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True but there's really no viable way to compare from one manufacturer to the next, there are so many variables in "the cheapest setup" versus "similar features" (which may not be exactly similar) versus "this is the board that I would buy" that it would be impractical to add them into a cost per frame analysis and is easiest just to compare the CPU cost, but I agree cost per frame type of comparisons should stick to similar chipsets so all those other factors are equalized, is the 7600x better cost per frame than the 7800x3d or whatever would be a better metric than 13900k vs 7800x3d
5800x3d has way better cost per frame than a 7600x if you include platform costs. I see no real reason to ever consider a 7600x outside of saving costs, but the 5800x3d was such a good product that it casts a shadow over much of the AM5 lineup.
That chart also uses the launch price of the 5800x3d when it can be had for $100-150 less than that these days.
True, but one reason to consider a 7600x is that you're getting your foot in the door (as cheaply as possible) in a new platform whenever it may go. Now I know AMD stated they'll support it until 2025(??) so who knows what other CPUs may come out down the line as a generational improvement over all other CPUs much like the 5800x3d did for the AM4 platform. Sure it is a bit of a gamble and a "what if" but with the 7600x there will be some level of upgrade path should you want it down the line, with the 5800x3d there is no upgrade path because you're at the end of a platform that won't advance any further.
Pretty much I was tasked with building a few "budget" gaming machines for a friend and their 2 kids. The 5800x3D is readily available, the platform is not cost prohibitive, and the missing features have almost no real-world implications outside of 4K, which these machines will not be doing 2 are at 1080p and one at 1440p.
Yeah but if you're already paying extra for the platform you might as well spring the extra bit for the 7800x3d assuming the build is for gaming.True, but one reason to consider a 7600x is that you're getting your foot in the door (as cheaply as possible) in a new platform whenever it may go. Now I know AMD stated they'll support it until 2025(??) so who knows what other CPUs may come out down the line as a generational improvement over all other CPUs much like the 5800x3d did for the AM4 platform. Sure it is a bit of a gamble and a "what if" but with the 7600x there will be some level of upgrade path should you want it down the line, with the 5800x3d there is no upgrade path because you're at the end of a platform that won't advance any further.
But again everyone is going to see what things they value, I mean hell I'm still rocking a 4790k so obviously upgrading the CPU hasn't been high on my list of priorities but I do see what the AM4 platform did and I jumped in at at Zen+ I would be more than happy with the upgrades available with Zen3 now whether or not AM5 has a similar output... *shrug* if I had my crystal ball I'd be super rich now and not care about prices of stuff
I have never been a fan of "pay a bunch now for something you aren't happy with so you can spend more later to upgrade it", it always ends up being more effort than it's worth and almost never pans out for me.
I think the potential upgrade path on AM5 is a good argument in favor of it but not with a CPU that's basically a placeholder.
I mean sure, it's the "Super Size" argument where you pay "just a little bit more" to get "a whole lot more", I will say you need to watch out for that trap because you can often keep making that argument and end up spending a whole lot more money than you originally intended... although not so much in this case as the 7800x3d apparently is faster than the 7900x3d?
The reality is the 5800x3D is too good and will be a relevant CPU for the next 5 years, Heaps, SMA, direct storage, direct memory, ... all of these work to take loads off the CPU, needing to upgrade your CPU frequently to chase framerates, isn't really a thing anymore unless you are looking at 4K at which point the argument takes a different turn but even there you will hit a GPU bottleneck before you hit a CPU based on. GPU upgrades at this stage are far more important than CPU ones, engines utilizing the benefits of DDR 5 are still some 3 years out, and 1440p and below won't be taxing PCIe4 any time soon, the load time benefits from PCIe3 to PCIe5 NVME is in the single digit ms range and is not really relevant.
It seemed like you were trying to make a case for when the 7600x makes sense but if you're already paying a premium to jump up to AM5 I don't think it makes sense to buy the cheapest CPU possible when a much better option is available for a relatively small amount when you look at the whole platform cost.
