NeghVar
2[H]4U
- Joined
- May 1, 2003
- Messages
- 2,671
Thanks for the warning. Purchased it on gog.com a few minutes ago. Hopefully the download will no be cut-off
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Or they figured Stardock got fleeced into buying something that was never really for sale, so why should they pay another company to buy back what they never really had in the first place
I've bought games on GOG that were eventually delisted from sale before and still had the downloads, so I don't think you'll have to worry if you just bought it.Thanks for the warning. Purchased it on gog.com a few minutes ago. Hopefully the download will no be cut-off
Hahaha getting a chuckle from the Stardock defenders... "Hey I bought this piece of paper for 400k in a bankruptcy sale that says I own your house but I just realized that what I bought was a piece of paper not your actual house so how about you pay me 400k for this piece of paper that claims to be the deed to your house." that is what happened. BTW I got SC:O shortly after release and while the writing isn't as good as the SC2, I accomplished nothing in my life that weekend and had a blast playing it.
That is how I feel about Star Flight. Star Control II was one of my old school favorites too.Given that I hold Star Control II up as the greatest game of all time, this whole situation just leaves me feeling quite *frumple* indeed.
the issue at stake the reason for all of this is when atari went into bankruptcy brad of stardock did not do any research on what exactly they were selling. all he purchased was the name star control nothing else as all the rights for the Ur-Quan universe belonged to PR/FF per their og agreement with accolade. brad wanted to work with PR/FF they said nope kid... thus is the start of brads campaign to bankrupt his company by acting like a piss baby that cant get what he wants. So he is attempting to legally steal everything PR/FF created not realizing they have skylanders money essentially this is one PR/FF will not lose as brad keeps pissing in the judges face.
Copyright should be a flat 14 years, with an option to extend for another 14 years, as originally conceived. Copyright was not intended to provide a perpetual revenue stream to the creator but simply: 1) Provide an incentive (via temporary exclusivity) to create new works, and 2) A way for the artist/originator to help support themselves while they created new works. The current crap is ridiculous, 70 years (after the death of the author!) or up to 120 years (works for hire!) which is driven primarily by Walt Disney and Mickey Farking Mouse. Toss in some musical performers/writers who haven't had a hit for decades but think they should be paid nonetheless for perpetuity for stale work, while thinking their children/grandchildren (who created nothing) should continue to get checks for decades after the creator dies. They usually don't amount to much in the form of checks, but be damn glad kids can perform classical music (most of the time) without the schools being forced to ante up blackmail.
I'm practically to the point of saying burn the whole dang copyright / patent systems down, it's gotten that ridiculous.
9 monthes ago Leonard French did 40 minutes on the subject.
From my persepctive, this seems like one group of assholes suing another group of assholes and a bunch of arm chair lawyers on the internet thinking they know enough to pick which group of assholes is correct.
Then you have no right to open your mouth if you are too lazy to do your research and put the work in. Good day.
No, you missed an option there. This is yet another data point that shows how ludicrous copyright laws are. Reading the whole lawsuit is unnecessary to reach that conclusion. The whole concept needs to be tossed. There's no saving it, the premise is obsolete. It is like trying to save the horse carriage industry after the invention of the automobile... it is an exercise in futility. More problems are being created in attempts to "fix" flaws.
At least based on the Tweets, Brad seems to have a good understanding that Stardock owns the right to the Star Control name, but not the aliens, storyline, etc from them. Which is why (according to him, I haven't played the game yet) they made sure the game does not contain those elements. Brad continues to claim that Reiche and Ford have yet to even say which elements of SC: O violate their copyright.
From my persepctive, this seems like one group of assholes suing another group of assholes and a bunch of arm chair lawyers on the internet thinking they know enough to pick which group of assholes is correct.
You dont understand how nuts brad is literally he is trying to use the courts and trademark applications to steal everything he does not own in star control 1 & 2 and in the open sourced the Ur-quan masters. then started threatening the open source devs to sign a license with him.
want just how nuts Bradly is look no further than here http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=7182.0
If you get it from gog you can supposedly play offline. I'm not sure if the steam version affords that flexibility.
That's not how it works. People who already got the game doesn't get theirs revoked. There would be hell to pay. There were numerous games that were removed from the steam store over time, but any who had valid keys for them or owned them before can still play it on steam.If you get it from gog you can supposedly play offline. I'm not sure if the steam version affords that flexibility.
Do you have any idea how fucking difficult and expensive it is to innovate and create? Do you think entrepreneurs and artists just pull assets out of their ass from thin air? It takes years, work, money and sacrifice to create new worlds, stories and characters....and then another mountain of work and time to make them profitable.
Well they can take it down all they want it's up on the torrent sites and everyone knows that shit will always be there It's just an average game with a 6/10 score. I mean I torrented it, but I'm just adding to a huge collection of games I don't play. Man I feel out of spite, to post the torrent link to one of those lawyers email and say yeah good luck trying to take this down and post the RARBG link LMAO.
Yeah this is kind of where I stand, and hell 28 years IMO is still too long for a field that evolves as rapidly as computers/programming. The idea of of getting infinite rights to an idea just rubs me the wrong way. So what if you were the first one to come up with the idea of doing a hand gesture in VR (yeah I know different thread) science fiction has had that idea for how long now? Everyone has that idea of doing it, who cares if you were the one to figure how to do it... or I should say the one with the resources to develop a platform to do so, I'm sure any number of programmers could do it, they just have no need to do it, and more importantly no reason to spend the thousands needed to copyright/trademark/patent/whatever the idea.This is why the original system gave you TWENTY EIGHT YEARS. MORE than enough. This extending into perpetuity is nothing more than a gift to giant corporations like Disney - how is continuing to copyright Mickey Mouse benefiting Walt Disney, who's been dead almost as long as I've been alive?
