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The final ANTEC vs OCZ thread!

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Okay, I have two choices:

Antec NeoPower 480w
OCZ Powerstream 520w


Which is better? No, don't meantion PC&P or any other manufacturer, just what's better out of these two.

Thanks! =)
 
From past experience I would have to pick the Antec. Too many of OCZ’s products in general have shown over time to be flaky.
 
BillR said:
From past experience I would have to pick the Antec. Too many of OCZ’s products in general have shown over time to be flaky.
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Agreed. I know a lot of people seem to like the PowerStream series, but I've heard too many negative things about OCZ. Cherrypicking memory for reviews, their silver themal paste that contained 0% silver, etc. I'd go with the NeoPower.
 
Spec
Antec NeoPower 480w ATX12V v2.0 dual +12V rail
OCZ Powerstream 520w ATX12V v1.3 single +12V rail

+12V Amps
Antec NeoPower 480w........................33A (18\15)
OCZ Powerstream 520w......................33A

Load Regulation
Antec NeoPower 480w .............3%
OCZ Powerstream 520w............3%
(OCZ lists 1%, but Topower lists 3%)

Warranty
Antec NeoPower 480w........................3 year
OCZ Powerstream 520w......................3 year replacement + 2 year labor

Competent Reivews
Antec NeoPower
OCZ Powerstream (470)


still vote Antec, I have a low tolerance for Hyperbol :p
 
With 33 amps available on the +12 volt rail, I would say that the importance of dual rails is greatly minimized, wouldn't you agree?
 
Yeah, that's true. I've heard the dual rails amount to little if anything. Antec's cable management isn't that great either, plus I like OCZ's dedicated VGA cable.

Either way, the more I read about the two the more it's apparent that you can't go wrong with either ;)
 
Antec. Dual twelve volt rails as opposed to OCZ's single, modular cables that are easy to sleeve, one 120mm fan keeping it reasonably quiet, and Antec's incredible customer service that I've personally experienced.

P.S. A high-amperage single 12v rail works okay too, but it requires a much bulkier cable to deliver it, to prevent overheating a cable and causing risk of fire. Two 12v rails of medium amperage get around the need for being as bulky, and aren't likely to heat up quite as much.
 
LoneWolf said:
P.S. A high-amperage single 12v rail works okay too, but it requires a much bulkier cable to deliver it, to prevent overheating a cable and causing risk of fire. Two 12v rails of medium amperage get around the need for being as bulky, and aren't likely to heat up quite as much.
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Umm...no.

There are several wires leaving each voltage rail, and while each wire is limited by current, you can solder on as many wires as you'd like from each voltage rail. Thus, no matter where the wires originate from (one rail or two rails), the same wires are used. Same number, same gauge, regardless of what's going on inside the PSU.
 
I'd say go with the OCZ PowerStream 520w if for no other reason then the fact it looks cooler then the Antec 480w NeoPower. It also has easily adjustable pots with LED warning lights. I've read alot of reviews for it and its one of the top PSU's out there for the moment. I'm gonna order me one in the next couple of weeks when i get more money.
 
xonik said:
...and get a lower rated +12 volt rail? No thanks.
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Yea i noticed that right away when i checked out the specs for the new 520w ModStream. I really dont know why they would raise the 5v rail higher and lower the 12v rail.
 
In the end it comes down to looks or stability. Personally I will go with stability every time. Just my two cents...
 
You'd think that would be obvious, but many people now see the power supply as an accessory, not as the literal life and blood of the entire computer.
 
OCZ should stick to making ram. They're PSU's are dodgy as, so many people have fried 6800Us and XTPEs cause they bought an OCZ cause it looked nice. Just get an Antec 480w and live in the knowledge youve got a high quality PSU that won't blow up your components. I'm usin one now and the rails are solid and never move from where they're supposed to be.

The 520W powerstream is the one i've heard the most problems with. It may look good but i'd advise you to get an Antec or a PCP&C if you want the best.

OCZ = Bad....Antec = Win.....
 
