Tesla Autopilot Experiencing Issues Now?

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  1. DooKey

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    An Apple engineer was recently killed in an auto crash and his family is blaming it on the autopilot in his new Tesla Model X. The engineer was killed when his car crashed into a barrier in California and according to his family he had complained to the dealer that his car had previously veered towards that barrier several times. The NTSB has the information and is investigating. Tesla responded to the report and said they have no record of any autopilot complaints. However, whether the reports are true or not it's important that this be investigated thoroughly to determine whether these autopilots have some inherent weaknesses that haven't been discovered yet.

    The NTSB confirmed it has been acting on the information Huang’s brother stated but could not comment further on the matter. Huang got a job at Apple only last November and went out and purchased the Model X in celebration of landing the gig.
     
  2. Gweenz

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    The car just had a thing for that barrier I guess.
     
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    Early adopters get to experience the bugs in the system? I am curious what the miles driven to accident ratio is up to with all of the Tesla auto-piloting vehicles out there now...
     
  4. DocNo

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    "...he had complained to the dealer that his car had previously veered towards that barrier several times."

    And he continued to use it?!?

    Seriously?

    To quote Darth Vadar "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed"
     
  5. Travolta

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    So if his car previously veered into that barrier while using autopilot, maybe he should have stopped using autopilot perhaps. Engineers.
     
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  6. thejokker

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    How can anyone with any experience with computers trust a computer controlled car? Did this guy never experience his computer crashing and re-booting? When he previously experienced his car veering erratically was that not a warning sign? Maybe as an Apple engineer, and presumably a progressive, he was morally obligated to support and trust self-driving cars as the answer to the problems of the human race? Or maybe Darwin was right about some things...
     
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    Telsa to Apple employee, "it's a feature".......

    I'm just waiting til we have a UFO in orbit hacking machines to kill us all.
     
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  8. Verge

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    No he worked at Apple
     
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    Sounds like a Darwin award winner.
     
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    These people fall into the "not good with computers" category. If they were like us and worked with this stuff every day and knew how unreliable hardware is and how buggy software is and how difficult it is to "integrate" all this shit to do even the most simple tasks they would have as much faith as we do. They don't realize the only reason any of this works at all is because people like you and me beat our heads against it until it works. Literally, sometimes.
     
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    so was he just.. driving it wrong ??

    ;>)
     
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    See, robots are going to kill us all.
     
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    Fixed.
     
  14. thejokker

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    So you are saying as a Apple users he didn't know enough about computers to realize it crashed?
     
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    I’m guessing this is more along the Apple tag line of, “It just works” so he may not have realized that computers can crash.
     
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  16. Verge

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    apple doesn't crash bro
     
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    This, this, and this again.

    I've peen pessimistic about self-driving cars from the beginning. I know all the problems the software and sensors are going to run into, and it's simply never going to be possible to address every possible problem that users will run into (no pun intended).
     
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    It only panics! ;)
     
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    Where are all the people from all the previous "self driving" car threads talking about how much safer they are? :p

    This once again proves my theory that not only do Germans love David Hasselhoff, but that I shouldn't give up my steering wheel and stick shift until none of them exist anymore and I can't get a car with them.
     
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    Is there any actual evidence this was related to the autopilot?

    Tesla denies having any record of the owner bringing the vehicle in for anything related to the autopilot feature:
    Between the lack of evidence and the fact that he apparently continued to use the autopilot despite having to intervene to avoid getting plowed into a wall every commute... I'm skeptical.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken they are able to bring up incredible accurate timelines of all activity in the vehicle. After an accident like this, once the disk is recovered, they can recreate the information in their logs and verify exactly what happened to a very precise degree. They would also be able to review past data potentially to see if there were circumstances at that gps location that were anomalies.

    Let's not kid ourselves here though. If you are relying on a pioneering technology, which requires YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to intervene if there is anything the car/ai doesn't respond properly to, if you're reading a book, or f'ing off on your phone, it's not going to end well. In the state that I live in, Distracted drivers account for more deaths a year on the road than Drunken drivers. When the cellphone law came into effect the numbers got closer, but distracted drivers still have the majority of the pie. If you are being taught by your vehicle that it's okay to be distracted, your ability to intervene in crucial life and death situations at speed is marginalized greatly. We've already seen this first hand with the Arizona accident.
     
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    Sorry to hear he lost his life but if the car consistently veered toward the barrier, why continue to trust the autopilot system?
     
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    I'm sorry; I misspoke. I believe the correct word is absturz...
     
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    It's just a symptom of those early growing pains in Skynet, nothing to worry about.
     
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    They should focus on making the Model 3 profitable before fooling around with this.
     
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    They're teaching themselves the most effective ways to kill us. Each time they crash a car, they monitor points of impact to the human body, and relative time to deceased status.
     
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    As a machinist, I work with engineers a lot. Doesn’t matter if they are Apple engineers or not, lots of them just don’t get stuff right from the start. Sorry if that hurts your feelings, but it’s the truth.
     
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    As much as I dislike Musk (and by extension telsa) I'd blame this one on the engineer. As a great man once said: Fool me once, shame on... shame on me. Fool me... you can't get fooled again.
     
  30. sfsuphysics

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    Yeah....
    Fuck it, maybe 11th time is the charm!
     
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    Wait, this is the X that hit the barrier at speed, where the barriers crash attenuation structure had already been crushed by an earlier crash? IE: the one from last week? They might want to chat with the CA DOT first.

    We don't know if he was running with AP engaged. It'll take forensic data recovery to maybe pull the logs from the vehicle. It was torched pretty bad when the battery pack cooked off (well after the driver was removed from the wreck).

    My experience with auto-pilot: on the freeway with marked lanes and no exit gaps it will lock the lane center reliably. It can have issues with off-ramps. But, it requires supervision. It's a tool that tech dorks insist on abusing and then act shocked when the tool, employed in a manner proscribed in the docs, bites them.

    My bet: this is just another case of people wanting to blame the machine for their own negligence.
     
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    Auto kamikaze pilot
     
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    Too bad he died because he didn’t learn anything.
     
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    Wanted to emphasize that as well.
     
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    I’m sorry, but if you are stupid enough to let this car drive itself when you KNOW for a fact that it has an issue with that particular section of your journey, then you get what you deserve.

    Shame idiots like this spoil things for everyone else who have to clear up his mess, both the 1st responders and the autonomous car industry.
     
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    Definition of a Darwin award candidate, really.
     
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    On a related news, Tesla is estimated to go under in 4 months.
     
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    It won't be too long before self driving car manufacturers start looking for guidance strips to be installed in the roads. Anyone whowknows a thing about computer science knows you minimize the variables, and roads are anything but predictable.
     
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    It’s why auto driving is a pipe dream for now. I think Cadillac uses a very accurate gps map.