The Mystery Of TrueCrypt's Disappearance

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lcpiper

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My point is that the people who service the interest on the debt allow government departments to concoct items that the citizens are not privy to. That the privacy we pay to create is off limits to us.

Umm, I think what you are saying is that this really good encryption, or whatever the product, is denied to the little guy. But the reality is that they have to deny it to the little guy and control who can have it so that our enemies can't have it. We suffer without to make sure they can't get it because it's in our best interest that our government can know what our enemies are doing.

I'm sorry man, but knowing that country X plans to do something that has a very bad impact on our country is more important then whether any individual one of us has the best personal protection going. It's the betterment of the group over the individual.

I never accused you of tax fraud either, I just took exception to your suggestion that somehow I only benefit and don't pay in as well.

As for siphoning of tax revenues let's get real. It's actually just another form of business, a monopoly to be sure, but it's just another business. There are employees, drones that get paid to do whatever, there are managers, there are CEOs, there are customers, and it makes money. It provides services whether you need or use them all, or qualify, whatever, it does provide services.

And yes you struck a nerve. A couple of you guys got some very wrong ideas about me and it's not the first time I've told you different. I'm in the same rotten shitty boat as the rest of you. In fact, my seat on the boat just got a little shittier then the average one.

Just like Stiletto coming in here and saying I am always defending the government what that is not true. Pointing out that a news piece that attacks some part of the government is false or misleading is not a defense of the government, it's an attack on the news piece and in some cases it's helps focus the real issue at another part of the government were it really belongs.

Now if you buy into some spin artists lies and decide you have a personal stake in truth of his claims that's your water to carry. But my showing you that the other guy is lying isn't an attack on you, it's a favor.
 

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Time to go home, I'm tired and it's time to get my game on and forget all this shit for awhile. Monday there will be new crap in the news to troll over, piece to all and your families.
 

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Umm, I think what you are saying is that this really good encryption, or whatever the product, is denied to the little guy. But the reality is that they have to deny it to the little guy and control who can have it so that our enemies can't have it.

Because the reality of the situation is that the 'little guy' is just as much the enemy as the supposed 'bad guys'. Hence why they spy on us. A potential revolution is just as damaging. Of course the military washes those concepts out in boot camp so you wouldn't know bout that there concept. You're NOT like our founding fathers, one bit





FYI: Off Topic. Awesome movie coming out soon
 

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Firday next week is the next round of "Will you still have a job or not?" It's contract time and mine is up for bid again.

If my company wins and if my task isn't cut then I still have a job. If another company winds and the customer is happy with my work, maybe I have a new job. Otherwise I join the ranks of the unemployed again and start looking for something that pays the bills, here or wherever.

More next week.
 

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Because the reality of the situation is that the 'little guy' is just as much the enemy as the supposed 'bad guys'. Hence why they spy on us. A potential revolution is just as damaging. Of course the military washes those concepts out in boot camp so you wouldn't know bout that there concept. You're NOT like our founding fathers, one bit

What do you know about the military or boot camp? Nothing at all or you wouldn't say this.

I'm too tired to fight with someone who can be told what is true and shown what is false and still can't believe it.
 

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Firday next week is the next round of "Will you still have a job or not?" It's contract time and mine is up for bid again.

If my company wins and if my task isn't cut then I still have a job. If another company winds and the customer is happy with my work, maybe I have a new job. Otherwise I join the ranks of the unemployed again and start looking for something that pays the bills, here or wherever.

More next week.

Believe it or not, I don't wish you ill will. My argument is not with individuals, it is with the government. That is not a business, it is a gang of thugs.
 

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What do you know about the military or boot camp? Nothing at all or you wouldn't say this.

My entire family you don't say....

I'm too tired to fight with someone who can be told what is true and shown what is false and still can't believe it.

Remove the mirrors from your house, that should help quite a bit.
 

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So how can I crack my 100GB volume that I lost the password to?

You could try Passware (www.lostpassword.com). I've never used decrypting a volume, but it works great on Adobe PDF, Microsoft Office, and Quickbooks files.
 

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There are mostly 2 kinds of people who use crypting:

1) The people who really do not need it but are paranoid
2) Criminals

Only some folks in communist dictatorships etc. really need encryption. Any law abiding citizen does not. I reckon Tor, crypt etc. are very popular with kiddie molesters etc. nice people.
UGH. There are all flavors of "criminals" and that includes those that are doing things that really should be legal in a modern society. The people that were using TOR to buy shrooms, NBOMe, etc are somehow merged with child rapists in your mind?:eek:
 

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People started scrutinizing it and it was ok but lack luster at various point. The Author(s) probably didn't want to deal with the flak either emotionally or have the resources or will to put into fixing it.
 

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No, becoming a VA Beneficiary.

