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The Outer Worlds 2

This is on my very short "must buy" list for this year, for sure....

It's a shame the Spacer's Choice edition was so buggy cuz Lord knows it ran 10x smoother than the original version. (stutters no matter what you do etc)
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmEc1mv4Ago

The "flaws" could end up being fun if they're done right. Feels like most games make this sort of thing never worth the trade-off.
They keep going back to wanting your choices to matter, which is a double-edged sword. It's neat since it makes dialogue worthwhile. However in nearly ever instance of that there's a right and a wrong choice. They wrong one gets shafted with inferior rewards, making the whole thing just an excercise in saying what you think they want.
 
Looks good to me. Though I would have preferred if they went to a Mass Effect 2 style cinematic camera over the Fallout 3 style camera that is used in all Bethesda and Obsidian games. I don't expect the voice acting or characters to be all that great regardless. The main thing here is the story writing and dialogue options need to offer real variety. Too many games do the Starfield thing, lots of talking of little importance/substance, that all end up being circular conversations with no options to change the outcome. I'm getting so tired of games that do that. If you're not offering real dialogue branches and the result is always the same, then just make it a normal cut scene.
 
Domingo said:
The "flaws" could end up being fun if they're done right. Feels like most games make this sort of thing never worth the trade-off.
They keep going back to wanting your choices to matter, which is a double-edged sword. It's neat since it makes dialogue worthwhile. However in nearly ever instance of that there's a right and a wrong choice. They wrong one gets shafted with inferior rewards, making the whole thing just an excercise in saying what you think they want.
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Yeah, I was never a fan of this game feature and usually didn't take it.
 
piratepress said:
Yeah, I was never a fan of this game feature and usually didn't take it.
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Ditto. I don't think I ever saw enough value in any of them. Both for roleplaying or just trying to get by. I don't think they should be as OP'd as the mutations in Fallout 76 (which have almost no downsides), but there should be a worthwhile tradeoff. The ones in the new video seem appropriate. I'm intrigued with a flaw for savescumming - that's probably right up my alley.
 
I hope they deliver a great game with this, wouldn't that be nice but everything they're describing for the new combat features sounds incredibly basic
 
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The stuff they've added sounds basic, but (strangely) most action RPG's seem to forgo things like mantling, sliding, alternate fire modes, etc. Playing Fallout 4 after playing something like COD, Halo, or Far Cry can feel really limiting if not clunky. I appreciate that they've looked to action games for inspiration. If combat is in real-time, I'm all for making things as shooter-like as possible.
 
I feel bad for Obsidian. They probably would prefer to price it lower. If I recall their other recent games were generally priced around $60. I liked The Outer Worlds, but it wasn't the highest quality and didn't quite command full price. If I recall it was $60. This being $80 will be a tougher sell even if the quality is improved.
 
piratepress said:
No worries, it's on Gamepass!

https://www.purexbox.com/news/2025/06/xboxs-the-outer-worlds-2-launches-on-game-pass-this-october
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I wouldn't give in, that was always their intention. Raise prices, then likely delay release dates, or exclude content from games - anything to get you to default to rentals. Once enough people get hooked on the rentals more tiers will come with more confusing levels for what content is included (missions, weapons, etc.). They'll do their best to make buying the game is less desirable as rentals are more profitable for them. If you think seasons passes are bad now, just wait and see what they will do once timed rentals are the norm.

If you don't like the price just don't buy it or Game Pass. Slow sales will make the re-evaluate their position.
 
I loved The Outer Worlds and played it twice, which is something I almost never do. Eighty dollars is nothing for this. Probably my most anticipated title of the year.

Presently, Avowed is easily my GOTY so far.
 
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Outer Worlds 2 Is Xbox's First $80 Video Game
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$80 are you kidding me!

PC prices drop fast so this will just cause more people to wait a few months for a good sale...I could somewhat understand Elder Scrolls 6, Red Dead Redemption 3 or Elden Ring 2 with its huge open worlds being worth $80...if it's under 80 hours playtime then it's not worth $80
 
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I have no patience for any pc gamer who complains about a game that’s available on Gamepass being too expensive.

Gamepass is the greatest entertainment value for your dollar period. If all you had was a monthly subscription to Gamepass you could still game around the clock literally for years and not play the same game twice.

If you can’t find the money for Gamepass then you probably shouldn’t be gaming to begin with. The shit that gamers complain and whine about these days is fucking pathetic.