It's a B650 Extreme/B650-E board, which is basically the same as the X670 with fewer PCI-E lanes and fewer USB/SATA ports. A regular B650 doesn't have PCI-E 5.0 support like the B650-E does.Surprising set of features on that B-series board, wow. I'm going to have to start including B-series boards in my searches now.
Agreed on the RAM too. Just RDR2 alone darn near fills my 16GB I have now (I've even had it crash while paging too, but I read it might be due to a memory leak). Anyway, rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
Side note, I might end up going back to GSkill. I'm on my 3rd pair of DDR4 2x8GB 3200 Corsair Dominator Platinum's
Appreciate the heads up, was going to be asking the same question.
With PC components, the whole "future proofing" thing is mostly a myth; a lie people tell themselves.
Eh, no issues for me other than a few early ram issues that are gone now. If you wait until gen 3 of am5, well it's already at dead end status by then.
The first gen had issues, took a lot of bios updates before that got better. EPYC wasn't much better took me and a team from Dell a good 3 months of troubleshooting to get those servers stable, then all the problems went away with a new AGESA version and they would no longer soft lock. But there was a good amount of time when Dell was looking at just Lemmon-lawing the whole stack and replacing it with the Intel performance equivalent and eating the licensing difference. We're on year 5 with that stack and it's still going strong now (actually extending the warranties on them for another 2-years to EOL), but it was one hell of a rough start.
AM4 offered several nice upgrade paths unless you had a MB that was limited by weak power delivery or not enough extra space to upgrade the BIOS to support newer CPUs. I upgraded my x470 board once and if gpu prices hadn't kept me from upgrading that for a couple years I would have likely upgraded it twice, the only thing I'm missing by not being on x570 is PCIe 4 which still isn't much of an issue outside of NVME benchmarks.
Well I was thinking more of existing deals that currently pop up for 7600x like at microcenter where the cpu, mobo and ram can be had for $400 or something along those lines. But if you do piece things out you can regularly find the 7600x at $240 or in that range (and again if you get it from MC, free ram!) and $200+ starts to seem a bit less "relatively small" as that could easily a 50% increase in price, which if you're not rocking a high end GPU may be "good enough" for now. Of course if the 7800x3d drops in price like the 5800x3d did (mostly because not many paid attention to it) in a year or so, then yeah I'd sit on my hands and wait it out for price drops.
I'm still on the X370 motherboard I first got the 1700 before upgrading to 3900x which I currently have. it's been several years and I'm very impressed with the so called "planned obsolescence" on such hardware. Considering Intel's approach in the last few years. Across the board against AM4... How many Intel sockets have there been until AM5? Quite a few more than AM4 for consumers. Also, hardware design do change and may dictate socket design so what're you on about?
What mobo you gothttps://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-...=7800x3d&cm_re=7800x3d-_-19-113-793-_-Product
They're up!
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That is a GREAT question I am still trying to answer myself! I'll definitely post it here and (at) you when I come to a conclusion that meets my current and future* needs. I'm one that has many old 2.5" SSD's in my current setup (bolt on another 500GB Crucial here and there, ya know) and I'd like to turn those into large NVME's at some point. At the same time though, I really don't care about the read/write speeds, I'm not ripping or doing write-intensive work, and 1-2 second better loading times... yeah, I'll rock what I got for the time being.
I ended up landing on this mobo with the help of Armenius (thanks again man!)
Don't want it linked to MS anyway.
you don't even need a new CPU w/ DLSS3, budAppreciate the heads up man, and thanks! First truly new build since my 4690k!
I'll have those networking drivers on a flash-drive prior to the Windows install and I'll gladly do the offline local account trick
Doesn't look like he overclocked the G7400, so I wonder how much more performance you could get. I'll note that this requires a motherboard that supports BCLK overclocking on the Intel 12th gen CPU's, which even the cheapest (an ASROCK B660M PG RIPTIDE), is going to cost more than a basic B660 motherboard.
*frantically starts cancelling NewEgg orders*
you going to?
Sorry, my sarcasm doesn't transfer well apparently
