The Big 1 Gig

[ChingChang]

Some games, especially newer ones, will perform better with 1gb ram. And the ram really helps out if you multitask

 

[Ice Czar]

If you use that 4GB to run a SQL Server, great. If you do some weird billboards in Photoshop that are 4GB+ files, great. If you do 3D work that involves a lot of textures, great.

If you're going to tell me that games run better on 4GB, well.. I'll skip that.

-MrD

few would be coded to take advantage anyway

64-bit Computing in Real Life
Opteron memory Guide


Photoshop is limited internally to 2GB (as a process)
whereas say Renderman Pro Server (3D backend) can employ greater than 2GB
and alot more will likely be ported soon
you forgot video editing, and encoding

as I said before I dont Game, so I really have no benchmark to determine what kind of decrease in game performance your describing by having more RAM
but I know quite a few members have rigs that do alot more than just game
and a 1GB Id call a minimum, especially in the Higher end processors
(obviously paired in the Dual Channels)
folks are just too likely to be running a few dozen processes at once
a few of them potentially intensive

this is fun > How the “Dell Model” Cripples Computing—And Drives the Industry. @ Sudhain

 

[phaelinx]

Mr. Digital, Isnt it funny YOU are the ONLY one here that is giving your negative pesamistic remarks on how 1 gig of ram is a waste. No one here is talking about browsing the website with a gig of ram..EVERYONE is referring to playing video games with 1 gig of ram..I have an idea..install doom3 on your pc, load a level using 1 stick of 512 ram and see how long it loads then play for about half an hour then exit the game and see how long it takes your desktop to reappear because the page file is resizing dynamically. Then pop another 512 in and watch the loading of levels get cut in half along with the time it takes to exit to windows and reload the desktop icons. No one here browses the web with a gig of ram and doesnt play video games..I hope this turns into a flame thread because this ROOKIE deserves it.

ps. I'm a rookie? I been building computers since apple IIe's, and whos the noob with the 56k modem in their pc? you still on dialup? or do you like having it attached to your pc sitting there taking resources? If you use it for faxing, ever heard of efax.com?

 

[wallijonn]

http://www.lostcircuits.com/cpu/panorama/2.shtml :

... all user applications together can only access a total of 2 GB of combined physical and virtual memory (with virtual memory in this case referring to HDD space allocated to the page-file).

These limitations apply to WindowsNT, WindowsXP and Windows Server2003 (Windows.net). ...

Reminds me of when I used to set NT4.0 swap space to 1.5x to 2.5x of RAM.

I see another 1G of RAM in my future...

 

[Ice Czar]

.I hope this turns into a flame thread because this ROOKIE deserves it.

do to big muddy moderator tracks
flaming has been postponed indefinately
and now for the weather,
tonight widespead darkness

 

[XSNiper]

I think MrDigital thinks that the extra ram gives you higher FPS. Game performance is a combonation of your system including: RAM, Video Card, CPU, and maybe even Sound Card. RAM- Makes transitions between loading, new menus, etc. faster. Video Card- higher FPS at higher res. at higher settings. CPU- Most everything including AI. Sound Card- higher quality sound and can have an impact on FPS good or bad. RAM DOES NOT MAKE YOUR FPS MUCH OR ANY HIGHER! IT STRICTLY SMOOTHNESS FROM ONE SCREEN TO THE NEXT!

ps. MrD this is an unwinable war it doesnt matter how crappy your PC is and how much money you have, its just a fact the higher amount of RAM IS BETTER no matter how much you try to say its not or is a waste.

 

[Crosshairs]

1GB is a waste. The only people who say otherwise are those who already wasted their money on 1GB and need to justify it to themselves. You won't need 1GB until Longhorn.

-MrD

LMAO Well I wasted my money on a GIG of Corsiar, And I would waste it again if I needed to.
Its the best investment I made as far as Im concerned.
I game heavly on this machine, and it makes a HUGE improvement in playability.