Dedicated 12v rail is good if you run switch on devices; like cold cathode lights. I have seen lots of rigs with cold cathodes turn on when the computer is running crash the computer.
 
operaman said:
In the end it comes down to looks or stability. Personally I will go with stability every time. Just my two cents...
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Your saying that the OCZ 520w PowerStream doesn't have stability? According to what? I'd put it up against the Antec 480w NeoPower any time of the week.

FunkStar said:
OCZ should stick to making ram. They're PSU's are dodgy as, so many people have fried 6800Us and XTPEs cause they bought an OCZ cause it looked nice. Just get an Antec 480w and live in the knowledge youve got a high quality PSU that won't blow up your components. I'm usin one now and the rails are solid and never move from where they're supposed to be.

The 520W powerstream is the one i've heard the most problems with. It may look good but i'd advise you to get an Antec or a PCP&C if you want the best.

OCZ = Bad....Antec = Win.....
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I doubt you've heard many problems with the OCZ 520w unless its user error because i havn't heard any. It was the new 600w model that had a problem and it was recalled.

OCZ doesn't manufacture the PSU's ither just the same as Antec doesn't manufacture PSU's. Everyone thinks places like Antec and PC Power and Cooling manufacture the PSU's and they dont. They just sell them. Channel Well Technolgies manufactures the Antec PSU's, Zippy/Emac manufactures PC Power and Cooling and Topower manufactures the OCZ models. The Topower brand is one of the tops.

Anandtech runs all their machines on the OCZ 520w PowerStream and they do a hell of alot of testing and havn't reported any issues at all. I'm sure alot of other reviewers use them as well.
 
someone shitty. Prolly deer. I can find out for sure if you want but I don't think there would be a point, stay away from them. If you want a good cheap psu go fortron
 
Antec sucks; fuck this undervolting piece of shit; I hate this PSU. OCZ PowerStream 520W owns it's pants any day. Moreover; it's the next best thing to a PCP&C 510Deluxe; and the 600W version is rivaling it; for the same price. I, myself will be replacing my Antec with an OCZ ModStream 520 :D.

Bottom line - OCZ has stable voltage; does not undervolt; and has an adjustable 3.3 line up to 3.8V. Antec has none of those things. It does have one thing OCZ doesn't - an El-Cheapo fan controller that is prone to failure; and causes your PSU to go up in flames. GG Antec.
 
iddqd said:
Antec sucks; fuck this undervolting piece of shit; I hate this PSU. OCZ PowerStream 520W owns it's pants any day. Moreover; it's about as good as a PCP&C 510Deluxe; and the 600W version is even better; for the same price. I, myself will be replacing my Antec with an OCZ ModStream 520 :D.

Bottom line - OCZ has stable voltage; does not undervolt; and has an adjustable 3.3 line up to 3.8V. Antec has none of those things. It does have one thing OCZ doesn't - an El-Cheapo fan controller that is prone to failure; and causes your PSU to go up in flames. GG Antec.
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:rolleyes: It's nowhere near as good as the pcp&c 510 deluxe, the the 600w isn't either. In fact the 600w got recalled for killing video cards, neither supply has the tolerance of the pcp&c, neither psu has as many amps, neither has as many watts at any temp (OCZ rated @ 20c is 520 and 600w respectivley and the pcp&c is 650+w @ 20C), I don't believe the OCZ has line condition (although I could be wrong, OCZ seems to take a less publicly available stats the better policy), the ocz isn't sleeved, etc, etc, etc,

If you want I can give you a quote from OCZ themselves about how their supplies are not meant to compete with pcp&c and how pcp&c is in a league of their own. Just ask.

However it's still a very good psu, I'd rate it about equal to the Antec neopower 480 although I'd personally take the Antec because it's a CWT or Sirtec model as opposed to a Topower.
 
computerpro3 said:
:rolleyes: It's nowhere near as good as the pcp&c 510 deluxe, the the 600w isn't either. In fact the 600w got recalled for killing video cards, neither supply has the tolerance of the pcp&c, neither psu has as many amps, neither has as many watts at any temp (OCZ rated @ 20c is 520 and 600w respectivley and the pcp&c is 650+w @ 20C), I don't believe the OCZ has line condition (although I could be wrong, OCZ seems to take a less publicly available stats the better policy), the ocz isn't sleeved, etc, etc, etc,

If you want I can give you a quote from OCZ themselves about how their supplies are not meant to compete with pcp&c and how pcp&c is in a league of their own. Just ask.

