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The final ANTEC vs OCZ thread!

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iddqd said:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Who cares if OCZ had a terrible reputation in the past? I'd buy a PSU made by the Al-Queda, if it performed better.
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Because I care. And I have, at times, voted with my dollar and not bought either of tose companies mentioned. Thus is life.
 
lopoetve said:
Because I care. And I have, at times, voted with my dollar and not bought either of tose companies mentioned. Thus is life.
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And ASUS is making complete shit right now; would you buy the said complete shit, just because two years ago, ASUS products were really good? That's just faulty logic, y'see..."voted with my dollar"? What the hell are you thinking... :rolleyes:
 
iddqd said:
And ASUS is making complete shit right now; would you buy the said complete shit, just because two years ago, ASUS products were really good? That's just faulty logic, y'see..."voted with my dollar"? What the hell are you thinking... :rolleyes:
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I hardly see what you're saying. Their A8V deluxe motherboard is one of the best 939 solutions around, and is one of the few that would work with a Winchester core right out of the box :confused: A good company can occasionally release a bad product... and even then, they take care of it.

OCZ, on the other hand, released ONLY bad products for a long time, and did nothing to support their customer base that entire time.

What the hell was I thinking? I give my money to companies I trust.

And yes, I vote with my dollar for the companies I like and trust. Those that win, stay in business. Those that don't, don't.

EDIT: What I find really interesting is the people that use OCZ were the ones that were not around when they were up to their shenanigans. Makes me wonder if you really know everything they were up to...
 
lopoetve said:
EDIT: What I find really interesting is the people that use OCZ were the ones that were not around when they were up to their shenanigans. Makes me wonder if you really know everything they were up to...
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I remember the whole "thermal paste" fiasco. I also remember when their RAM was iffy and would'nt work at rated speeds, but that was a while ago. Lately they've been doing alot better, especially in the enthusiast market. I've got OCZ RAM in my rig and it's awesome. I couldn't be happier, especially at the price I got it for when I bought it.

I totally understand your thoughts and I agree on alot of ways with what you are saying about companies with a past history of producing oberhyped junk, but honestly man, some of the stuff OCZ has been producing lately is great. Although my review of the PowerStream 520W may bot be up to par for alot of technical dudes, the features they offer for the price, plus the 5 year warranty is just awesome. That alone puts them on a higher level. As far as performance goes, it's better than my old PCP&C 510 Deluxe IMHO.

I'm just speaking from my own personal point of view, however I can't back that statement up with scientific data for all your uber geeks, but my voltages are more stable now than they ever were before and I no longer get the "ripple" that I used to when I had my AC on full blast.

I really wish some people wouldn't hate on OCZ. They've really done a good job with this particular PSU series. Atleast they are trying. The design alone is much better than what other companies are offering.
 
After all I've seen, I'll actually buy their ram now. Been looking at it for my next set. I just don't know about the rest, there's a lot of difference between RAM and PSU's, and other stuff...

And with warranties... I've been bitten by that too. 5 years is nice, but if you've got to replace the product 6 times in that 5 years... :( Been there, doing that.

I won't say that theyre gonna fry your system, but I'd still trust the other makers over them, if even just for the amount of experience they have...

I also wonder if you just had a bad PCP&C...

meh.
 
iddqd said:
And ASUS is making complete shit right now; would you buy the said complete shit, just because two years ago, ASUS products were really good? That's just faulty logic, y'see..."voted with my dollar"? What the hell are you thinking... :rolleyes:
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That would appear to be a very bold yet totally unsubstantiated statement for you to make in a public forum, or any forum for that matter.

A statement like that absolutely requires extensive proof to support your conclusion. Your opinion is not proof, your personal experience is not proof and a bad experience is not proof.

Show us the difference between “then” and “now” but show us “Facts”. Your opinion counts for nothing.
 
iddqd said:
And ASUS is making complete shit right now; would you buy the said complete shit, just because two years ago, ASUS products were really good? That's just faulty logic, y'see..."voted with my dollar"? What the hell are you thinking... :rolleyes:
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your opinion is worthless

unless you back it up which you seem to have an aversion to
 
computerpro3 said:
your opinion is worthless

unless you back it up which you seem to have an aversion to
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How about selling 6800 Ultra cards with false advertising covering many parts of the card (Not having DDR3 being one). This was written up by [H] when they did the 6800 round up.
 