And I dont need to justify my purchase to you, but lets just say that my salary affords me plenty of " Mad Money" .
And I have no trouble spending it on things that I like, even if some internet dude thinks I wasted my money

 

[WuTangClam]

If any of you actually took a look at the machine I'm running these comments of "he just can't afford 1GB" wouldn't be happening. I spent more on my motherboard than most do on their RAM. It's not an issue of affording it. It's an issue of waste.

Do I order a 32oz porterhouse steak and eat 10oz of it and throw it away, simply because I can afford it? No. I order what I need.

There will come a time when 1GB is needed. Maybe it will be in the next 6 months, but I doubt it. If those of you with 1GB (for gaming) right now want to believe it makes a difference, more power to you. But I will continue to try and inform new builders that it is a waste until the day it is not.

-MrD

A 3.2Ghz P4 and a 9800 Pro is generally a waste for home users doing nothing but surfing and gaming. So is 3 printers, PCI-X, dual gigabit lan, 2 SCSI 15K RPM HDs, an Audigy ZS Platinum, 500+ Gbs of storage space, 3 optical drives, a top of the line 510W PSU and 2 21" monitors. Does that mean you wasted money on your setup? No, it just means that your needs differ from the average home user's.

In the same way, the needs of people who have a gig of ram differ from yours. I know for a fact that CS: Source, Far Cry, Doom 3, Desert Combat, UT engine based games, and many others run MUCH smoother with a gig of ram compared to 512Mb. If you want to put your money where your mouth is, try these games with what you have now and then add another 512Mb. I think you'd be surprised at the difference.

 

[Mav451]

Well, the only ONE area I would agree with Mr. Digital is my situation.

Would spending $95 for another 512MB stick of Corsair RAM help as much as spending $160 on a used 9800Pro for Doom3/UT2k4/CS:Source?

Well, the best situation would be half both, but if it were part of an incremental upgrade, it is clear the 8500 is holding my performance down alot worse than having only 512MB.

(I run Doom3 @ 640x480, low for everything lol).

Going to 1024x768 high quality (or maybe higher, this is estimates from the Doom3 hardware guide), would be monumental jump. In terms of level loading, yes, if i had 1Gig, they would load faster with less page file activity, but I think the jump to a 9800Pro would be beneficial FIRST.

 

[XSNiper]

make sure to change your sig Mav

 

[Neocorteqz]

If any of you actually took a look at the machine I'm running these comments of "he just can't afford 1GB" wouldn't be happening. I spent more on my motherboard than most do on their RAM. It's not an issue of affording it. It's an issue of waste.

Do I order a 32oz porterhouse steak and eat 10oz of it and throw it away, simply because I can afford it? No. I order what I need.

There will come a time when 1GB is needed. Maybe it will be in the next 6 months, but I doubt it. If those of you with 1GB (for gaming) right now want to believe it makes a difference, more power to you. But I will continue to try and inform new builders that it is a waste until the day it is not.

-MrD

SO I take it you needed the 2 Seagates for web surfing right??

 

[Neocorteqz]

few would be coded to take advantage anyway

64-bit Computing in Real Life
Opteron memory Guide


Photoshop is limited internally to 2GB (as a process)
whereas say Renderman Pro Server (3D backend) can employ greater than 2GB
and alot more will likely be ported soon
you forgot video editing, and encoding

as I said before I dont Game, so I really have no benchmark to determine what kind of decrease in game performance your describing by having more RAM
but I know quite a few members have rigs that do alot more than just game
and a 1GB Id call a minimum, especially in the Higher end processors
(obviously paired in the Dual Channels)
folks are just too likely to be running a few dozen processes at once
a few of them potentially intensive

this is fun > How the “Dell Model” Cripples Computing—And Drives the Industry. @ Sudhain

I occasionally do my forums stuff on my machine, so i find the extra ram a big difference from the old 512 Megs i used to have.


ohh and my host server box has a gig of Ram and a barton 3000 proc. and it don't play games.

