Temps way too high on E4400

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matt00926

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I just got a new E4400 thats running in a new Gigabyte P965 DS3 v 3.3 (tried both latest bios and one before that).

I am using the retail HSF, which I must say has been a pain in the butt to install. I cut myself and had to use brute strength to get this thing installed. I've tried it installing it 3 different times, having used at first the stock intel grease solution, then AS5 (applied via directs on artic silver website). I know the paste was fine because when i took HSF it was nicely spread on the core.

Problem is i don't think all four push pin things snap down enough. I tried doing opposite ends at once ,etc but I could just never get it. Needless to say im always idling at like 50*c which is rediculous. And if i run orthos it climbs up to 70*c in a matter of seconds. I used TAT, CoreTemp, Speedfan, AND BIOS. All the temps are very close in range so i think they are accurate.

Are there any decent non huge heatsinks for C2D that don't use this stupid push pin plastic design? I am used to using my zalman 9700 which is the easiest thing to install on earth. I dont want anything that big anymore though.

Case is an antec sonata with 2 120mm fans and air is moving fine out the exhaust and the cpu fan isn't set on auto its on full.


anyone else had bad luck with the stock intel c2d hsf? any tips?



edit:

Both TAT and CoreTemp give around 50*c idle
Everest gives 45*c
Speedfan for core 0 and 1 gives about 36*c idle.
 
I reseated my Zalman 9700 3 times, and all three times there were no significant different in temperature. So, i came up with a conclusion:

1. MB reads temps incorrectly
2. Bad HSF

I gave up. Now, its indling at ~47C, and under load ~60C. When was so hot, it was idling at 54C.. Who cares about that, you can't even get those Orthos load temps in games or anywhere.
 
To be accurate, download Cotemp .95 and set the options to show DELTA TO TMAX, that is accurate and TMax is the temp at which you wold start thrttling, as long as you are 10c or more away from TMax and stable, no worries, my E6400 running at 3200mhz sits about 29c from Tmax, but I have pretty decent case venting.
 
If Tmax is 100C you have to deduct 20C from it as it throttles at 80C?

My E4300 idles at 50C too, but it doss not bother me as it doesn not crash even if I run it full load for hours at 70C.
 
I selected the option Show delta to tjunction temp

it now says

tjunction: 100*c
Core 0: 53*c to tjunction remaning
core 1: 51*c to tjunction remaining

so it wont start throttling until it gets 50*c more hotter? I wonder if my temp sensor is just messed up


above poster: if throttle is at 83*c, is it saying my cpu temp is at like 30*c or below?
 
matt00926 said:
I just got a new E4400 thats running in a new Gigabyte P965 DS3 v 3.3 (tried both latest bios and one before that).

I am using the retail HSF, which I must say has been a pain in the butt to install. I cut myself and had to use brute strength to get this thing installed. I've tried it installing it 3 different times, having used at first the stock intel grease solution, then AS5 (applied via directs on artic silver website). I know the paste was fine because when i took HSF it was nicely spread on the core.

Problem is i don't think all four push pin things snap down enough. I tried doing opposite ends at once ,etc but I could just never get it. Needless to say im always idling at like 50*c which is rediculous. And if i run orthos it climbs up to 70*c in a matter of seconds. I used TAT, CoreTemp, Speedfan, AND BIOS. All the temps are very close in range so i think they are accurate.

Are there any decent non huge heatsinks for C2D that don't use this stupid push pin plastic design? I am used to using my zalman 9700 which is the easiest thing to install on earth. I dont want anything that big anymore though.

Case is an antec sonata with 2 120mm fans and air is moving fine out the exhaust and the cpu fan isn't set on auto its on full.


anyone else had bad luck with the stock intel c2d hsf? any tips?



edit:

Both TAT and CoreTemp give around 50*c idle
Everest gives 45*c
Speedfan for core 0 and 1 gives about 36*c idle.
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hmz said:
I reseated my Zalman 9700 3 times, and all three times there were no significant different in temperature. So, i came up with a conclusion:

1. MB reads temps incorrectly
2. Bad HSF

I gave up. Now, its indling at ~47C, and under load ~60C. When was so hot, it was idling at 54C.. Who cares about that, you can't even get those Orthos load temps in games or anywhere.
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I have used a DS3 v3.3 and a S3 v1.0 for quite a while now. I have found that the boards tend to report lower than normal temperatures.

You either have too much AS5 applied or your heatsink is not locked down properly. Remember to lie the motherboard on a flat surface. Try one pin at a time in a crossing order.

The install lever holding the Zalman heatsink in place is starting to flatten out. You won't get the same CPU contact as you would on the first install. Thus, the higher temperatures. Either replace the 9700 or try to bend (curve) the lever back to it's original state.

As big a pain as the 4 push pin heatsinks are to install, they are actually the best method for securing the heatsink in place. That said, I would like to see Intel go back to their old socket 478 type brackets.
 
"Problem is i don't think all four push pin things snap down enough. I tried doing opposite ends at once ,etc but I could just never get it"

I remember when I had to send back my motherboard, resiting the cooler when it was returned, was a nightmare. What I had to do was study, in detail, the 4 clips. Look at how they work before inserting.

Of importance was which direction to put them in and then when in to rotate, and also to ensure that they are being inserted with legs fully extended (I had to pull them apart with appliers)

The cooler and processor should be one solid unit when challenged with force.

I think this is the issue with you, and not temp monitors.

Good luck!
 
Actually I dont think you have an issue, speedfan is correct with an idle of 35C TAT and coretemp depending on version used are incorrectly establishing your Tjunction at 100C it is really about 85C so TAT and coretemp readings are 15C high. There are many many old posts on this. Here is one that tell you how to exactly read your cpus data register so you know precisely what temp the cpu is reporting and explains the temp differences between the different programs.


http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1031080147#post1031080147 (see Unclewebbs method)

OK

1) no rotate, that is to REMOVE the HS. Just make sure the pins are in the proper position for insertion. There are instructions, careful reading is required as they are not crystal clear.

2) It is difficult (read almost impossible and dangerous to the board) to install it properly with the board in the case. take it out and lay it on a folded towel. I think that will solve your issue. Board flex will not allow the pins to engage properly or evenly when the board is on standoffs in the case. This is a common problem.

3) Once you have it on a flat semi-hard surface where you can really exert some pressure, use the thumb over thumb method and push like hell till you hear it click. go in an X pattern.

4) when done, flip the board over and you should see the center black expansion pin on all four pins extended about the same on all pins. You can tell if done properly, it will be obvious if right and obvious if one or two are not fully seated.

5) flip it back over and give them another good push (till your bottom thumb hurts) again.

6) That will do for the heatsink, you might have other issues. /shrug.
 
matt00926 said:
I selected the option Show delta to tjunction temp

it now says

tjunction: 100*c
Core 0: 53*c to tjunction remaning
core 1: 51*c to tjunction remaining

so it wont start throttling until it gets 50*c more hotter? I wonder if my temp sensor is just messed up


above poster: if throttle is at 83*c, is it saying my cpu temp is at like 30*c or below?
Click to expand...

The temp curve changes as the actual temp increases or decreases and that is why the temps seem wrong alot of the time. At lower temps the variance is much worse, or vice versa. Forget about what actual temp the core is at, use the REMAINING temp to Tmax as your guide. That is your REAL temp that matters. It does not matter if the Tmax is reported as 85c and you are at 50c, or if the Tmax is shown to be 100c and you are at 65c, the DELTA between either is still 35c.
 
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