A few fun things to note:
Paul & Fred are the guys behing Skylanders (multi-billion dollar game franchise) -- they definitely aren't hurting for cash (even if most of the proceeds goes to their "parent", Activision). These were the guys who had lootboxes well before it became mainstream. I'm almost certain that they, personally, have a lot more capital than Brad/Stardock does.
From what I gather, P&F were underhanded, and essentially figured on using Stardock's resources to get "free advertising/promotion" -- since P&F felt they had the upper hand with their copyrights (vs. Stardock's trademark rights). They deliberately didn't buy back Stardock's trademark right, b/c they wanted Stardock to promote the game, only to "pull the rug under him" by tossing out a few concept art pieces on the website they tossed together for their "Ghosts of the Precursors" game title (I seriously, seriously doubt much work has been done on that proposed game).The key factor is that they didn't tell Stardock just what rights they did own (or believed they owned) ... and that is HUGE ...
Then, they set up a GoFundMe to crowdfund their lawsuit, implying that they badly needed the cash ... sounds like a pity parade appeal to me.
And now, this DMCA ...
I really don't like how P&F have set up this entire affair -- whatever you might think of Brad/Stardock, they seemed to be trying to act in good faith (and goodwill, even), when they offered the trademark back to P&F, at cost.
What P&F did, in response (well before any "defensive/angry" thoughts appeared in Stardock's head) sounds much like a deliberate set-up ...
I donated to the gofundme because I did my research on what was going on. Brad was WAY out of line. Ford and Paul made mistakes but they were not trying to steal and coerce what wasn't theirs. Brad is just a complete loon. Read up on his past history. He's even a racist.
*Edit* sexual harasser.
This is why the original system gave you TWENTY EIGHT YEARS. MORE than enough. This extending into perpetuity is nothing more than a gift to giant corporations like Disney - how is continuing to copyright Mickey Mouse benefiting Walt Disney, who's been dead almost as long as I've been alive? 14 years, plus an option for another 14, so no one can steal your first creation and you can benefit from it, while working on something else. I think that's more than enough time. The idea is to stimulate creativity by giving the creator some time to not have to worry about their idea being stolen, not to shut down creativity by making it possible to live the rest of your life, and your children's lives, without ever having to create anything ever again. A system that extends protection well past the creator's life - how is that solving anything? The whole system as it exists today is COMPLETELY broken - and there are a lot of creators who agree.
I don't completely agree with your comments regarding Disney, but I understand where you're coming from. Even then, I think Disney has a different situation than most. Very few brands last as long as theirs has, especially since Walt Disney died years ago. So, it's really not fair for every entity to get copyright for a hundred lifetimes just because one entity may actually need it.Nah, I don't agree with this at all. If IP is a continuing source of income, and is properly vetted in reoccuring product, it should be trademarked into perpetuity. Mickey Mouse is the veritable figurehead of the Walt Disney corporation... It's solely attributed to the Walt Disney brand, and any other co-branding derived by legally sound deals between it's parent, and other, companies. It would be an absolute shame were we to get thousands of Mickey Mouse branded, cheese strings, berry flavored tide pods etc. While the mascot is still central to Disney's advertising campaign. Making money off IP that's saturated the common mind, at the literal expense of the IP creator, is a bad thing. Hell, every day at their theme parks, internationally, the Mickey IP is used, ad nauseum.
This portion of the law isn't meant to stifle creativity, no matter how much it may do so, it's in effect to protect viable IP.
Now, whether the two claimants here have any legs to stand on, for an IP that's been almost abandoned for many years, save for some mediocre licencing deals, and third party investments... That's entirely different.
It would be an absolute shame were we to get thousands of Mickey Mouse branded, cheese strings, berry flavored tide pods etc.
You dont understand how nuts brad is literally he is trying to use the courts and trademark applications to steal everything he does not own in star control 1 & 2 and in the open sourced the Ur-quan masters. then started threatening the open source devs to sign a license with him.
want just how nuts Bradly is look no further than here http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=7182.0
I can only assume you are high as a kite right now. It would be a "absolute shame" ??? Give me a break. It wouldn't be worth a passing "meh".
You do understand, I hope, that the entire reason for copywrite laws extending as long as they have is specifically to prevent legally sanctioned parodies of Mickey Mouse, specifically anything "obscene or pornographic".
All to protect a fake f'in mouse. Good to know I can put at least an online face to that kind of lunacy.
Beyond which, the point of copywrite, as others noted, was to benefit the CREATOR. Not some all powerful multi billion dollar corporation a century later.
I got it yesterday too. Good timing. It is no longer available on GoG.Just got the game off gog. Installing as I type this.
if you like star control of old this is the enhanced 3do version that was freed into the opensource community
grab the og game here
http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
and the hd remaster here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/urquanmastershd/
If you guys till think Brad is the white knight and F&P are creeps...suggest you read this carefully.
https://www.dogarandkazon.com/blog/2019/1/2/injunction-junction-court-instruction
Stardock blatantly ripped off the Hyperspace component in SC2 for Origins. They did NOT use what they got from Atari--the Star Control 3 hyperspace travel system.
Brad is going to be bankrupt after this.
Only thing that matters now is how long Ghost of the Precursors will take to come out....backing it as soon as it goes into crowdfunding...