 

[Neocorteqz]

do to big muddy moderator tracks
flaming has been postponed indefinately
and now for the weather,
tonight widespead darkness

I sort of rememver the flame fest between a bunch of us and some guy named Tanks. Fun times...

No flaming from me, i just want to see how having less ram is better, yeah in the old days of Windows 98/98SE, that was true, but the Os has changed, i mean I have a Linux install that's kernel is compiled for a system that has up to 4 GB's of ram, and there is an option to compile the kernel for support for up to 64 GB of ram. so who is gonna tell me more ram is not good....

 

[Bugalaman]

I'm not ever going to read all these posts.
I upgraded to a gig last month, and I have to say, it was the best thing I've ever done. Games load twice as fast, windows boots a little faster (maybe due to SP2, though), and overall everything is faster. Its worth it, upgrade.

 

[kleptophobiac]

I use a gigabyte because things like photoshop and bf42 like it.

 

[wallijonn]

I have to ask you guys - what happens if you have 'fast writes' on or off in your video card?

I always thought that if you have fast writes enabled the video card uses video card memory to load textures and if you have it off it uses the system memory to load the textures into.

If you have a lot of system ram, will turning it off cause the system to quicken?

http://tech-report.com/columns/damage/2000q4/agp/

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/hwGuides/article.php/1463741

Now, as far as AGP size goes, if you have 256MB of video memory and you are supposed to set the AGP size to 1/4 (to 1/2) of your system RAM, doesn't this then state that you should have 1G of system RAM if you have a video card with 256MB of video RAM?

If you have 512MB of system RAM then a 128MB video card should be optimal. But if you have a 256MB video card in the same system will you see any performance increase past any higher speeds afforded by the higher spec card? The only card that I can think of is an ATI 9800 with 128MB of vid-ram and one with 256MB of vid-ram. But even that isn't a fair test because the 128MB card may only have a 128bit mem bus while the other will have a 256bit mem bus.

If you have a 256MB vid card and 512MB of system RAM and you set your AGP size to 256, you are in effect using half of your system RAM for your video card. That will leave you with 256MB to run your OS and your apps. (in this case a game). Your system could therefore become crash prone when playing a game, especially while online.

On setting AGP size:
http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/aperture-size/index.shtml

This gist of all this is that if you have 512MB in your present system and you have an old mobo which does not support fast writes, besides adding more system RAM you may want to consider a newer mobo which can take advantage of the full capabilities of your video card.

peace.

 

[XSNiper]

who's question did this answer ^^ O YEAH he answered it...

 

[MrDigital]

ps. I'm a rookie? I been building computers since apple IIe's, and whos the noob with the 56k modem in their pc? you still on dialup? or do you like having it attached to your pc sitting there taking resources? If you use it for faxing, ever heard of efax.com?

Yes rookie, you made a statement about me being on my Mommy's PC. Unless my mom has a Supermicro workstation motherboard and PCP&C 510 PSU, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Not only that, but if you actually READ instead of scanning, you would notice my modem is a US Robotics Courier, the single greatest modem ever invented. I use it for e-faxing, and when necessary, internet access (if the cable modem dies). It doesn't take any resources other filling a serial port that would otherwise be unused anyhow.

BTW, what did Apple think of you building Apple ][e's? They should give you a medal for being the only person able to do it since Apple's didn't have any clones back then.

Anyhow, keep the replies coming, it's pure comedy.

-MrD

 

[MrDigital]

I think MrDigital thinks that the extra ram gives you higher FPS. Game performance is a combonation of your system including: RAM, Video Card, CPU, and maybe even Sound Card. RAM- Makes transitions between loading, new menus, etc. faster. Video Card- higher FPS at higher res. at higher settings. CPU- Most everything including AI. Sound Card- higher quality sound and can have an impact on FPS good or bad. RAM DOES NOT MAKE YOUR FPS MUCH OR ANY HIGHER! IT STRICTLY SMOOTHNESS FROM ONE SCREEN TO THE NEXT!

ps. MrD this is an unwinable war it doesnt matter how crappy your PC is and how much money you have, its just a fact the higher amount of RAM IS BETTER no matter how much you try to say its not or is a waste.

