The Best TCCD

What is the Best TCCD RAM?

  • A-data PC-4500 Vitesta

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Corsair PC-3200 Xtra Low Latency R.2 TWINX1024-3200XLPT

    Votes: 24 15.1%

  • G.skill PC-4400 F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE

    Votes: 48 30.2%

  • Kingston PC-3200 HyperX KHX3200ULK2/1G

    Votes: 3 1.9%

  • Mushkin PC-3200 Level II V2 991357

    Votes: 13 8.2%

  • OCZ PC-3200 R.2 OCZ4001024ELDCPER2-K

    Votes: 20 12.6%

  • PDP PC-3200 XBL PDC1G3200+XBLK

    Votes: 28 17.6%

  • PQI PC-3200 Turbo 2-2-2-5 PQI3200-1024DPU

    Votes: 11 6.9%

  • TwinMOS PC-3200 Twister Pro

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Other TCCD (Please Post Below)

    Votes: 10 6.3%
  • Total voters
    159
V

Vendeko

n00b
Joined
Dec 26, 2004
Messages
56
Ignore the model numbers they are just for reference, so even if the model number is the one for 2x512 sticks and you have 1x256, 1x512, 2x256, or 2x512 of the same type it doesn't matter.
 
iddqd said:
Why noy G.Skill GBLA luv? :(
Click to expand...
The PDP is basically the same, i think it has the brainpower layout too and its like 50 bucks cheaper. What more do you need? I'll give up 2 megahertz for 50 bucks! Hells ya!
 
apHytHiaTe said:
The PDP is basically the same, i think it has the brainpower layout too and its like 50 bucks cheaper. What more do you need? I'll give up 2 megahertz for 50 bucks! Hells ya!
Click to expand...
DDR660_sandra.JPG


720.JPG

PDP is not the same.
 
I can't say enuff about my OCZ Platinum PC-3200 R2.. Great ram, very fast..
 
PQI for sure its the only TCCD chips that i can get to run stable @245 1t command rate :) corsair couldnt do it and gskill i tested couldnt do it as good as the PQI
 
Well I have the OCZ EL Plat Rev2 and I voted for it but man everyday I wake up I am haunted on the decision I made: OCZ or G.Skill.
 
OCZ 1gig pC3200 REV 2 LOL I paid 360.00 first week it was available at newegg. :rolleyes:
 
Ballistix 3200 is good.

For the higher end, Corsair's new 4400c2.5 (Linky) looks amazing! DDR600+ on A64!

(All of my recent rigs use 3200XL, I believe it's Brainpower.)
 
ballistix is good for oc'ing with tight timings without too much voltage.
however, this thread is about tccd.. ballistix = micron 5g-b ;)
 
iddqd said:
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/LA/720.JPG
PDP is not the same.
Click to expand...
The bandwidth does not impress.
Mem285-1.jpg

That would be 7552mb/s/7449mb/s in sandra and 8033mb/s in everest...on PDP.
 
im with PDP... ive tested all the rest except some newcoming Wintech.... so far the PQI wins in >250 and the PDP wins above that....

i wont bother showing my benchies but at 245 they are around 7500 at 2.5-3-3-5 at 2.7v
 
Kueller said:
The bandwidth does not impress.
Mem285-1.jpg

That would be 7552mb/s/7449mb/s in sandra and 8033mb/s in everest...on PDP.
Click to expand...
Yes, winwithme's score is low because he's running 5tRcd, to achieve 360MHz, but that kills bandwidth. The other guy's 330MHz 2.5-3-3 (same timings as your silly PDP at 200-something-something) would have killed it, if he wasn't running it in s754.
 
iddqd said:
Yes, winwithme's score is low because he's running 5tRcd, to achieve 360MHz, but that kills bandwidth. The other guy's 330MHz 2.5-3-3 (same timings as your silly PDP at 200-something-something) would have killed it, if he wasn't running it in s754.
Click to expand...

The reason the G. Skill seems to overclock better then some of the others is because its been hand tested for PC4400 or PC4800. That means only the chips that overclocked the best were used.

Memory chips are no different then say a CPU core or GPU core. Not everyone is going to be able to reach the same clocks. Some overclock really really well, some overclock well, some dont do so hot. Unless the chips are hand tested for higher speeds then nothing is guaranteed with buying PC3200 with Samsung TCCD chips because that memory was only tested for PC3200 and that is why they rated it at that speed instead of PC4400.

The G. Skill memory however is really no different then any of the rest of these choices except for the fact your more likely to get better overclocking DIMM's because they have already been tested at the higher speeds. The G. Skill memory still only uses Samsung TCCD memory chips and a brainpower PCB.

Something else some of you are forgetting is the fact that excessive bandwidth is somewhat useless unless your running an application that can make use of it. Games can't and performance in gaming increases as the access time increases and to do this your going to have to have tight timings and loosening the timings so you can break 300Mhz is going to get you nowhere.

For gaming performance your better off using a memory divider and overclocking if your planning on breaking the 300Mhz barrier so that you can still keep your timings tight.

