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