Struggling to decide - 2070S vs 5700XT?

EvilViking said:
If you have a monitor with gsync or plan to, go with the 2070S.

I was in the same debacle. I decided I'm going to get a freesync monitor and the cheaper 5700xt instead of the 2070S
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it no longer matters as nvidia GPUs support freesync so saving on monitor is going in both directions.
 
NKD said:
it no longer matters as nvidia GPUs support freesync so saving on monitor is going in both directions.
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Generally true, but not all FreeSync monitors will work equally or at all with Nvidia. It seems that FreeSync with AMD is a safer option in some cases.

Of course, at this point, you can do some research to make sure the monitor works with both brands but that is something to consider.
 
123Lanoix said:
I'm wondering if i can overclock this Gigabyte 2070 Super to perform in between a 2080 & 2080 Super ? or possible get to 2080 super speeds? Then i think it be worth the $100 or so price premium.
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I am fairly close to stock 2080s performance with one of my computers with 2070s founders edition. It OCs and keeps in the 2000+ range on GPU and 1000 on memory. Running some benches I actually was right up there with some review numbers. Now I am sure its still slower overall but it certainly beats the 2080. Nvidia just handicapped the 2080s to not get too close to 2080ti it seems.
 
NKD said:
I am fairly close to stock 2080s performance with one of my computers with 2070s founders edition. It OCs and keeps in the 2000+ range on GPU and 1000 on memory. Running some benches I actually was right up there with some review numbers. Now I am sure its still slower overall but it certainly beats the 2080. Nvidia just handicapped the 2080s to not get too close to 2080ti it seems.
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the must have severely handicapped the 2080S from reaching the 2080 Ti performance in 1440P/4k
 
NKD said:
I am fairly close to stock 2080s performance with one of my computers with 2070s founders edition. It OCs and keeps in the 2000+ range on GPU and 1000 on memory. Running some benches I actually was right up there with some review numbers. Now I am sure its still slower overall but it certainly beats the 2080. Nvidia just handicapped the 2080s to not get too close to 2080ti it seems.
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It wouldn't be exaggerating to also point out that stock 2080 performance isnt too far off from stock 2080S performance. It's about 4-5% difference. Getting near stock 2080S performance *is* stock 2080 performance.
 
jbc029 said:
It wouldn't be exaggerating to also point out that stock 2080 performance isnt too far off from stock 2080S performance. It's about 4-5% difference. Getting near stock 2080S performance *is* stock 2080 performance.
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Yea lol. That is the thing. If you can OC and get it to 2080 its already within margin of error of 2080s. It really does show how having more and more shaders seems to give diminishing returns when we look at overall picture.
 
NKD said:
it no longer matters as nvidia GPUs support freesync so saving on monitor is going in both directions.
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This really needs to stop being said as if it works fine on any freesync monitor. I have used 4 freesync monitors and not a single one would actully work with gsync. Sure I can select it but it does not actually do anything. Even some very popular freesync monitors do not work at all with gsync. And plenty of monitors have issues even if you do get it to work.
 
Yeah, misterbobby I mentioned the same thing.

I have 2 FreeSync monitors and a FreeSync Samsung TV.

The TV obviously doesn't work with Nvidia because they don't support HDMI (should be said, though, because AMD is the only ticket in town for this).

And of the 2 FreeSync monitors I have, both "work" with Nvidia but not as well as with AMD.

It is hard to explain, I think the range is smaller or something because I can definitely feel it's smoother on AMD.

For example, I was running a GTX 1660 Ti and I would say it worked well above around 50fps, while on the 5700 XT it feels smooth down to almost 30fps.