With dual channel there really isn't much point in more bandwidth.

My vote sticks with the OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 because out of those options listed i think it will have the best real world performance because in the tests i've seen its capable of reaching the same clocks as the rest while maintaining tighter timings.
 
The process is called "speed binning", silly :p. 1 in every 200 chips is binned for pc4800GBLA, and one in every 40 is binned for pc4400GBLE, and so on, so forth. Why EL3200 Platinum Rev.2, though? EL3700 Platinum is binned for higher speeds, so the 3200 is actually the worst TCCD OCZ has (and 3700 is best).
 
iddqd said:
EL3700 Platinum is binned for higher speeds, so the 3200 is actually the worst TCCD OCZ has (and 3700 is best).
Click to expand...

My 4200 OCZ TCCD would beg to differ.
 
iddqd said:
The process is called "speed binning", silly :p. 1 in every 200 chips is binned for pc4800GBLA, and one in every 40 is binned for pc4400GBLE, and so on, so forth. Why EL3200 Platinum Rev.2, though? EL3700 Platinum is binned for higher speeds, so the 3200 is actually the worst TCCD OCZ has (and 3700 is best).
Click to expand...

What OCZ Platinum versions use Samsung TCCD chips? All of them?

Do they all use Brainpower PCB's?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43659

The OCZ PC3700 Platinum is listed under the ones that use Samsung TCCD chips but it doesn't show it having a Brainpower PCB.
 
What voltage does G. Skill rate their memory up to? You can run the OCZ PC3200 Platinum up to 3.0v and its still under warranty. I'm sure OCZ's customer service and warranty program is alot better then G. Skills as well.

G. Skill havn't been around very long have they?

I tend to stick with brands like Mushkin, OCZ, Kingston, Corsair and Crucial because they are names people have grown to trust for memory.

And like i said before, you really dont need memory that will break excessive speed barriers because its not going to improve performance in areas like gaming. Your already getting a saturated amount of bandwidth through having dual channel and there isn't any point in trying to break DDR600 speeds. You should get better gaming performance with tight 2-2-2-5 timings and a lower speed setting.

What people dont realize is that you can only use so much bandwidth unless its a bandwidth intensive application. If your playing a game it will use so much bandwidth and then anything after that will provide you zero benefit. Its just like having 2GB of RAM when you need 1GB.
 
Gskill LE 2x512 with tccd431F (week31) run the best at 2.65V with 2.5-3-3-6-1T up to 299, off course with a mobo that can support it ;)
 
brentsg said:
My 4200 OCZ TCCD would beg to differ.
Click to expand...
Oh, right I keep forgetting.
(cf)Eclipse said:
exacltly why my vote went to the g.skill pc4800 :D
Click to expand...
pc4800 is not a poll option. :confused:
burningrave101 said:
What OCZ Platinum versions use Samsung TCCD chips? All of them?

Do they all use Brainpower PCB's?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43659

The OCZ PC3700 Platinum is listed under the ones that use Samsung TCCD chips but it doesn't show it having a Brainpower PCB.
Click to expand...
Yes, EL3200 Platinum Rev.2, EL3700 Platinum and EL4200 Platinum all use Samsung TCCD chips. 3700 used to be the cream of the crop. Only the 3200 version uses Brainpower-brand PCB. That particular PCB was developed with a joint effort by OCZ and Brainpower. It features built-in resistors inside the PCB (so you won't have to populate the surface with them) and OCZ's signature EMI-shielding layers. OCZ makes their own PCB for 3700 and 4200, and arguably it's better, or just as good. It also has shielding.
 
robberbaron said:
They've been around since 1989.
Click to expand...

Yea i see that now that i look back over the review i was looking at earlier. Newegg seems to have a pretty limited choice for G. Skill memory, do any other vendors sell a larger supply?

I wish their memory came with heatspreaders on them. I know they dont help with cooling all that much but make the memory look a little better through a case window.

iddqd said:
Yes, EL3200 Platinum Rev.2, EL3700 Platinum and EL4200 Platinum all use Samsung TCCD chips. 3700 used to be the cream of the crop. Only the 3200 version uses Brainpower-brand PCB. That particular PCB was developed with a joint effort by OCZ and Brainpower. It features built-in resistors inside the PCB (so you won't have to populate the surface with them) and OCZ's signature EMI-shielding layers. OCZ makes their own PCB for 3700 and 4200, and arguably it's better, or just as good. It also has shielding.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the info dude.

Do you guys think its worth it to spend a little more and get the OCZ EL PC3700 Platinum? It doesn't cost all that much more at Newegg because there is a $20 instant rebate on it right now.

EDIT: I think i'm just gonna get the OCZ PC3200 Platinum Rev2 for $266.50 and free shipping with a coupon i got out of MaximumPC.
 
TCCD available in any low end brands yet? Or will that still be a while... (For example the best infineon and older samsung chips eventually found their way to PNY and other shelf brands)
 
Samsungs' TCCD memory modules...