… but of course we know by now that at this forum the people who bitch the most about certain games aren’t actually interested in those games. Gaming isn’t their actual hobby… hating games and expressing that hatred is.
 
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I support the $12-24 pricing model.
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That's me, but I can see how studios need people to purchase at full price in order to sustain development of future titles. I have no problem with people buying @ $60 even if my backlog and lack of FOMO means that I can easily wait for a sale that causes a title to fall within the range that you describe. But this new $80 pricing model is fucking gross and borderline predatory. Thanks, Nintendo.

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I have no patience for any pc gamer who complains about a game that’s available on Gamepass being too expensive.

Gamepass is the greatest entertainment value for your dollar period. If all you had was a monthly subscription to Gamepass you could still game around the clock literally for years and not play the same game twice.

If you can’t find the money for Gamepass then you probably shouldn’t be gaming to begin with. The shit that gamers complain and whine about these days is fucking pathetic.

… but of course we know by now that at this forum the people who bitch the most about certain games aren’t actually interested in those games. Gaming isn’t their actual hobby… hating games and expressing that hatred is.
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I have no patience for any pc gamer who can't see the forest for the trees.

Believe it or not, there is a huge contingent of gamers who prefer to own their games rather than rent them. I won't argue that Game Pass isn't a good value for folks who are fine with renting, or playing a game as a one-and-done, but it most definitely isn't about "not being able to find the money for it." Game Pass is cheap as fuck. I simply have no desire for most subscription services because I enjoy replaying older titles (especially on newer hardware such as when I got a 120 Hz monitor with G-Sync and was able to re-experience older titles much more smoothly than when I had first played them, or years later with RTX Remix mods which drastically modernize the graphics, etc.), and also because the subscription experience almost always gets worse with time. Look at Netflix, Amazon Prime, and more recently, YouTube Premium. Prices have gone up drastically and ads are now being introduced into many tiers of these services, despite the huge initial allure of you know...not having ads. And if you think that won't continue to get worse, IMHO you're naive because we have plenty of history to look at that will tell us where things are headed.

I think you need to carefully consider Flogger23m's post and recognize that maybe, games being exclusively available on Game Pass (which will happen if they continue to push upwards towards $80-$100 since many folks won't be able to justify that) might not be a good thing for gamers. Once Game Pass captures enough of the market, they can and will exercise even more control over the experience. In addition to having a limited and constantly changing selection of titles, are you OK with seeing ads in the middle of your game (either an obnoxiously intrusive overlay or the game pausing in the middle of gamplay to run an ad)? If you think that sounds absurd, again I would just ask you to look at not only history but what's happening now with existing services like YouTube Premium Lite in order to see where things could easily go.

I think Game Pass is an OK option for some folks as it currently stands, but please don't be one of those people who pushes everyone toward a subscription service while disregarding all of the potential damage it could do to gaming if it captures enough of a userbase to make traditional game sales unattractive...which could happen with $80+ games, which you also support.
 
I wanted to own games as well but then I read a few EULAs and guess what, you own nothing. All these digital games can be recalled. If you see Switch 2, they can even ban your hardware just because it connects to the internet once in a while. So good luck trying to "own" anything. Even disc games can be neutered (maybe some can't) but most of the digital distribution is like this.

As for sub model. I think it will kill off the weak for sure. But most subs are actually allowing people to experience more games than individual sales. That is why these companies are OK to showcase their games on subs. I can't believe that over past 5 years subs led to a decline for all studios and still they would engage in that practice. Something must be working for it to be considered still. But I have not seen proof either to support or not support gaming subs. Everywhere else subs work and has been proven.
 
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I wanted to own games as well but then I read a few EULAs and guess what, you own nothing.
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So you did something here that most gamers wouldn’t, which was to read the agreement and inform yourself.

In the digital age, we don’t own our games.

You’re too smart for this forum,
 
There's only one way to truly own most games now days... That being said, I couldn't care less. By the time a game leaves these services I've moved on long before. If the game is good enough and engaging enough to where I happen to still be playing it at that point I have no qualms about throwing down a few extra bucks at the likely discounted rate it would be going for to keep it in my library. I just consider it a tip to the developer for making such a good and long lasting game.
 
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I wanted to own games as well but then I read a few EULAs and guess what, you own nothing.
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Only if you give up. You can truly own copies of games if you buy them from places that provide offline installers, like Itch and GOG. Once you have those, they can't take them away from you regardless of what the EULA says.
 