Dad and brother were Navy and Army, respectively, and told me to stay the hell out.

Besides which, for all your praise showered upon what turns out to be a prime example of government-managed health services, you are looking at the past. I'm looking at right now, when we have record numbers of servicemen and women blowing their own goddamned heads off, and VA clinics knowingly shuffling them around like cards in order to meet bureaucratic standards. The result of these office maneuvers is soldiers who need help not getting it before they buy a one-way ticket on the bullet train.

So tell me some more about how wonderful they are, because it doesn't make a bit of difference. And for someone who takes umbrage about being accused of "always defending government", jumping to the defense of the VA at one of the lowest points in their history seems to be child's play for you.
 

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Creepy, is that you?

I thought so, too. The number of alt accounts on here is getting stupid. They do nothing but shit up a thread and switch names around when an old account doesn't get enough bites. Really wish they would go away.
 

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Umm, I think what you are saying is that this really good encryption, or whatever the product, is denied to the little guy. But the reality is that they have to deny it to the little guy and control who can have it so that our enemies can't have it.

Gee, this argument seems really flexible. Like, you could apply it to anything! Arms, alternative energy, medicine, internet access...you could restrict all kinds of things from private ownership by claiming that the terrorists want it!

Not that anyone would ever do that, of course.
 

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Time to go home, I'm tired and it's time to get my game on and forget all this shit for awhile. Monday there will be new crap in the news to troll over, piece to all and your families.
Oh... Peace...
 

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There are mostly 2 kinds of people who use crypting:

1) The people who really do not need it but are paranoid
2) Criminals

Only some folks in communist dictatorships etc. really need encryption. Any law abiding citizen does not.

Or say, Dr's office's -- where we are REQUIRED BY LAW to use it due to HIPAA.
Or say, law office's -- where data is covered by client attorney privilege.
Or say, a political campaign -- where information being leaked could hurt the campaign, potentially where legal issues might arise when the current authorities represent the opposition (after all our government would NEVER illegally target the opposition or do something like have IRS investigate Tea Party supporters...).

Need I say more?
 

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Or say, Dr's office's -- where we are REQUIRED BY LAW to use it due to HIPAA.
Or say, law office's -- where data is covered by client attorney privilege.
Or say, a political campaign -- where information being leaked could hurt the campaign, potentially where legal issues might arise when the current authorities represent the opposition (after all our government would NEVER illegally target the opposition or do something like have IRS investigate Tea Party supporters...).

Need I say more?

Or if someone steals your computer and want's to look at your hard drive.
 

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Or say, Dr's office's -- where we are REQUIRED BY LAW to use it due to HIPAA.
Or say, law office's -- where data is covered by client attorney privilege.
Or say, a political campaign -- where information being leaked could hurt the campaign, potentially where legal issues might arise when the current authorities represent the opposition (after all our government would NEVER illegally target the opposition or do something like have IRS investigate Tea Party supporters...).

Need I say more?

Doctors have no problems with the potential of the government breaking their encryption. They have nothing to fear from the government.

Neither do law officers unless they're engaging in criminal acts.
Neither do politicians unless they're dirty (well, most are).

If a politician has dirt that may hurt his campaign it's all the best it's revealed so that the voters will get a true knowledge of the dirtbag they're planning to vote for.

If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. Simple as that.
 

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I thought so, too. The number of alt accounts on here is getting stupid. They do nothing but shit up a thread and switch names around when an old account doesn't get enough bites. Really wish they would go away.

I have no idea who or what you're talking about but if you can't stomach opposing arguments it's really you who should go away.
 

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If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to hide. Simple as that.

Maybe you have nothing to hide now. However, something that's perfectly legal or acceptable today may not be tomorrow - and you may not even know about it until it's too late. Call me paranoid if you'd like, but I'd much prefer to use whatever countermeasures I can to stay in control of my data as much as I can for as long as possible.

Doing nothing because you have "nothing to hide" is either apathetic or defeatist. It's not an option for someone who cares.

As for TrueCrypt, I'm betting that reality is much more mundane than canaries or hacking. The devs probably abandoned ship; why they decided to do so in such a dramatic way is the real mystery. Hopefully the audit will find no major problems and we'll get a forked replacement before too long.
 

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he's talking about you because you're a troll

it's not opposing arguments he's opposed to, it's your asinine comments shitting up this thread that's at issue

someone points out that HIPAA regulations require encryption and that law offices use it to protect client/attorney privileged information and you respond with some nonsense about doctors not needing to worry about government obtaining their patient data and officers not needing to worry if they aren't doing anything wrong :roll eyes:

so you're either a troll or you can't read plainly written english

You seem overly worked out on the subject. How is it so difficult for you to realize that I may not see any need for a 'government proof' encryption? Anyone who wolks in and for the society has nothing to fear from the government. Anyone who works against the society has every reason in the planet to be paranoid and encrypt their data.