However it's still a very good psu, I'd rate it about equal to the Antec neopower 480 although I'd personally take the Antec because it's a CWT or Sirtec model as opposed to a Topower.
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computerpro3's sig said:
Pc Power and Cooling Turbocool 510 Deluxe with Custom Factory Mods
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Your opinion is worthless. It would be just like me praising nvidia.
 
Still, you present no tangible support for your claims,
Antec sucks; fuck this undervolting piece of shit; I hate this PSU. OCZ PowerStream 520W owns it's pants any day. Moreover; it's about as good as a PCP&C 510Deluxe; and the 600W version is even better; for the same price. I, myself will be replacing my Antec with an OCZ ModStream 520 .

Bottom line - OCZ has stable voltage; does not undervolt; and has an adjustable 3.3 line up to 3.8V. Antec has none of those things. It does have one thing OCZ doesn't - an El-Cheapo fan controller that is prone to failure; and causes your PSU to go up in flames. GG Antec.
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If you feel so strongly about your power supply, why don't you back up your claims? The power supply area of expertise leaves little room for subjectivity.
 
xonik said:
Still, you present no tangible support for your claims, If you feel so strongly about your power supply, why don't you back up your claims? The power supply area of expertise leaves little room for subjectivity.
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You can use facts to prove any statement that's even remotely true.

But, if you're the type of person who wants numbers; I'll give you numbers. My 3.3 line is right now; happily sitting at a whopping 3.12. My vcore (which is supposed to be 1.5) is fluctuating +/- 0.075 either way; so that means it goes from 1.425 to 1.575 all the time. Unacceptable. The 12V rail is 11.01; and I only have one hard drive, and no 6800U's, either. Furthermore; a large number of people on newegg are complaining about this power supply dying a fiery death; the issue, turns out, is the fan controller. Mine started malfunctioning right out of the box; sometimes the fans wouldn't start at all, when I turned my computer on. There's a solution for that (although it voids my warranty), but then again, I'd rather not have that issue. We're not talking 3 or 4 people here either; no less than 15 people have had their power supply burn out.

I have no reason to be happy with this power supply. I haven't had any experience with OCZ quite yet; but it has 3.3 line adjustable up to 3.8 (as opposed to PCP&C's up to 3.6), so that's a selling point for me - I'm voltage-happy.

Good day, gentlemen.
 
iddqd said:
You can use facts to prove any statement that's even remotely true.

But, if you're the type of person who wants numbers; I'll give you numbers. My 3.3 line is right now; happily sitting at a whopping 3.12. My vcore (which is supposed to be 1.5) is fluctuating +/- 0.075 either way; so that means it goes from 1.425 to 1.575 all the time. Unacceptable. The 12V rail is 11.01; and I only have one hard drive, and no 6800U's, either. Furthermore; a large number of people on newegg are complaining about this power supply dying a fiery death; the issue, turns out, is the fan controller. Mine started malfunctioning right out of the box; sometimes the fans wouldn't start at all, when I turned my computer on. There's a solution for that (although it voids my warranty), but then again, I'd rather not have that issue. We're not talking 3 or 4 people here either; no less than 15 people have had their power supply burn out.

I have no reason to be happy with this power supply. I haven't had any experience with OCZ quite yet; but it has 3.3 line adjustable up to 3.8 (as opposed to PCP&C's up to 3.6), so that's a selling point for me - I'm voltage-happy.

Good day, gentlemen.
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Calling my opinion worthless without refuting my claims (which you simply can't do because they are true, and I have pages and pages of proof to back me up, just ask anyone who's argued with me about psu's)

Also, using your logic, your opinion about antecs is useless, and furthermore goes to show your true knowledge about psu's, which is very close to zero.