Samsung TCCD chipped DDR RAM is the new RAM of choice.
It can reach speeds and timmings at a much lower vDimm than
the Famous Winbond BH-5 memory. ddr400 PC3200 @ 2-2-2 is the norm.
Some examples have reached ddr600 @ 2.5-3-3 and 2.6vDimm

This is a partial list of memory modules that use Samsung TCCD chips

Adata PC4500 Vitesta
Adata PC4800 Vitesta
Apacer PC4000
Centon Advanced DDR
Corsair PC3200XL
Corsair XMS PC3200C2 Rev4.1 2-3-3-6-1T
Geil UltraX pc3200 ~ Brainpower PCB
Gskill PC4400 (various) ~ Brainpower PCB
Kingston HyperX PC 3200ULK2
Mushkin PC3200 Rev.2
OCZ PC3200 Rev.2 ~ Brainpower PCB
OCZ PC3700 Platinum
Patriot Extreme Performance PDC5123200+XBLK ~ Brainpower PCB
PQI 3200 Turbo 2-2-2-5 ~ Brainpower PCB
Samsung PC4000 CL3
Twinmos Twister Pro

The Brainpower pcb is also proving to be the faster RAM. It utilizes
thinner and shorter traces, and is the one to have.
Corsair will be updating to the Brainpower PCB's but will not be designated
in their labling.

Zennzzos' RAM of choice would have to be the PQI offering seen here
http://www.pqimemory.com/spec.asp?link=/dc/PQI3200-1024DPU.htm 275.00 a gig.

***EDIT*** Current price at Newegg $245.00

Ripped from this thread. And of course now G.Skill has the LA's which are rated at PC4800 with different timings which some are saying do even better.
 
So is running high voltage not best for overclockin TCCD, i got 2x512 sticks of corais with TCCD...(got it for free cant complain, other wise yes i would have bought Gskill) I run mine at 3.0v, will it run better runnign lower voltage?
 
Probably not. Samsung chips (including TCCD) have on-die current regulation circuitry. These particular circuits are called "stabilitron"s. I can't remember exactly how a stabilitron works, but It's a very simple device, similar to a diode. They will only work for current of a specific range. Anything lower, and it won't go through, anything higer and it will be dissipated as heat and light. So giving your TCCD too much voltage might not be a good idea (as it's not getting it anyway, and heat cases lower switching times in the surround transistors, lowering your overclock (as the whole integrated circuit(chip) is only as fast as the slowest circuits in it). However, different weeks and revisions of TCCD "like" different voltages. For example, week 31 (431) likes relatively low voltage, below 2.9vdimm, while week 32 (432) likes relatively high, 3.1-3.3vdimm. There is a rumor that Mushkin is using a special revision of TCCD on their pc3200 level II V2 PCBs, the "mobile" TCCD. These, according to Samsung's data tables do not have stabilitrons (for one reason or another). So, theoretically, it would react to high voltages the same way as our beloved Winbond chips, i.e. - the more the better. This has been put into practice, where Mushkin TCCD ran at 2-2-2-X at 250MHz, and even over that (256-258), at relatively high voltage (over 3.3vdimm). However, both of the results I know of were achieved by reviewers, so they might just be speed-binned by Mushkin.
 
iddqd said:
Probably not. Samsung chips (including TCCD) have on-die current regulation circuitry. These particular circuits are called "stabilitron"s. I can't remember exactly how a stabilitron works, but It's a very simple device, similar to a diode. They will only work for current of a specific range.so they might just be speed-binned by Mushkin.
Click to expand...


great info dude...im gonna have the check my week when i get home
 
k1114 said:
TCCD available in any low end brands yet? Or will that still be a while... (For example the best infineon and older samsung chips eventually found their way to PNY and other shelf brands)
Click to expand...

Your best bet is the PDP memory (linkage: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=1 )....lowest price plus has the brainpower PCB...the website of the manufacturer itself guarentees speeds up to PC4200 @ 3-4-4-8 and 2-2-2-5 @ PC3200, both @ 1T.
 
burningrave101 said:
I wish their memory came with heatspreaders on them. I know they dont help with cooling all that much but make the memory look a little better through a case window.

.
Click to expand...

You can just buy heatspreaders if such a thing is that important to you (though I'll never understand why it would be. My ram isn't even visible in the case window since it's towards the top of the motherboard)
 
burningrave101 said:
I wish their memory came with heatspreaders on them. I know they dont help with cooling all that much but make the memory look a little better through a case window.
Click to expand...
1. Heatspreaders are useless at best. They do not significantly increase surface area to aid teh dissipation of heat. Unless you attach them with a good thermal compound (AS5, Shin Etsu), they are actually impairing normal heat dissipation (no heatspreader). Even aluminum substrate tape doesn't conduct heat well enough. It's also full of air powers, which are very poor conductors of heat. It's like putting a warm winter jacket on your RAM.

2. Ramsinks are clearly superior - they increase surface area.

3. You can buy heatspreaders, if you want them that much.

4. You don't get to see them either - you only see the ram from the top, not much to look at, heatspreader or no heatspreader.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top