I do not wish to assist this kind of individuals, quite the contrary.

And the day I fear my government so much that I have to start to encrypt data of my daily life, I take the first airplane out of the country.
 

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You seem overly worked out on the subject. How is it so difficult for you to realize that I may not see any need for a 'government proof' encryption?
It's not about whether you see a need for it. The two instance we cited for you are agencies that are required by the law to encrypt their data. That's all I'm going to say in this thread because for some reason I received a profile warning for that post. :confused:
 

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what do you have to hide, hmmmmmmmm :eek:
Personal financial information that could be used for identity theft purposes?

Both my laptop and my phone are Bitlocker encrypted for this purpose. I don't want my finances compromised, my credit score ruined, AND have to change the password one every site I've ever registered at on the internet, just because some jerk steals my laptop or cell phone.
 

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You seem overly worked out on the subject. How is it so difficult for you to realize that I may not see any need for a 'government proof' encryption? Anyone who wolks in and for the society has nothing to fear from the government. Anyone who works against the society has every reason in the planet to be paranoid and encrypt their data.

I do not wish to assist this kind of individuals, quite the contrary.

And the day I fear my government so much that I have to start to encrypt data of my daily life, I take the first airplane out of the country.

Assuming the government is working for society and not just for themselves and those with money?
 

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I have no idea who or what you're talking about but if you can't stomach opposing arguments it's really you who should go away.

Yep. You're a troll. On ignore you go.
 

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Personal financial information that could be used for identity theft purposes?

Both my laptop and my phone are Bitlocker encrypted for this purpose. I don't want my finances compromised, my credit score ruined, AND have to change the password one every site I've ever registered at on the internet, just because some jerk steals my laptop or cell phone.

It all comes down to one thing for me.

Trust.

It's not that I feel like I have something to hide... That something must remain hidden else I get into legal trouble somehow...

But I simply do not know, nor trust, any random person to have access to this information about me and not try to fuck me over somehow.

Identity theft is one precise reason why. Anyone who has ever had to clean up after credit card fraud done in your name knows exactly what the issue is.

It can be trust (or the lack of it) in different ways. Reselling hard drives. Do I want you to see intimate pictures of myself and my significant other should the format have not completed properly? Encryption solves that.

Flash drives. Unless you pointedly overwrite every block by filling up the flash drive with large dummy files, SOMETHING can be recovered. Again, encryption solves the worry of having something left behind that can be recovered.

The sing-song taunt of "you have nothing to hide if you're not doing anything wrong" is completely disingenuous and pointless.

If someone like B00nie truly believes this to be true...

Then post your financial information for us to see. What have you got to hide if you're not doing anything wrong?

Oh, but now it's only the government you don't need to hide things from?

How do you know some of us on here don't have security clearances? Surely you have nothing to hide from us...

Simply put...

People who claim only paranoids and criminals use encryption need a swift kick in the head.
 

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It's not about whether you see a need for it. The two instance we cited for you are agencies that are required by the law to encrypt their data. That's all I'm going to say in this thread because for some reason I received a profile warning for that post. :confused:

So you fail to see the flaw in your logic when something is required by the law and then somehow people are supposed to use an independent strong encryption to hide from the same government who issued the law?

Do people need an independent crypt source which supposedly doesn't contain (theoretical) backdoors which the government agencies could use. If you encrypt due to a law, you can logically use an encryption the law issuer can theoretically break, as long as others can't.

If you need to encrypt data from your government, you shouldn't worry about any laws it issues either since by definition you're acting against your government. You've become enemy of the state.

If the government wanted you to encrypt your data in a way that it hides it from even the government itself, your government would make sure such an encryption method exists and mandates you to use it. It seems however that your government is not interested in hiding data from itself, only from other unlawful recipients.

Sometimes I find it puzzling how people automatically assume the government is their enemy. As long as you're working as a part of the system and abiding laws, the government is your friend not your enemy. It becomes an enemy only when your ideals or morale deviates from the laws and ideals of the government. When that happens you should move away from that country instead of trying to fight the government. Because that's a fight you can't win.

If you find yourself in a situation where you suspect or know your government is maliciously acting against you or even worse, the general public (i.e. spying opposition politicians during campaigns and giving the information to powers that be and whatnot) the game is already over. Your system is corrupt, broken beyond any repair. It's time to either accept the fact or move out. It takes nothing short of a revolution to 'fix' that kind of a government. Are you ready for that?

If the answer is yes, get a GOOD encryption. Quantum one :D Don't use phones. Don't use credit cards. Dig a hole, arm up and prepare for a civil war. And I say good luck from the coctail bar.