No, I think extra RAM for gaming is a waste all the way around, not just for higher FPS. I think if you want higher frames per second you buy a better video card or a better CPU.

RAM only helps when loading the game and textures. 512 is more than enough for that.

-MrD

 

[MrDigital]

SO I take it you needed the 2 Seagates for web surfing right??

There's been a couple of statements about what I need the equipment in my machine for, so let me break it down:

I have multiple printers. 1 is a 4x6 printer, which is self-explanatory. The 7550 I bought first and just happen to have. The Epson I bought because I print a buttload of DVD labels and I have a friend who works for Epson, and he gave me about 15 complete black & color cartridges for that printer specifically, so I bought it. Free ink easily returns the cost of the printer.

I got the motherboard because it has AGP & PCI-X + P4, not Xeon, a hard to find combination. The dual gigabit LAN is extraneous but it came on the board. I would only need 1 of the 2. The storage space is used for MP3's and video files. The PSU is necessary because I power everything that's in the machine and stably. 2 of the optical drives are necessary because there have been many occasions where I need to burn 2 DVD's at once. The CD-R is simply a hold-over from an older machine. The PCI-X slots are needed to hold the PCI-X 39320 SCSI controller + the Intel Fiber NIC I'm putting in relatively soon to interface with my storage server. Gigabit copper could possibly do what I need but the space between the two machines are approaching the limitations of copper (and especially unshielded gigabit lines) so I'm going to run fiber.

And to answer the poster above's question, the two Seagates are used for two reasons: 1, it takes an abnormal amount of sustained disk bandwidth to burn DVD's at 4/8x, and 2, I do a lot of video modifications and encoding, and the RAID helps. In reference to Ice Czar's comment, I don't believe that more RAM helps in encoding and video editing. I think the data stream is more important than the RAM.

I don't believe I ever said I used my machine only to surf the net, although I do that as well, of course.

-MrD

 

[MrDigital]

folks are just too likely to be running a few dozen processes at once
a few of them potentially intensive

I think you over-estimate the users on here. I would guess most of them IM their friends and game, and perhaps have IE/Firefox open to check their Hotmail.

I run anywhere between 8-10 programs at any given time in a relatively ongoing manner and I rarely notice any slowdowns from lack of memory.

Could it be because my pagefile is on a 15k SCSI array? Perhaps. But my physical memory rarely drops below 75MB free, which to most of the uninitiated here may seem low, it's simply the way Windows allocates memory. Windows will generally always allocate more than it needs to the foreground application.

Want some fun and games? Open up a bunch of apps. Open task manager. Look at the amount of RAM each program takes. Minimize the open programs. Look at the amount of RAM again.

Yay, I just got Firefox down from 97MB to 8MB by minimizing it. I maximize it again and it's back up to 23MB. Don't believe everything MS Task Manager tells you about how much memory you need. Windows will use up your memory until it can't use anymore and than take out the garbage. My minimizing and maximizing you're forcing this garbage dump.

Paging isn't always the same as running out of physical RAM. Windows will page even if it has physical RAM. Windows automagically uses the pagefile any time it needs to store data in memory that it doesn't need again right away, such as Folding@Home. Add the the column "VM Size" to your task manager window and view how much VM each program is taking. Even with 2GB you'll still see programs taking a chunk of VM. This is the way Windows works. It has nothing to do with how much RAM you have.