MeanieMan said:
How about selling 6800 Ultra cards with false advertising covering many parts of the card (Not having DDR3 being one). This was written up by [H] when they did the 6800 round up.
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What? I see nothing of the sort in that article. Link, please.
 
lopoetve said:
I hardly see what you're saying. Their A8V deluxe motherboard is one of the best 939 solutions around, and is one of the few that would work with a Winchester core right out of the box :confused: A good company can occasionally release a bad product... and even then, they take care of it.

OCZ, on the other hand, released ONLY bad products for a long time, and did nothing to support their customer base that entire time.

What the hell was I thinking? I give my money to companies I trust.

And yes, I vote with my dollar for the companies I like and trust. Those that win, stay in business. Those that don't, don't.

EDIT: What I find really interesting is the people that use OCZ were the ones that were not around when they were up to their shenanigans. Makes me wonder if you really know everything they were up to...
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I'm not very good at making analogies. Either way; your "voting with the dollar" behaviour is on the edge of outright fаnboyism. It's highly irrational at best.

I do realize that OCZ has lied, at turned out bad products in the past; but I also realize that their 3500EL limited platinum edition is among the best BH-5 ever made. Will I let my a stupid notion of retribution get better of me, or jump on the deal and get their (quite rare, by the way) BH-5 sticks for only $280? Of course, the latter. OCZ is one of the few companies that is truly trying to support enthusiasts; and I would support their efforts in that case (but, then again - only if it means they keep making products that are so damn fine; as soon as that stops; they stop getting my money - so at the moment; it's purely coincidential; OCZ is trying to make the most enthusiast-friendly products; and perchance; some ARE the most friendly; by bying those, I would, of course support OCZ's efforts; but that isn't my original intention).

I don't really like nVidia (contrary to what I said before; to mock computernoob3). I did some research; and it seems that x800xtpe has better IQ in the games I play most; and about equal performance; so I'll be trying to get my hands on that, as opposed to 6800U... If I can't; then 6800U it is... need a better video card than this stoopid 5950, asap.
 
iddqd said:
I'm not very good at making analogies. Either way; your "voting with the dollar" behaviour is on the edge of outright fаnboyism. It's highly irrational at best.

I do realize that OCZ has lied, at turned out bad products in the past; but I also realize that their 3500EL limited platinum edition is among the best BH-5 ever made. Will I let my a stupid notion of retribution get better of me, or jump on the deal and get their (quite rare, by the way) BH-5 sticks for only $280? Of course, the latter. OCZ is one of the few companies that is truly trying to support enthusiasts; and I would support their efforts in that case (but, then again - only if it means they keep making products that are so damn fine; as soon as that stops; they stop getting my money - so at the moment; it's purely coincidential; OCZ is trying to make the most enthusiast-friendly products; and perchance; some ARE the most friendly; by bying those, I would, of course support OCZ's efforts; but that isn't my original intention).

I don't really like nVidia (contrary to what I said before; to mock computernoob3). I did some research; and it seems that x800xtpe has better IQ in the games I play most; and about equal performance; so I'll be trying to get my hands on that, as opposed to 6800U... If I can't; then 6800U it is... need a better video card than this stoopid 5950, asap.
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Highly irrational? Hardly, it's just supporting the companies that I feel have done a good job or provided a good product If you're having trouble with that, I recommend the local community college and a basic economics course. Oh, and a writing class would be good too, those semicolons are in the wrong places.

"One of the few companies trying to support enthusiasts"??? WTF? Have you noticed all the companies making enthusiast ram, psu's, etc? Have you perchance been smoking crack recently, or gone blind?

Bud, you seem to be out to troll or stir up flames. I don't have time to read crap like this, welcome to ignore.
 