It is nice that Nvidia is supporting FreeSync now, but it is not close to 100% so I'd still recommend AMD + FreeSync if you are buying everything new.
 
misterbobby said:
This really needs to stop being said as if it works fine on any freesync monitor. I have used 4 freesync monitors and not a single one would actully work with gsync. Sure I can select it but it does not actually do anything. Even some very popular freesync monitors do not work at all with gsync. And plenty of monitors have issues even if you do get it to work.
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That's the manufacturers fault for putting in shit scalers. I have a Freesync 2 display that works great with my Titan X Pascal.
 
misterbobby said:
This really needs to stop being said as if it works fine on any freesync monitor. I have used 4 freesync monitors and not a single one would actully work with gsync. Sure I can select it but it does not actually do anything. Even some very popular freesync monitors do not work at all with gsync. And plenty of monitors have issues even if you do get it to work.
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well if you are getting a shit monitor it’s the users fault. No one is saying grab any freesync monitor. Grab one with good freesyn range. Otherwise one is asking for issues.
 
Anyone..?
All I keep hearing is jokes, with few offering a case, where the 5700xt isn't the clear choice.

1080P..?
1440p..?


Give a use-case (rig upgrade) where spending $100 bucks more... is better..? Specially if you are building a new rig. Why taint your new PCIe4.0 x570 bus, with nvidia's trash..? Or sp[end the extra $100 for 5% (averaged) in games, when you know for a fact that in 2 years (or less) you might be upgrading again. The 5700 Series is going to have way more resale value than anything broken by RTX.

RDNA and the 5700 Series is only going to get faster... because driver's and Developers are going to mature around AMD's new RDNA architecture. The 5700 is just the start. We have the 5600 Series coming, and the 5800 Series and then the 5900 series. Do you really think Microsoft (see xbox), or Sony don't have drivers ready for the back-development of RDNA..? Did those Developer's walk up on stage and shake Dr Su's hand and mention how RDNA wet their development & creative talents and put a renewed interest in game development... because they were dropping support for RDNA..?



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NKD said:
well if you are getting a shit monitor it’s the users fault. No one is saying grab any freesync monitor. Grab one with good freesyn range. Otherwise one is asking for issues.
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What kind of ridiculous reply is that? Please get through your head that there are plenty of well known and popular freesync monitors that either do not support freesync at all or have issues. Many people already had these monitors even before Nvidia started supporting freesync. At the same time there are some random little known monitors that do support it well. But hey if you have nothing halfway useful to add then I guess it makes sense to blame the user. :rolleyes:
 
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Stoly said:
That's an easy one. You want to try RTX and get some extra oomph, go with the RTX2070S
Want to save a few bucks and don't care about RT, go 5700XT

BTW 2070S generally runs cooler and more silent than 5700XT, so I don't think you really need watercooling.
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The older I get the more important silence is for me.
 
Didnt read the other responses but a 2070s starting at $550 and some going for over 600 is just a bad purchase in my eyes. If money is no object then get a titan, otherwise the 2070 is the worst buy in the stack of overpriced cards. The 2070s is the superior card but not by much. A 2070s at around 425 to 450 would be the better buy. Looking at benchmarks and reviews you will get a similar real world experience from both. The 2070s IS better though. If buying the 5700xt get a partner card with a twin fan solution, the reference card runs hot.

Forgot to answer the OP. All in all I would purchase(and did) the 5700 xt. It is a more interesting buy at this time.
 
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Smoked Brisket said:
Didnt read the other responses but a 2070s starting at $550 and some going for over 600 is just a bad purchase in my eyes. If money is no object then get a titan, otherwise the 2070 is the worst buy in the stack of overpriced cards. The 2070s is the superior card but not by much. A 2070s at around 425 to 450 would be the better buy. Looking at benchmarks and reviews you will get a similar real world experience from both. The 2070s IS better though.
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You can buy it from nvidia at $499. But yeah some 3rd party cards are way overpriced. There are already some of RTX2080 at lower prices.
 
I bought a 5700 XT about 2 weeks ago.
I did it because I haven't had a new AMD GPU for 5 years.
This one card replaced two R9 290X cards.
I put an EK block on it too.

It's a nice card. Overclocks to 2100 MHz. Water keeps it running silently and at 40-43 C.

And it runs three monitor Eyefinity with no issues.

I did it for the fun, and it's cooler in the basement where the workbench is.

My goal is to sell it if the BIG Navi is the "nvidia killer" I've heard about.......
 
