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Sugo case owners, post your HSF setup

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Freezebyte

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Hello, im in the process of finalizing the parts for my gaming SFF and though I was pretty much set on just using the stock intel cooler, I thought I could probably get something a bit nicer that would cool the CPU better for a bit less noise, but its really hard to tell exactly what will fit under the PSU and mobo as far as spacing is concerned without some visual aids.

Could peeps with their Sugo SG01/SG02 setups post pics of the their current HSF being used so I can get an idea of what I can fit under there? Please also post your pluses and minuses of your current cooler, if any. Also please tell us any tips or tricks or mods your doing to keep your Sugo setup running cool all around. Thanks!

*Note, this post request does not apply go SG03/SG04 owners as the case designs are entirely different*
 
The heatsink is crooked but that's just the way it shipped. I didn't force anything and it's not touching the power supply. I think temperature hovers around 52C

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The height of the NT-06 Evolution is 82mm vs 78mm for the NT-06 Lite. I used the CNPS 8700NT for my friends build and had no issues with it. I would say anything under 82mm in height is going to be fine, but you might want to use 78mm just to be safe.
 
Dang, thats a tight fit. Does that PSU have a 120mm sucking or blowing air past the HSF? If its sucking, no wonder the temps arn't too great. I"m glad im going full SATA with this setup, IDE needed to die at last for me, enough cable nightmares.

I noticed in the manual with the Sugo silverstone makes this attachment blower cooler for the back end of the case. Curious to see how well it works but not many supplierers carry it and God knows how loud or effective it is.

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=fx121&area=usa

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I used to have an SG01 and I had a Zalman 8700 NT. It didn't work all that well, although I am not sure if that's the SG01's fault or the Zalman's fault. By the way, the Zalman will fit with the crossflow fan if you take the grill off of the crossflow fan, in case you were wondering. It's not that loud, and pushes a decent amount of air, but I didn't notice that much of a drop in temps. Maybe 1 or 2 degrees.

Also the SG03 has the same clearance under the power supply as the SG01.

And from my experience with the SG03, Parker, if you reverse the direction of the NT06, it will be centered under the PSU better.
 
mrmylanman said:
And from my experience with the SG03, Parker, if you reverse the direction of the NT06, it will be centered under the PSU better.
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I initially tried installing it the other way and it bumped the back of the case just enough that it would not fit. Could be my mobo design.
 
Parker said:
I initially tried installing it the other way and it bumped the back of the case just enough that it would not fit. Could be my mobo design.
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That could be. With mine it is actually 90* from yours, however that'd stick out of the side of the case I think on the SG01
 
Now I'm on my home pc. Core temps are 41 & 47 for dual core processor.
 
That Silverstone crossflow fan is supposedly loud and not very affective. Back when the SG03 first came out there was discussions here about it and the collective thought was it wasnt worth getting. I never tried one myself so I cant confirm that. Its not a popular component discussed so that may be some confirmation.

As far as the NT06-Lite goes you should do two things to increase cooling performance. Turn the psu so the fan is sucking air up into the psu and out the back. Mod a fan under the NT06-Lite cooling fins so that it is blowing upward through the fins. The fan can be easily attached using thin wire, twisty ties, paper clips, or what have you. Someone has a pic of the mod around here somewhere. I forget which thread its buried under though.
 
SG-01 Evo, SG02-F owner here.
Strong suggestion if you want quiet in this case:
1) Get a PSU with 80-mm fans.
OR
2) Get a heatsink with no fan, or a user-replaceable one so you can flip it.

I had a couple of Zalman's (7000, 7500, I think) and a TT Golden Orb II, both silenced with resistors, under my Ultra X3 1000W- also silent. Together, any setup was really loud because of the turbulence between the PSU and the HSF. Dropped in an Antec NeoHE 550W and all was silent again.

Now using a Thermolab Nano Silencer, just might go back to the Ultra since the Nano is so low. :)
 
I had the same setup as Parker with the NT-06, but have moved onto water now, it's not overclock friendly.
 
mavalpha said:
SG-01 Evo, SG02-F owner here.
Strong suggestion if you want quiet in this case:
1) Get a PSU with 80-mm fans.
OR
2) Get a heatsink with no fan, or a user-replaceable one so you can flip it.

I had a couple of Zalman's (7000, 7500, I think) and a TT Golden Orb II, both silenced with resistors, under my Ultra X3 1000W- also silent. Together, any setup was really loud because of the turbulence between the PSU and the HSF. Dropped in an Antec NeoHE 550W and all was silent again.