MeanieMan said:
I'm not reading the whole thing again, or I may have the wrong article, here is forum thread about it.
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=843056
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I see someone buying a GT with 128mb... that should be a dead giveaway right there. That thread borders on incomprehensible. :p

It's not in that [h] article though. Their real GT and real Ultra have the full ram, and the 128 doesn't (like most 128's I've seen).
 
iddqd said:
(snip) I'm not very good at making analogies. Either way; your "voting with the dollar" behaviour is on the edge of outright fаnboyism. It's highly irrational at best./QUOTE]

Voting with one’s dollars is how companies grow; it’s their reward for treating people (customers) well. It should be every company’s goal to have a customer base that “votes with their dollars”. Its basic capitalism at it’s finest.

To “not get” that concept is to suffer from a certain level of intellectual challenge.

You still upset over the Kerry thing? :rolleyes:
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lopoetve said:
Highly irrational? Hardly, it's just supporting the companies that I feel have done a good job or provided a good product If you're having trouble with that, I recommend the local community college and a basic economics course. Oh, and a writing class would be good too, those semicolons are in the wrong places.

Bud, you seem to be out to troll or stir up flames. I don't have time to read crap like this, welcome to ignore.
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Just because they have made good product in the past; why does that necessarily translate into their current product being good? You would deliberately pay for a shitty product, just to have a brand name? You're the same person that buys a Sony MP3 player, to find out it breaks a week later. But it's a Sony, right? It has to be good.

Just the reverse works as well... back when BFG just started out; they were making everything using nVidia's reference design; and might I add, with poor results. Now, it's generally accepted that they're on top of their game. On the other hand, we have ASUS, who used to make awesome video cards (abeit, for a bit more money than the others), yet now, they aren't as competitive... prices are still high; and they seem to care more about looks than performance. Would you choose to buy an ASUS-made card, over BFG, just because of their past reputation; even though the BFG is clearly a better choice (uses 1.6ns chips vs 2ns)
lopoetve said:
"One of the few companies trying to support enthusiasts"??? WTF? Have you noticed all the companies making enthusiast ram, psu's, etc? Have you perchance been smoking crack recently, or gone blind?
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I've mentioned that OCZ is one of the few around. There aren't too many. Prove my statement as a product of my crack-induced hallucinations; and I'll give you $100. USD. Could you explain what economics has to do with being a fаnboy? I didn't take that course and don't intend to, but I'm interested nontheless.
 
And then sometimes fan-boy- ism (my word) transcends even the worst fanaticism. I wonder if OCZ has a job opening for this guy?
 
No. :p So far, I didn't actually buy anything from them. I do hate my Antec, though, reputation, or no reputation this power supply sucks either way.
 
iddqd said:
computernoob3). .
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sticky 1:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=765175

Sticky 2

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566



2.4C on air

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3.0C on water

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534mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.8v on the memory on p4c800-e deluxe with vdimm and vdroop mods with my 3.3v line modded to close to 4.0 volts on

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6600 3dmark 03 with a radeon 9700 pro voltmodded with 1.85v on the core, was on the front page for all 9700's

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2717913

about 22k with said radeon 9700 pro, was also on front page with all 9700's

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7747973

running around 430 core, 370mhz memory

waterchiller I'm working on

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a voltmod

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just a few of the cards I have

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cooling for my next rig

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18080

do you even know what that is?

Next time do some research before you call someone with vastly more experience than you a noob.
 
Why the fuck do we have video cards in a power supply discussion?

But I'll play. Here:

BH-5mock.jpg
 
DirtMerchant said:
LMFAO. Nice


This is sweet though http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18080

Dual cascade unit.

This is nuts http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=618&s=1http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=618
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Looks more like a regular phasechanger with an extra evaporator for the GPU... or maybe just one evaporator split two-way. Dual cascades are generally bigger than that :) There's some guy who fixes broken prometeii phasechangers; he mods them to have two evaporators, one for CPU and one for GPU. I still hardly see how this pertains to power supplies. Then again, maybe it is a dual cascade; I never claimed to be an expert in phase-change cooling :eek:
 
I would've photochopped an ocz psu that read "Stop the personal attacks" but I have better things to do with my life, such as a party that I jus got home from....

you called me a computer noob, which in fact could not be further from the truth. Especially compared to what little you've shown. Just showing you some of my work.

