Hah. Those 3050s are gonna go for $400, except you won't find any because the scalpers will get them.
At least it's going to be a card likely worth buying for pci-e 3 users. I'm betting it'll be faster than a 1060... unlike the 6500xt.
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Hah. Those 3050s are gonna go for $400, except you won't find any because the scalpers will get them.
But they released a turd and they are all still gone with cards $299.99+
Hah. Those 3050s are gonna go for $400, except you won't find any because the scalpers will get them.
yesso the 1060 6gb is still a better option then? im assuming since its not so cut down.
Uh, Solitaire, Candy Crush, Angry Birds, AMD has you covered...AMD: "It's good for gamers".
What a joke.
More like "let's keep shitting on gamers."
Uh, Solitaire, Candy Crush, Angry Birds, AMD has you covered...
Sure, we'll go with that one.might work for "egamers" since they turn everything down anyways....
Except that the original premise of there being budget buyers with no money goes completely out the window. How can you not have $80 to ensure you have PCI-E 4.0 but have $400+ to buy a different card? This logically doesn't make any sense. The 3050 almost certainly will NOT be a $250, 300, or even $400 card. It's going to be a $600 card. So people are making assumptions on a cards value that's completely not realistic. Not a single reviewer really owned up to this fact that the actual price of it's "competitors" are going to be hundreds of dollars more.At least it's going to be a card likely worth buying for pci-e 3 users. I'm betting it'll be faster than a 1060... unlike the 6500xt.
Except that the original premise of there being budget buyers with no money goes completely out the window. How can you not have $80 to ensure you have PCI-E 4.0 but have $400+ to buy a different card? This logically doesn't make any sense. The 3050 almost certainly will NOT be a $250, 300, or even $400 card. It's going to be a $600 card. So people are making assumptions on a cards value that's completely not realistic. Not a single reviewer really owned up to this fact that the actual price of it's "competitors" are going to be hundreds of dollars more.
It's not 80 dollars to ensure you have a pci-e 4, it's a motherboard and processor. That includes the time that someone may or may not have the skills to replace (at least it'll fit in most power requirements). In some cases, it's an entirely new pc.
Both choices are logical. Just like buying a used gpu. Assuming your gpu is actually slower than this half baked gpu. The pci-e 3 hit is substantial. Enough, that it might put it below whatever budget gpu you already have.
Current processors that support pci-e 4
amd 3xxx
amd 5xxx
intel 12xxx
That's it.
You're assuming that the person didn't buy any of the processors known to support it you can mix and match processors and MBs. The amount of SKU's available don't dictate purchase price. No one is discounting the impact of PCI-E 3.0. But at the same time telling people well just save $500 to buy a better video card or used and yet at the same time they couldn't get the MB or processor even though both are cheaper COMBINED is ridiculous.It's not 80 dollars to ensure you have a pci-e 4, it's a motherboard and processor. That includes the time that someone may or may not have the skills to replace (at least it'll fit in most power requirements). In some cases, it's an entirely new pc.
Both choices are logical. Just like buying a used gpu. Assuming your gpu is actually slower than this half baked gpu. The pci-e 3 hit is substantial. Enough, that it might put it below whatever budget gpu you already have.
Current processors that support pci-e 4
amd 3xxx
amd 5xxx
intel 12xxx
That's it.
AMD isn't going to get high marks for not delivering these before Christmas. Would have done well then.Happy to report I went to my local Micro Center last night and a whole case of these 6500 XTs appear to just be sitting. Don't see any evidence anyone bought one all day.
Could it not simply be that the market make it possible to release a laptop GPU with minimal work on desktop (and the laptop GPU would have been 100% oem and 100% controlled to never be on pci-express 3.0 device and maybe even on APU cpu has a secondary GPU which would make perfectly sensical to have no encoding/decoding and very low monitor supports and so on) and never in an upgrade scenario ?This was AMDs scummy way of pushing people to upgrade to their new platforms.
Nope, has to intentionally be scummy practices. Couldn't possibly be that this is what $200 looks like in todays GPU market where people are selling years old cards for more than they went new.Could it not simply be that the market make it possible to release a laptop GPU with minimal work on desktop (and the laptop GPU would have been 100% oem and 100% controlled to never be on pci-express 3.0 device) and never in an upgrade scenario ?
As you may know, Steve drum Techspot tested the 5500xt 4 GB running PCIe 3.0 v 4.0 at x4 to get a possible preview of the 6500xt. The tests where both the 5500xt and 6500xt averaged at least 60fps were F1, Doom, RE:8, R6:S, SoTR, AC:V, WatchDogs, Horizon Zero, and FarCry6.