-MrD

 

[Ice Czar]

actually Id say you underestimating the encoding and burning crowd
and not mp3, video encoding DivX et al

serious multi tasking easily requires 1GB given the OS and assorted resident programs hog so much,

Im not doin much of anything right now
just watching a mounted DVD image and surfing
however
Running processes:
C:\WINNT\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\services.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Eset\nod32krn.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\oodag.exe
C:\Program Files\Kerio\Personal Firewall\persfw.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\regsvc.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\MSTask.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\WBEM\WinMgmt.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\sstray.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI Control Panel\atiptaxx.exe
C:\registryprotection\regprot.exe
C:\Program Files\SpyBlocker Software\spyblocker.exe
C:\Program Files\ClocX\ClocX.exe
C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\MBM5.EXE
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI HYDRAVISION\HydraDM.exe
C:\Program Files\Eset\nod32kui.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\main\launchpd.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\RemCtrl\ATIRW.exe
C:\Program Files\Mousewrap2\mousewrap2.exe
C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Distillr\AcroTray.exe
C:\Program Files\Samurize\Client.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgmain.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\rundll32.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgbhp.exe
C:\Program Files\Google\ggviewer81-35.exe
C:\WINNT\system32\mobsync.exe
C:\WINNT\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINNT\explorer.exe
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Program Files\D-Tools\daemon.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\MAIN\ATIMMC.EXE
C:\WINNT\system32\DllHost.exe
C:\ZARK\ARK\SCN\HijackThis.exe

at this point it would not be uncommon for me to see something Id capture and then modify in Photoshop, in the background there is active scanning and stealth defrag going on, and I dont even have any active desktop content (just local perfmons)

 

[MrDigital]

actually Id say you underestimating the encoding and burning crowd
and not mp3, video encoding DivX et al

serious multi tasking easily requires 1GB given the OS and assorted resident programs hog so much,

Im not doin much of anything right now
just watching a mounted DVD image and surfing
however
Running processes:
C:\Program Files\SpyBlocker Software\spyblocker.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgmain.exe
C:\Program Files\SpywareGuard\sgbhp.exe
C:\ZARK\ARK\SCN\HijackThis.exe

You run a lot of damn spyware guards!

-MrD

 

[Ice Czar]

ran Hijackthis to get the process list

however yes I run a layered defense
Rampant Paranoia 101

I didnt say where I was surfing
and this isnt "my" box, which would also have TDS-3 running actively
just putting a config through its paces

 

[phaelinx]

Yes rookie, you made a statement about me being on my Mommy's PC. Unless my mom has a Supermicro workstation motherboard and PCP&C 510 PSU, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

Not only that, but if you actually READ instead of scanning, you would notice my modem is a US Robotics Courier, the single greatest modem ever invented. I use it for e-faxing, and when necessary, internet access (if the cable modem dies). It doesn't take any resources other filling a serial port that would otherwise be unused anyhow.

BTW, what did Apple think of you building Apple ][e's? They should give you a medal for being the only person able to do it since Apple's didn't have any clones back then.

Anyhow, keep the replies coming, it's pure comedy.

-MrD

No where in my comment did I say I was BUILDING Apple IIe's did I? Learn to read, I said SINCE Apple IIe's. My first pc was obviously the apple iie for many years. And if you wanna get technical, the apple IIe did come in parts, dual floppy drives, main pc with attached keyboard, color monitor, but just like comment on 1 gig of ram is unnecessary, you need to stick a sock in your mouth. My first IBM Clone was a lunchbox 8086, if you know what those are im impressed, if not, im not going to explain. From that pc stemmed off about a dozen more computers, a 386sx 16mhz, then a 486 dx4 100mhz, a couple pentium 90s, a couple p2's, some amd k6-2 and k6-3's..a couple athlon xp thunderbirds, a thoroughbred and now this barton..and lets see..I dont need a modem to have the internet practically injected into my veins. If my internet drops, I dont load up the dialup connection just to get my daily fix of the web. Oh and about the modem taking resources, no where did I say computer resources did I? Again you assume, resources meaning precious space on this earth? Um..Electricity when its on? True I have my US robotics 56k fax modem..But I dont pull it out whenever the internet dies just to not break into a deep seeded sweat and thank god you can still get online.