I don't see how you can call me a noob when the only thing you've shown you're good with is photoshop.........
 
computerpro3 said:
I would've photochopped an ocz psu that read "Stop the personal attacks" but I have better things to do with my life, such as a party that I jus got home from....

you called me a computer noob, which in fact could not be further from the truth. Especially compared to what little you've shown. Just showing you some of my work.

I don't see how you can call me a noob when the only thing you've shown you're good with is photoshop.........
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Well, excuse me of being merely a memory expert, but I'm still going to mock you. Have any better suggestions? Maybe computermoron3 will do?
 
iddqd said:
Well, excuse me of being merely a memory expert, but I'm still going to mock you. Have any better suggestions? Maybe computermoron3 will do?
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I think you'll be getting a pm soon :)
 
iddqd said:
Just because they have made good product in the past; why does that necessarily translate into their current product being good? You would deliberately pay for a shitty product, just to have a brand name? You're the same person that buys a Sony MP3 player, to find out it breaks a week later. But it's a Sony, right? It has to be good.

Just the reverse works as well... back when BFG just started out; they were making everything using nVidia's reference design; and might I add, with poor results. Now, it's generally accepted that they're on top of their game. On the other hand, we have ASUS, who used to make awesome video cards (abeit, for a bit more money than the others), yet now, they aren't as competitive... prices are still high; and they seem to care more about looks than performance. Would you choose to buy an ASUS-made card, over BFG, just because of their past reputation; even though the BFG is clearly a better choice (uses 1.6ns chips vs 2ns)

I've mentioned that OCZ is one of the few around. There aren't too many. Prove my statement as a product of my crack-induced hallucinations; and I'll give you $100. USD. Could you explain what economics has to do with being a fаnboy? I didn't take that course and don't intend to, but I'm interested nontheless.
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WAY to miss the point. No, I wouldn't buy a bad product from a good company, but I'll buy a good product from a good company over a good product from a bad company any day of the week.

And no, Sony is pure shit. Overengineered overpriced shit.

Yes, and I didn't buy BFG then. They worked hard, and proved that they could do it. OCZ screwed people over for close to 5 years. They got a lot of proving to do, and everytime they start, they cheat on something new and have to start over, as far as I'm concerned. As for the cards, it depends on other features as well. I might, because overclocking isn't always top on my list for requirements.

Indeed. You said they were one of few around. Again, that's BS. There are tons of companies making enthusiast parts, both good and bad, in almost every field. Pick one, and I'll name off as many as I can. The econ comment had to do with supporting companies. And I never called you a !!!!!!.

And those semicolons are still in the wrong place. Might want to fix them.
 
iddqd said:
Well, excuse me of being merely a memory expert, but I'm still going to mock you. Have any better suggestions? Maybe computermoron3 will do?
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Memory expert?

Very well... submit a organizational diagram of memory.
 
BillR said:
iddqd said:
(snip) I'm not very good at making analogies. Either way; your "voting with the dollar" behaviour is on the edge of outright fаnboyism. It's highly irrational at best./QUOTE]

Voting with one’s dollars is how companies grow; it’s their reward for treating people (customers) well. It should be every company’s goal to have a customer base that “votes with their dollars”. Its basic capitalism at it’s finest.

To “not get” that concept is to suffer from a certain level of intellectual challenge.

You still upset over the Kerry thing? :rolleyes:
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LOLOLOL. Bingo :)

Iddqd, it would appear that YOU are the one hurling !!!!!! around.
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lopoetve said:
Memory expert?

Very well... submit a organizational diagram of memory.
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What kind? sram, dram, sdram, ddram, rdram, or, perhaps - "spintronic"?
 
puram please. And no plagarism please, there are such things as google image search ;)



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just noticed

from his location
Flying through Space, with armoire, Armoire of INVINCIBILATAAAAY!
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iddqd said:
my crack-induced hallucinations.
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:p ROFLMAO
 
computerpro3 said:
puram please. And no plagarism please, there are such things as google image search ;)



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just noticed

from his location



:p ROFLMAO
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Oy. Where do you expect me to find theoretical diagrams on a version of ssd that was never popular to begin with?
 
It's a fairly new technology as well; I imagine that info is still classified.
 
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the little I saw being out of hand
Im going to sleep having been mixing cement from 10 am to 8:30 pm
I'll read it all tommorow sometime
 
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