1. If your 12v line was 11v, you would not have a properly functioning computer. In fact, you wouldn't be posting on these forums right now. It just wouldn't boot. By putting your faith in software monitoring, you have shown that you are extremeley new to the psu field, and furthermore have not read any of the stickies to try to furthur your knowledge.

2. The vcore fluctuation is largely due to the motherboard and its vrm scheme

3. the pcp&c does NOT top out @ 3.6, I've had mine running @ 3.9 and even 4.0v for months (the 4.0 was for testing). I've run 3.8 vdimm through my bh-5 with it. Don't sit there and tell me that I didn't :rolleyes: You want me to post a pic? I will....

4. Since my opinion was worthless in your eyes because I have this psu (as well as multiple antecs, enermax's, fortron, enlight, thermaltake, deer, powmax, and various other shitty brands), how come you're opinion counts for something even though you own it? What makes you more qualified than me? After all, I GUARANTEE you I've had experience with more psu's than you have, and I am the one with 2 stickies in the psu forum....

Why don't you think before you post?
 
besides, what I posted wasn't even my opinion, it was hard facts

And for your cop out about proving any statement...here you go:

the ocz 470w is more powerful than a pcp&c 510 deluxe


Good luck, you simply can't prove it. Because the statement that the pcp&c 510 deluxe is more powerful than the ocz 470w is true. You can't refute it. Kinda like the rest of the FACTS I posted.

:rolleyes:
 
from OCZ themselves

OCZ Rep said:
I am not even complaining thinking were second to PCP and C , as if thats where we are I am extremely happy
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his opinion count for anything?

I just love people that make claims and don't back them up :)
 
computerpro3 said:
from OCZ themselves



his opinion count for anything?

I just love people that make claims and don't back them up :)
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Nvidia rules! Straight from Nvidia's CEO himself. Explain how that; or your statement is pertinent, please.

Edit: Nice triple-post; and somehow, you still manage to miss the point of the thread, entirely. Perhaps, I should illustrate, in order for this not to occur again.
http://images.dr3vil.com/uploads/overhead2.jpg
 
iddqd said:
Nvidia rules! Straight from Nvidia's CEO himself. Explain how that; or your statement is pertinent, please.
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I feel like I'm talking to a child, you want me to connect the dot's for you too?

The ocz rep replies to a post that he is just glad they are second to pcp&c. now if a company admits that they are second to a competing company, it holds some water. IT would be like nvidia admitting they are second to ATI. They're not gonna do it unless they're wayyy behind and its blatantly obvious, and maybe not even then.

thinking we're second to PCP and C
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So, if you connect the dots, you see that this statement backs up my "worthless" opinion according to you (even though I've substantiated mine and you've not done a thing with yours).

now please explain this:

Calling my opinion worthless without refuting my claims (which you simply can't do because they are true, and I have pages and pages of proof to back me up, just ask anyone who's argued with me about psu's)

Also, using your logic, your opinion about antecs is useless, and furthermore goes to show your true knowledge about psu's, which is very close to zero.

1. If your 12v line was 11v, you would not have a properly functioning computer. In fact, you wouldn't be posting on these forums right now. It just wouldn't boot. By putting your faith in software monitoring, you have shown that you are extremeley new to the psu field, and furthermore have not read any of the stickies to try to furthur your knowledge.

2. The vcore fluctuation is largely due to the motherboard and its vrm scheme

3. the pcp&c does NOT top out @ 3.6, I've had mine running @ 3.9 and even 4.0v for months (the 4.0 was for testing). I've run 3.8 vdimm through my bh-5 with it. Don't sit there and tell me that I didn't You want me to post a pic? I will....

4. Since my opinion was worthless in your eyes because I have this psu (as well as multiple antecs, enermax's, fortron, enlight, thermaltake, deer, powmax, and various other shitty brands), how come you're opinion counts for something even though you own it? What makes you more qualified than me? After all, I GUARANTEE you I've had experience with more psu's than you have, and I am the one with 2 stickies in the psu forum....