Performance drop for the 6500xt was 25, 52, 15, 26, 28, 9, 8, 26, and 17% respectfully.
For the 5500xt, drops were 5, 53, 2, 25, 25, 14, 30, 18, and 42%
Average 23% for the 6500xt and 24% for the 5500xt 4 GB.
Bottom line, likely, none of the internal bandwidth configurations really matter when the card flat out runs out of vram. The only thing that matters is how fast it can borrow from the system memory.
This was AMDs scummy way of pushing people to upgrade to their new platforms.
I am not sure which post I misunderstand, because to me you seem to be saying the exact thing about the pci-express bandwith issue being the issue ( thing that matters is how fast it can borrow from the system memory).I disagree man, my GTX 960 2GB can run most modern games at the 4GB limit (thanks to swapping at 16x PCIe 3, , plus the uncastrated memory bus!)
The VRAM CAPACITY of that card is a symptom, but what kills it is because they castrated the rest of the card first! Doubling the amount of VRAM in a GT 1030 wouldn't make a difference if it's already running DDR4! Fix bandwidth problems first, and then you can finagle your way through a set of custom settings!
Nope, has to intentionally be scummy practices. Couldn't possibly be that this is what $200 looks like in todays GPU market where people are selling years old cards for more than they went new.
Be that as it may, how would that stop AMD from making a new frofitable product with descent performance this driving the prices of those older cards down?Nope, has to intentionally be scummy practices. Couldn't possibly be that this is what $200 looks like in todays GPU market where people are selling years old cards for more than they went new.
You could all be right, but how much are you confident that will have been simple to that change that already made mobile GPU to use the pci-express and add encoding to it ?Be that as it may, how would that stop AMD from making a new frofitable product with descent performance this driving the prices of those older cards down?
Simply using pci-e x8 or x16 with video encoding would have done that easily
I knew I wasn't touching this card as soon as it was reported that it was castrated to be 4x pcie and no AV1 decode. Some decided to defend AMD because recently they have been championed as some kind of savior when they are just another business. My money goes to the best products at the best price, logo be damned.I say we should take a stand and boycott AMD then.
Lol, I've been against buying any video cards these past couple of years. Many others, however, have not and now we get stuff like this.I say we should take a stand and boycott AMD then.
Yeah I really don't understand the fanboying for a giant corporate entity. AMD is no champion of the consumer. They brought competition back in the CPU performance space (raised prices with Zen 3 when they did so) and in raster performance on GPUs, but that doesn't mean they aren't going to test the waters for how scummy they can get in anti-consumer behavior just like Nvidia our Intel when they do it.Some decided to defend AMD because recently they have been championed as some kind of savior when they are just another business. My money goes to the best products at the best price, logo be damned.
The sarcasm is cute, but upon release of the 6500xt, everyone here is criticizing the product and NOT the brand. Some just have it in their head that we are attacking their corporate daddy.I say we should take a stand and boycott AMD then.
I'm not being sarcastic. I'm never buying another AMD product again in my life.The sarcasm is cute, but upon release of the 6500xt, everyone here is criticizing the product and NOT the brand. Some just have it in their head that we are attacking their corporate daddy.
"Accuse the other side of which you are guilty"
-Saul Alinsky
Ah ok read that wrong. That does seem extreme though lolI'm not being sarcastic. I'm never buying another AMD product again in my life.
Because it is. Oh no, they released a card that reflects the current market. Time to swear off every product they make ever. Lol.Ah ok read that wrong. That does seem extreme though lol
AMD chief: "Is Navi 24 ready for launch? Can't wait to see this laptop GPU."An AMD engineer has a response to the enthusiast community: https://www.digitaltrends.com/compu...t-poor-performance-explained-by-amd-employee/
Yeah and it doesn't make it acceptable. AMD tried to kill 2 birds with 1 stone thus screwing over the already struggling budget desktop gaming scene.An AMD engineer has a response to the enthusiast community: https://www.digitaltrends.com/compu...t-poor-performance-explained-by-amd-employee/
lol. it looks as cheap as it performs. the pcb looks like entry level from 2016...darn it, you beat me to it
Would have been relavent for you to include the price they were sitting there with.Happy to report I went to my local Micro Center last night and a whole case of these 6500 XTs appear to just be sitting. Don't see any evidence anyone bought one all day.