B&H has a nice 2070 super from Zotac for $499 it be in stock in a couple days according to their site. Looks like it has a nice cooler? That cuts the difference down to about $50 compared to the PowerColor Red Devil 5700 XT which is like $450 or $440? I think the Red Devil card looks cooler though.
 
 
Right now you are better off looking for RTX2080 deals. 3rd party RTX2070S prices are nuts.
 
I just got a 2070s directly from Nvidia. $540 after tax. I went with the reference model because it was the only one I could find in stock at msrp & it'll be getting a waterblock. Hopefully the upgrade from a 980ti will be worth it.
 
Killerxp100 said:
I just got a 2070s directly from Nvidia. $540 after tax. I went with the reference model because it was the only one I could find in stock at msrp & it'll be getting a waterblock. Hopefully the upgrade from a 980ti will be worth it.
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i bought the gigabyte 2070 super beacuse it was literally the only card in stock. I had the gigabyte windforce GTX 1080 and that cooler was mediocre but the Gigabyte 2070 super cooler is much better. So i'm happy with it. There isn't much to choose from right now could change in 2 weeks though.
 
EvilViking said:
If you have a monitor with gsync or plan to, go with the 2070S.

I was in the same debacle. I decided I'm going to get a freesync monitor and the cheaper 5700xt instead of the 2070S
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You don't have to have a Gsync Monitor to run Gsync on a Nvidia graphics card. Any newer model Freesync monitor will work with Gsync compatibility mode. Mine does, wonderfully. Just do your research beforehand.

I guess the question is OP, do you care about Ray Tracing or not?
 
The new super low latency drivers from Nvidia might make the Nvidia cards more appealing than AMD for the time being.
 
Krenum said:
You don't have to have a Gsync Monitor to run Gsync on a Nvidia graphics card. Any newer model Freesync monitor will work with Gsync compatibility mode. Mine does, wonderfully. Just do your research beforehand.

I guess the question is OP, do you care about Ray Tracing or not?
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Not a single one of the four freesync monitors I have tried has worked properly nor have any of the others I was thinking about trying after googling them during the last few months. There are people out there that think just because they can select gysnc that it is working. It may be working for you but it is misleading to claim that pretty much any newer monitor should work.
 
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misterbobby said:
Not a single one of the four freesync monitors I have tried has worked properly nor have any of the others I was thinking about trying after googling them during the last few months. There are people out there that think just because they can select gysnc that it is working. It may be working for you but it is misleading to claim that pretty much any newer monitor should work.
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Did you use the Display Port? You must use the DP in order for it to work. Did you follow instructions on how to set it up correctly?

you also need a 10 or greater series Nvidia card.

There are two steps you need to follow

1. In NV Control panel, select "Manage 3D Settings" under "Monitor Technology" Select G-Sync Compatibility
2. In the display portion of the control panel select "Set up G-Sync" Make sure Enable G-Sync, G-Sync Compatible is selected as well as Enable for Full Screen mode is bubbled.

Under Display Specific settings in the same window make sure you have "Enable Settings for the selected display model" Checked.

Run the G-Sync pendulum demo to confirm.

Both my HP Omen 75hz & LG 32GK650F-B 144hz work flawlessly in Gsync compatibility mode.

Currently using

LG 32GK650F-B
https://www.microcenter.com/product/510553/lg-32gk650f-b-32-quot
 
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Krenum said:
Did you use the Display Port? Did you follow instructions on how to set it up correctly?

Both my HP Omen 75hz & LG 32GK650F-B 144hz work flawlessly in Gsync compatibility mode.
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Yes I know how to set it up as I have used gysnc monitors before and I know it only works with displayport. Most have not worked at all and again some of the others I did some research on did not work either. I am using a monitor right now that forces on overdrive when freesync is enabled and that has some very obvious corona artifacting so even if gsync did work I would not use it.

And right here your claim of it working "flawlessly" on your LG 32GK650F-B 144hz sure does not seem to be panning out for everybody.

 
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For some reason I thought the XT was better than the 2060S, but they look closer than I thought in that review.
 
Maddness said:
I to thought the XT was supposed to be quite a bit faster. Not sure what's going on there.
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Could be a case of the average FPS being better on the XT but the frame times being better on the 2060S
 
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