Somehow I doubt that's the direction you're going though.

So we come back to the putrid fact that the people who want to hide from the government are doing so to hide their crimes. You'll want to encrypt your harddrive government/law officer proof for sure if it's filled with kiddie porn or contain the documents of your 3 billion dollar finance scam.
 

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Personal financial information that could be used for identity theft purposes?

Both my laptop and my phone are Bitlocker encrypted for this purpose. I don't want my finances compromised, my credit score ruined, AND have to change the password one every site I've ever registered at on the internet, just because some jerk steals my laptop or cell phone.

But wasn't the whole issue that bitlocker wasn't enough because the NSA can supposedly read it? So the assumption is that you need to hide from your government specifically. I doubt that your government has any need to steal your identity, they could just make you disappear and take whatever is your life at will.

Also you're engaging in a pretty risky behaviour if you store your credit card and banking information on your computer to begin with. Bad bad form.
 

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If someone like B00nie truly believes this to be true...

Then post your financial information for us to see. What have you got to hide if you're not doing anything wrong?

Oh, but now it's only the government you don't need to hide things from?

How do you know some of us on here don't have security clearances? Surely you have nothing to hide from us...

Simply put...

People who claim only paranoids and criminals use encryption need a swift kick in the head.

If you have a security clearance at the level of hacking and decrypting citizens files at will, you can ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING POSSIBLE ABOUT ME THROUGH OFFICIAL CHANNELS. You have IRS/money laundring law access to banking information, medical and corporate records, phone and personal records and everything imaginable at will. How do you think the police obtains someones DNA/dental records if they have to investigate a murder? Do they go digging through your trash and computer files for them? No, they just issue a warrant and go pick the stuff up from the doctor lol. If you have the power (and yes, the gov does) you don't need spying for indentity theft or messing your life up in general.

You make no sense whatsoever dude.
 

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As long as you're working as a part of the system and abiding laws, the government is your friend not your enemy. It becomes an enemy only when your ideals or morale deviates from the laws and ideals of the government. When that happens you should move away from that country instead of trying to fight the government. Because that's a fight you can't win.
Citations needed.
 

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to paraphrase B00nie, 'as long as your thoughts dont deviate from the norm, we won't kill you.'
 

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to paraphrase B00nie, 'as long as your thoughts dont deviate from the norm, we won't kill you.'

To paraphrase if you think your government has malicious intent towards you, move the fuck away. Right now. There are better places to live.
 

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why do you keep conflating encryption with hiding data from the government?

you do realize that there are other people in the world besides you and the government, don't you?
 

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why do you keep conflating encryption with hiding data from the government?

you do realize that there are other people in the world besides you and the government, don't you?

Why do you keep missing that the writers in the article and thread were worried about not having an independent, non government tappable encryption available anymore?

Did you miss all the talk about bitlocker not being up to the task because NSA may have bought or ordered a backdoor into it?

You do realize that I have repeated the same thing several times now and you still don't get that I'm not talking about not using bitlocker or other available 'common' methods. I'm talking about people who specifically feel they need to hide from the government through encryption.

Sure doctors and many other professions require crypting to keep their sensitive data safe. But none of them need to worry about bitlocker being tappable - unless they're committing crimes.
 

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Why do you keep missing that the writers in the article and thread were worried about not having an independent, non government tappable encryption available anymore?

Did you miss all the talk about bitlocker not being up to the task because NSA may have bought or ordered a backdoor into it?

You do realize that I have repeated the same thing several times now and you still don't get that I'm not talking about not using bitlocker or other available 'common' methods. I'm talking about people who specifically feel they need to hide from the government through encryption.

Sure doctors and many other professions require crypting to keep their sensitive data safe. But none of them need to worry about bitlocker being tappable - unless they're committing crimes.
in the research I do I have to get special authorization from the government to waive prosecution of people doing illegal activities so that I can collect data about the kinds of crimes people and organizations do that would otherwise go unstudied.

sometimes I research gang networks, have done work with drug cartels, and sometimes law enforcement agencies themselves. in some instances I've worked with agencies to uncover illicit behavior in other agencies...the "government" is not some monolithic entity like you're making it out to be.

in all cases I have to protect my data from government intrusion, by law and by choice, even when government entities empower me to collect data about illicit behavior. since I'm not an undercover agent, and I have to work out in the open, my ability to get into position where I can gain useful knowledge depends on fairly extensive trust and rapport. I wouldn't be able to maintain those aspects if a zealous law enforcement agent decided to use my data to start arresting and/or prosecuting offenders.

so while that fits into your schema of people doing illegal activity needing to worry about their identities and behavior it also is an example of a legitimate and useful time when the government specifically decides to forgo going after illicit behavior in order to learn more about it.
 
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