Why don't you think before you post?
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and this

besides, what I posted wasn't even my opinion, it was hard facts

And for your cop out about proving any statement...here you go:

the ocz 470w is more powerful than a pcp&c 510 deluxe


Good luck, you simply can't prove it. Because the statement that the pcp&c 510 deluxe is more powerful than the ocz 470w is true. You can't refute it. Kinda like the rest of the FACTS I posted.
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and finally refute these facts

It's nowhere near as good as the pcp&c 510 deluxe, the the 600w isn't either. In fact the 600w got recalled for killing video cards, neither supply has the tolerance of the pcp&c, neither psu has as many amps, neither has as many watts at any temp (OCZ rated @ 20c is 520 and 600w respectivley and the pcp&c is 650+w @ 20C), I don't believe the OCZ has line condition (although I could be wrong, OCZ seems to take a less publicly available stats the better policy), the ocz isn't sleeved, etc, etc, etc,

If you want I can give you a quote from OCZ themselves about how their supplies are not meant to compete with pcp&c and how pcp&c is in a league of their own. Just ask.
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Good luck, wait, no, you'll need more than luck, try

www.adobe.com/photoshop
 
computerpro3 said:
I feel like I'm talking to a child, you want me to connect the dot's for you too?

The ocz rep replies to a post that he is just glad they are second to pcp&c. now if a company admits that they are second to a competing company, it holds some water. IT would be like nvidia admitting they are second to ATI. They're not gonna do it unless they're wayyy behind and its blatantly obvious, and maybe not even then.



So, if you connect the dots, you see that this statement backs up my "worthless" opinion according to you (even though I've substantiated mine and you've not done a thing with yours).

now please explain this:



and this




and finally refute these facts



Good luck, wait, no, you'll need more than luck, try

www.adobe.com/photoshop
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What does PCP&C have to do with anything? I, by the way, think that strawberries are awesome. And use PM next time you decide to argue with me.
 
iddqd said:
What does PCP&C have to do with anything? I, by the way, think that strawberries are awesome. And use PM next time you decide to argue with me.
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last post then i'm done here and il take it to pm

I dunno, you're the one that brought it up

Moreover; it's about as good as a PCP&C 510Deluxe; and the 600W version is even better; for the same price
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and then said

Your opinion is worthless
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when I proved u wrong
 
Nothing more entertaining then a good urination match.

IF my VCORE was fluctuating that much I’d be looking really hard at the voltage regulation on my motherboard. If you go “tweaking” your rails on the high side and your VRM takes a jump..well, that could cost you big time. :rolleyes:
 
Nah, does the same thing on Neo Platinum (which has heatsinks on the MOSFETs)
 
So heatsinks on the MOSFETs means that the motherboard can provide adequate current and good voltage regulation?

That's like choosing a stereo by how much it weighs. Yep, it weighs more so it has the best audio fidelity...
 
Sigh. At stock voltage; what does it matter anyway? And other users with the same board(s) do not have these issues.
 
computerpro3 said:
from OCZ themselves



his opinion count for anything?

I just love people that make claims and don't back them up :)
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dont you say that OCZ is lying every single time someone posts anything about OCZ? anyways this is an Antec vs OCZ thread, nothing to do with PC P&C

and where exactly does it say the OCZ power supplies are rated at 20C

you're pulling facts out of nowhere as well, i dont see it on their spec sheet. have you tried emailing them and asking?

you might as well just starting posting "i hate ocz and nothing they do will ever be good enough for me and i will assume the worse of every single thing they do from this day on"

at this rate you might as well condemn all japanese, germans, english, spanish, russian, hell every single nationality because of something they've done wrong in the past. new management, but hey its still the same country

:rolleyes:
 
ivanchu02 said:
have you tried emailing them and asking?
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I have, and further Ive requested the derating Curve for the Topower P6 series
OCZ is less than forthcoming with any real specs, and had nothing but the most rudimentary specs up for a good 6 months

I prescribe a round of Virtual Valuim all around
on me :p
 
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