Aside from GOG, where you can download the installers, all of the digital games on Steam etc. can be recalled yes. But so far that hasn't really happened in many notable cases, has it? Even EA etc. who no longer sell some of the older NFS games for example, still allow you to play them as long as you have them in your library. The fact that they don't still SELL them is irksome, but that's preferable to revoking the licenses from people who purchased them.

Ubisoft notwithstanding, who likes to break their older games while still selling them on storefronts. Why AC2 and some of those old games still require an internet connection to play single player content from 2010 is beyond me. If Steam is online and connected, that should be enough. You're at the mercy of Ubi's old servers staying online, which time and time again haven't been.


View: https://youtu.be/jUtKF3eW6n0?si=y5LsNcoaG1RnWrc8

Besides, if it does happen and they recall the game causing it to not function or disappear from your library, guess what? There are solutions and workarounds. Let's call them alternatives to GOG's backup installers.

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So you did something here that most gamers wouldn’t, which was to read the agreement and inform yourself.

In the digital age, we don’t own our games.

You’re too smart for this forum,
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Everyone knows what those EULAs say by now. This is well known, and you're not shedding any new light here. See above. And while you're at it, see grifter's reply. If you have so much disdain for the forum, then fuck on off with the insults and condescension.
 
Want to like it but never finished the 1st game either version it's not bad but Borderlands 4 is right around the corner.
 
I am going to keep subbing. It has saved me tons of money and I never really revisit games - ever. If I do, anyways I will buy it for cheap / heavy discounts if it gets removed from the store or my sub expires (e.g., atomic heart I had to buy on a massive discount, still haven’t played though).

But yeah, if game is over priced, I will look for alternatives like I always have been. And if I think it is worth it, I will day one it. Price at the end of the day is my own determination of what value I will derive from a particular game. For this one, decision is simple, it has to be a sub. Later if it is available for cheap I may indulge to “own it”.
 
Gamers themselves have been complaining that games have been getting worse and worse for years. Maybe suddenly knocking the prices up $20 after 30 years is the solution we didn't know we needed. :cool:
 
I am assuming the higher prices will bring forward more serious gamers than bargain hunter complainers that have flooded proper gaming lately… 👀
Also GOG doesn't have 90% of the games I want to play and when I want to play them.
 
KickAssCop said:
I am assuming the higher prices will bring forward more serious gamers than bargain hunter complainers that have flooded proper gaming lately… 👀
Also GOG doesn't have 90% of the games I want to play and when I want to play them.
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Dude, what are you talking about? You're always talking about playing games for "free" via Game Pass, which is very affordable itself...and then possibly buying games you really like at a heavy/massive discount later. Yet you lecture us about folks not wanting to pay $80 per game? :confused: And even if you were willing to pay the $80, I can't really take this seriously because you self-admit to overpaying for things like your 5090 and Switch 2 because you have to have them ASAP. Not really the best source. It's no wonder that people are seeing what $50 can get you with a GOTY candidate like Clair Obscur and then asking, "OK, now why the heck does Ubisoft want $70 for a tired, bland, barely innovative AC: Shadows game?" I wouldn't call them bargain hunters as much as people who have trouble swallowing the ever-increasing dick of some of these greedy corporations. I'm having a hard time reconciling why it's suddenly cool to be in favor of multimillion dollar corps who are making gaming more transactional than ever in order to please investors, and be completely apathetic to consumer rights and protections. Wild times.

I'm all for options. The more options the better. I'm not saying that Game Pass should go away, and already said that it's a good value for people who don't mind renting. I just don't want to see titles go exclusively to Game Pass, because that removes options for other people. But that's what may happen if folks aren't willing to pay $80 per game. Hopefully there is some resistance to it, but a lot of gamers are susceptible to FOMO and that's partly why we're here. But I have seen a ton of sentiment in reddit threads and YT comment sections regarding some of the anti-consumer practices going on in the gaming industry right now. I can't quantify it, but the Switch 2 launch being a giant "meh" according to almost everyone that didn't have to have one does give me some hope.

edit: Agree re: GOG. They don't have a lot of games that Steam has, but they are slowly getting better. They are the only storefront I'm aware of that lets you download your entire game without DRM or internet required to play. I'm sure that's also why many of the abovementioned corporations don't want their games on there. But I encourage folks to support GOG when they can, so that 1) they will continue to be around as one of the most pro-consumer gaming sites and 2) more success and partnerships will bring more success and partnerships. They will never offer the number of games that Steam does (which let's be honest, many of which are trash) but more is better than less.
 
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