 

[MrDigital]

No where in my comment did I say I was BUILDING Apple IIe's did I?

I been building computers since apple IIe's

Certainly sounds like you've been building PC's since the Apple ][e's. If you've been USING computers since than, you could say as such.

And if you don't need a dial-up connection to access the net if your broadband goes down, more power to you. You obviously don't do anything critical and/or productive online. I on the other hand need to make sure I can access the net at any given time because my occupation depends on it.

-MrD

 

[phaelinx]

Certainly sounds like you've been building PC's since the Apple ][e's. If you've been USING computers since than, you could say as such.

And if you don't need a dial-up connection to access the net if your broadband goes down, more power to you. You obviously don't do anything critical and/or productive online. I on the other hand need to make sure I can access the net at any given time because my occupation depends on it.

-MrD

MOST occupations don't require all the senseless garbage attached to your pc..and When has a occupation required a Lian Li 6 in 1 reader?? Or a 9800Pro? hmm? or 2 dvd burners? thats some heavy illegal occupation you got going on there..downloading movies, burning them and selling? I'd trade all the nonsense for another stick of 512 in a heartbeat.

 

[Ice Czar]

phaelinx stick a sock in it yourself

making unfounded accusations wont be tolerated
but lets see to answer your question

graphic design, cgi, and video

 

[Neocorteqz]

Usually when the internet goes down (IE RR F's up) I go do something else.

 

[Neocorteqz]

phaelinx stick a sock in it yourself

making unfounded accusations wont be tolerated
but lets see to answer your question

graphic design, cgi, and video

is there some kind of test out there that can prove one way or another that more ram is less or more benificial?

 

[wallijonn]

Guys,

Let's try to be more civil. The moderators can lock this thread due to personal recriminations. I for one like the exchange of info going on. So let's not resort to personal attacks.

Ice Czar,

Thanks for " Rampant Paranoia 101 ". Now that's some helpful info.

 

[XSNiper]

Okay, I have been having some trouble choosing between 1GB of RAM or just 512MB. My computer right now has 512, and it's pretty good. I have heard that some games won't even run without a GB. Any insight would be helpful.

MrD this is what started all this.

I have a gig of ram setup as dual channel, things load faster, hd spins less, If I had known a gig of ram was this helpful I would of gotten it years ago..trust me, get a gig of ram...you will thank me. I use my pc mainly for gaming and having a gig of ram makes games run so much smoother

This is what ended it.

We don't need some one who is dirt poor because they spent so much on there modem to come in here and say that 1gb is a waste.

 

[phaelinx]

MrD this is what started all this.




This is what ended it.

We don't need some one who is dirt poor because they spent so much on there modem to come in here and say that 1gb is a waste.

exactly. MrDigital, no one here is saying games dont run on 512 ram..they certainly do..but games play smoother/levels load faster because more of the game is cached in ram instead of a dynamically resizing hd swap file thats not only resizing itself, but loading the game. And to a certain excent having 1 gig of ram does help fps. If your hd is so slow it is constantly caching the level in the swap file your fps does drop some as its trying to keep up with your video card so telling people that 1 gig is a waste, ESPECIALLY to a gamer who plays dx9 games is like saying having 500 gigs of hd space is unnecessary. I do have 500 gigs of hd space along with a gig of ram and could never be happier..

 

[Wolf-R1]

I can see that this thread has degenerated into a pissing contest.

Personally I think that 1gig is just slightly more than enough. I think the day where games want larger texture caches is now and it started with Doom3 and it's Ultra setting wanting 512mb caches. Other than texture cacheing for what few games exist that can handle it...more than 512 is marginal and over 1gig is a waste.

Personally I have noticed an improvement in games when moving from 512M to 1G which was nice but it doesn't really do much beyond that.

Of course that mindset doesn't speak to those that are rendering/editing/etc multimedia content.