Now using a Thermolab Nano Silencer, just might go back to the Ultra since the Nano is so low. :)
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Any pics?
 
I have the same setup on my system as Parker - NT06 Lite - but mine is rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise from that because of my mobo. Mine came crooked too, so I bent it parallel to the mobo. PSU fan sucks up and has been fine cooling-wise. I even ran an E4300 OC'd to 3.2ghz with it for 6 months.

I've built 11 SG-01's for the my office too, but they all use stock Intel coolers.
 
I quote my self from another thred:

Hello!
I'm new to this forum, please forget my spelling/english.

As I see it, the best oppitons for CPU-cooling in this case is:
* NT06-E, or the "old" one, NT06-lite with 3 heat pipes, and turn the PSU to such through the NT06.
* Zalman 8700NT and turn the PSU to such fresh air from the outside.

I have like the first oppition, and it give me a load temp around 70 degrees C with a clock ~3Ghz (425x7).

My PSU, Seasonic S12-II, is a very quite one, but the fan ramp up with the heat so I can hear it if I listen carefully.
BUT, 70 degrees load, the hotest core, is OK in my world, an the hole system is very quiet.

Here's a picture so you can see that the size of the NT-06 is the absolut max!


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I just transplanted my Lanbox rig into an SG02 last night, the Zalman 7000B is boring but it works.

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I've used a thermaltake blue orb 2, you get about 1cm of clearance, worked ok though. Now switched to watercooling for overclocking.
 
For my system I have the Sugo SG01 Evolution with an Asus P5KPL-VM motherboard installed and an Intel C2D 6750 running it and a Corsiar VX-450 above it. I thought about the cooling of it for a while and looked at many different options including Silverstone fanless one which i like. But I like my solution just a bit better.

I took my old reliable Thermalright XP-120, purchased the socked 775 retention bracket for it and mounted it on the cpu + mobo. Then I purchased Scythe's Shuriken Heastsink and fan combo. Now I know what you are thinking why didn't I just use that HSF combo....becasue the XP-120 is much bigger, cools better and what the heck, it fits. Plus I like to tinker anyways.

I took the fan off the Shuriken which is very slim, 100mm x 100mm x 12mm, mounted it upside on the XP-120 so it sucks the air up and straight into the PSU's 120mm fan and straight out the back. Even on full load, my cpu has never broken 37C yet.
 
Here is a silly question, and I don't mean to try to hijack or anything, I just don't think this is worth a whole new thread. But anyways, I have been looking at the SG01 on Newegg, and it's something like $120. Now, Newegg doesn't carry the SG02, but I found it on some other sites for around $70. Is there a big difference between the two? I noticed the SG02 has less front USB slots, but other than that they seem pretty similar.
 
I have the SG02 and will post pics tonight or tomorrow.
I am using the Zalman CNPS 8700, and so far I have been very happy. Given mine is an HTPC, thus the measly E6300 cpu, this cooler is just right. I put the fan speed all the way down, and I am running just about 48degrees idle, 52 load.
 
smaug8821 said:
Here is a silly question, and I don't mean to try to hijack or anything, I just don't think this is worth a whole new thread. But anyways, I have been looking at the SG01 on Newegg, and it's something like $120. Now, Newegg doesn't carry the SG02, but I found it on some other sites for around $70. Is there a big difference between the two? I noticed the SG02 has less front USB slots, but other than that they seem pretty similar.
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Other then the different front design with the flip cover and two less USB ports, its the exact same as the SG01. The cost decrease mostly comes from the face design is made of plastic rather then aluminum on the SG01-F's. The more expensive SG01-Es are all aluminum, the cheaper SG01-F's are made of steel with aluminum front face. Their are also the aluminum models that have the plastic windows.

Aluminum SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163050

Steel/aluminum SG01-F *mine*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163116


Black Aluminum window SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163078

Silver Aluminum window SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163079

Uh, and newegg does carry the SG02's

Black SG02-F
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163112

White SG02-F
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163113
 
Freezebyte said:
Other then the different front design with the flip cover and two less USB ports, its the exact same as the SG01. The cost decrease mostly comes from the face design is made of plastic rather then aluminum on the SG01-F's. The more expensive SG01-Es are all aluminum, the cheaper SG01-F's are made of steel with aluminum front face. Their are also the aluminum models that have the plastic windows.