 

[Ice Czar]

is there some kind of test out there that can prove one way or another that more ram is less or more benificial?

based on your own uage patterns its rather simple
Start > Run > (type) perfmon.msc > Help > Performance Logs and Alerts > Create Counter Log

log the pagefile and memory (various counters use the explain button)

of course you need to compare what you where doing to that for a given time period on the log

wallijonn your welcome, glad you found it useful, still working on it so check back

 

[Neocorteqz]

I can see that this thread has degenerated into a pissing contest.

Personally I think that 1gig is just slightly more than enough. I think the day where games want larger texture caches is now and it started with Doom3 and it's Ultra setting wanting 512mb caches. Other than texture cacheing for what few games exist that can handle it...more than 512 is marginal and over 1gig is a waste.

Personally I have noticed an improvement in games when moving from 512M to 1G which was nice but it doesn't really do much beyond that.

Of course that mindset doesn't speak to those that are rendering/editing/etc multimedia content.

I have over a gig and noticed a difference as well. also the less paging you have to do, the faster the load time will be. plain and simple. There is a little thing in XP that will alow you to select what you'd like you memory optimised for. Background services, or Programs.

 

[MrDigital]

MOST occupations don't require all the senseless garbage attached to your pc..and When has a occupation required a Lian Li 6 in 1 reader?? Or a 9800Pro? hmm? or 2 dvd burners? thats some heavy illegal occupation you got going on there..downloading movies, burning them and selling? I'd trade all the nonsense for another stick of 512 in a heartbeat.

As usual Phaelinx, you're having trouble. I use the 6 in 1 card reader for the same reason I use the zip drive. I have certain clients who I offer data transfer services to. They have something on flash media that they need on CD or other storage. Don't ask me why they use flash media since I don't know the answer to that, nor do I care. But I have it for that reason.

Secondly I have a 9800 Pro because I like to play a game of UT2K4 from time to time and perhaps some other game if any strikes my fancy. It was on sale at Fry's for $200 which seemed like a good deal so I got it.

As for my occupation since you seem so interested, I am technical contractor for a lot of different things. For some companies I am the network/systems admin. For other companies I do data translation/transfer services. For one I do document scanning and archiving to DVD. That's why I have a scanner with an ADF. I do any number of things with my hardware which you can't even begin to comprehend without resorting to some allegations about it being illegal.

I'm sure you'd trade it all for another stick of 512 because you don't know how to use your computer for anything productive like some of us do.

-MrD

 

[MrDigital]

We don't need some one who is dirt poor because they spent so much on there modem to come in here and say that 1gb is a waste.

Is there anyone here over the age of 16 who can retort my statements without making it have something to do with how much money I spent on my PC?

Seriously, take your head from wherever it is and look at what I have in my PC. If some of the stuff doesn't look familiar to you (likely), look it up. Note the price of it. Use common sense and basic math and determine that I have more than enough money to buy 1GB or more if I wanted it.

As for Phaelinx's comment ending it, if the world only accepted one answer it certainly wouldn't be very great, now would it. I happened to disagree with Phaelinx at the beginning and even more so now.

-MrD

 

[Ice Czar]

Seriously, take your head from wherever it is

walking right up to the line and then spitting over it for effect,
doesnt make my job any easier

for posters that would seek to retort to this
consider that this thread is under such close observation
that the ants are starting to crisp

 

[DirtyApe]

the way i see it. to each their own. if 512mb ram is enough for Mr.Digital then let it be that. he has his opinion and other people have their opinions. for me, 1gb is a sweet spot for gaming. for Mr.Digital 512mb is a sweet spot for what he does in his 24 hours alotted to him each day. im just barely getting into the whole "using a computer for more than a gaming rig" aspect of computing. lets try to be more mature about this "exchanging of opinions" and i have more respect for the way Mr.Digital has handled all the comments going towards him than i do for the majority of the people that i see in this forum. have a good day