Aluminum SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163050

Steel/aluminum SG01-F *mine*
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163116


Black Aluminum window SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163078

Silver Aluminum window SG01-E
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163079

Uh, and newegg does carry the SG02's

Black SG02-F
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163112

White SG02-F
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163113
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Oh wow, excellent, thank you. I'll probably end up going with something that isn't completely plastic, as I'm planning doing some traveling with this machine.

I searched SG02 on Newegg and nothing came up. Very strange. But thank you for pasting those links, that helps out a lot.
 
I noticed that with Newegg, Silverstone's model numbers are entered weird. I can't find much of anything unless I browse by vendor.
 
Modred189 said:
I have the SG02 and will post pics tonight or tomorrow.
I am using the Zalman CNPS 8700, and so far I have been very happy. Given mine is an HTPC, thus the measly E6300 cpu, this cooler is just right. I put the fan speed all the way down, and I am running just about 48degrees idle, 52 load.
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Pics?
 
Zalmans are complete trash. 8700 is effing loud above 1.4k rpm and doesn't stop there. Would not ever recommend. Days of Zalman are over - they're like Motorola, eating off their past obsolete designs.
 
I use an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 LP in my SUGO-02, plenty of clearance between the PSU and the HSF and everything runs cool and quiet. Granted, I never do anything more intensive than surft the net on that rig (Web in my sig) but that's another option...
 
lowteckh said:
Zalmans are complete trash. 8700 is effing loud above 1.4k rpm and doesn't stop there. Would not ever recommend. Days of Zalman are over - they're like Motorola, eating off their past obsolete designs.
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I agree I was pretty unhappy with mine. Installation was a bitch too.
 
elleana said:
I use an Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 LP in my SUGO-02, plenty of clearance between the PSU and the HSF and everything runs cool and quiet. Granted, I never do anything more intensive than surft the net on that rig (Web in my sig) but that's another option...
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What are the temps like with the AC Freezer 7 LP? I really think the NT 06 lite is expensive and I saw the AC as being cheaper. Is it a hell of a lot quieter?
 
I have to disagree. Zalman coolers can be pretty decent, you just have to be aware of what you are getting into.
For a SFF case my 8700 has been very good. I have had only two issues:

1- The installation was fine up until I realized that the bracket that went across the cooler to clamp it down onto the mounting spots was slightly bent. a few bends with some pliers and we were good to go.
2- Plugging the cooler's fan straight into my mobo, an Intel DG33TL, the fan ran at 100%, no matter what I did with the BIOS. I think this is probably due to the board, not the fan. Using the Zalman fan controller thingy, I just set it at minimum and have been fine.

The benefits of this cooler outweigh the small issues I had.
First, it's short. Since my psu pulls air from inside the case and shoots it out, keeping the cpu fan as far away from the PSU as possible helps airflow.
Second, with the zalman control at it's lowest, it's darn near silent.
Finally, it keeps the cpu rather cool, never higher than ~50 degrees.

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The copper block above the cpu cooler is actually the back of the passive HS on the 3450.
 
Like all companies Zalman has some good models and some not so good models. I really like their 9500 model for example. Their 9700 cools well but it is noisier than the 9500. Thats its only real drawback. I havent heard anything bad about the 8700 really. Its pretty popular amongst the SFF crowd although its not as good as the bigger hsf as far as cooling goes but thats a common problem SFF enthusiast are often having to deal with. If you can mod a fan under the NT06-lite in your case I'd say go with that set up. I know the SG03 allows for it. Not sure about the SG01 & SG02 series.
 
8700 cools well, I have a NT but it is loud at higher rms.4 pin mobo controller means its constantly winding up and down which adds to the annoying noise. For a company that advertises "silent" cooling, that's totally bs and unacceptable. Installation was pretty painless on a AM2 board, dunno about Intel. @Modred, you should consider flipping the PSU if possible - my 8700 cooled much better without competition w/ the PSU on the lanbox.
 
lowteckh said:
8700 cools well, I have a NT but it is loud at higher rms.4 pin mobo controller means its constantly winding up and down which adds to the annoying noise. For a company that advertises "silent" cooling, that's totally bs and unacceptable. Installation was pretty painless on a AM2 board, dunno about Intel. @Modred, you should consider flipping the PSU if possible - my 8700 cooled much better without competition w/ the PSU on the lanbox.
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You mean flip the fan?
 
I realize that, but you said flip the PSU. if you flip the unit, it won't get ANY air. If you flip the PSU fan, it will blow HOT air onto the cpu....
 
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