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SSD with Windows XP?

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KapsZ28

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Our company is still running Windows XP, and probably will still be using Windows XP for the next two years. I know you shouldn't defrag a SSD and there is no TRIM support on Windows XP. So what are the cons to using a SSD with Windows XP?

Is it a bad idea? We order Lenovo T410s laptops that come with a Samsung SSD and the performance is definitely better compared to the 7,200 RPM drive. Just wondering if it is going to be an issue down the road and the SSD doesn't last as long.
 
AFAIK, many SSD manufacturers should have tools that lets you manually run garbage collection (basically TRIM). So check on Samsung's site if they have manual garbage collection or TRIM or some sort of optimization tool.
 
Samsung SSD Magician - Good call. I think I will try it out on one of our Lenovos.
 
I am actually still running XP for my desktop/gaming machine (Arch Linux for laptop). Unfortunately will have to upgrade to Win7 for Battlefield 3. Then again with SSDs it's much less of a factor.

Samsung should have everything you need on their website. No cons to XP as far as I know; just getting the drivers and tools sorted out is the only real con.
 
Buckiller said:
Battlefield 3 is forcing me to get over my poorly conceived notion that Windows 7 isn't awesome.

Lots of cons to XP as far as I know; getting the drivers and tools sorted out for new hardware is a real pain in the ass, plus its slower and less stable and doesn't support DX10/11.
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Fixed that for ya. :D
 
Ultima99 said:
Fixed that for ya. :D
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All hw devs afaik still put out drivers for XP. Never been an issue for me. I am a performance kind of guy. Every performance comparo I've seen has XP outperforming 7 in videogames. So how is that slower?

Less stable? I think they are both pretty rock solid... just win7 is bloated. When I do install it eventually, I will be sure to do what I did with XP, create a LITE version (I guess vLite is what folks use for 7?)

There were plenty of apps for XP that made it easier and more powerful to use than even win7. I can list them if you want... would just require me to go boot up my (now rarely used since I've moved) gaming rig.
 
Of course they put out XP drivers, but 7 is just so much more elegant. It does a damn good job of getting drivers for hardware on its own, sometimes even the video drivers can be up to date, though in that case you'll want to install the latest yourself anyways. Plus the stuff like SSD's that has been discussed in this thread.

On a decent machine 7 feels much better than XP. On low end stuff XP has an advantage for sure, but this is the [H]ardforum. Same with DX10/11. For example I've tested the difference in Civ5 and DX9 is ugly after playing in the DX10/11 mode, on games that support it this can make a real difference.

Gaming wise XP was faster than Vista by a notable amount, and for quite some time, but that LONG since changed. Maybe the articles you speak of are outdated. 7 again on a decent machine holds its own quite well vs XP and can beat it in some cases. Funny thing is I just saw a vid on youtube of some kid with a P4 and Geforce 6200 telling everyone how XP is superior for gaming, and this was just a couple months ago.

Plenty of [H]ers love 7 too, its not just me. It really is quite good and makes XP completely useless except in the case of really old hardware, especially with 2GB or less of RAM.
 
Ultima99 said:
Plenty of [H]ers love 7 too, its not just me. It really is quite good and makes XP completely useless except in the case of really old hardware, especially with 2GB or less of RAM.
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Im sure ill be able to strip it down nicely once I get around to it (as im sure many others have done) Just something about using ~7GB right of the bat is a crime to me. I do realize a lot of that stuff is built-in worthless drivers (every printer ever made) that I think can be stripped out.

I've used it before and it doesn't drive any better than my tweaked XP did (grid move and wizmouse are the two big ones I think) so why bother with the upgrade when it just eats more cycles and memory? I haven't had the need for DX10/11 yet.

I'll be sure to do some benchmarking before and after the install... but by then (a few months at least) we will have forgotten about this.
 
Unless you have an old school IDE SSD, remember that vanilla XP wont have the drivers for SATA disks nor be easy to install to one, so make sure you use a service pack 3 install.

Seriously for home use, unless your rocking a P3, no reason to go XP... Having to choose between 4gb-Vram memory, or a 64 bit version with a driver lottery for xp isn't exactly a premium experience.
 
Buckiller said:
Im sure ill be able to strip it down nicely once I get around to it (as im sure many others have done) Just something about using ~7GB right of the bat is a crime to me. I do realize a lot of that stuff is built-in worthless drivers (every printer ever made) that I think can be stripped out.

I've used it before and it doesn't drive any better than my tweaked XP did (grid move and wizmouse are the two big ones I think) so why bother with the upgrade when it just eats more cycles and memory? I haven't had the need for DX10/11 yet.
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What would you gain by "stripping" Windows 7? XP is not 7. XP is a dinosaur, and the "tweaks" that work with it no longer apply with 7. It's really not any more resource heavy than XP is. I've installed 7 on a bunch of old machines and they run 7 32-bit just as fast as XP ran on the same machine.

Also, there's a lot more to 7 than just DX10/11 you know...
 
So, apparently the Samsung SSD that ships with the Lenovo T410s does not work with Samsung SSD Magician. I guess there isn't much performance tuning we can use on these laptops while they still have Windwos XP install. Kind of sucks.
 
KapsZ28 said:
So, apparently the Samsung SSD that ships with the Lenovo T410s does not work with Samsung SSD Magician. I guess there isn't much performance tuning we can use on these laptops while they still have Windwos XP install. Kind of sucks.
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Sounds like its time for the company to start its Win7 migration and very convenient that SP1 just came out.
 
Ultima99 said:
Sounds like its time for the company to start its Win7 migration and very convenient that SP1 just came out.
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It was scheduled for this year and then delayed to next year. Chances are, it won't happen until 2013.
 
Jon55 said:
What would you gain by "stripping" Windows 7? XP is not 7. XP is a dinosaur, and the "tweaks" that work with it no longer apply with 7. It's really not any more resource heavy than XP is. I've installed 7 on a bunch of old machines and they run 7 32-bit just as fast as XP ran on the same machine.

Also, there's a lot more to 7 than just DX10/11 you know...
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1. Drastically reduce some HDD space (perhaps for a small SSD?)
2. Remove bloat programs that you never use (IE, WMP, many more)
3. Remove bloat files that you never use (drivers for things you never use like printers and more, help files, language files, many more)
4. Add programs/files you want (hotfixes, anything you specifically need)
5. Fit Win7 onto a CD instead of DVD.
for starters.
 
Buckiller said:
1. Drastically reduce some HDD space (perhaps for a small SSD?)
2. Remove bloat programs that you never use (IE, WMP, many more)
3. Remove bloat files that you never use (drivers for things you never use like printers and more, help files, language files, many more)
4. Add programs/files you want (hotfixes, anything you specifically need)
5. Fit Win7 onto a CD instead of DVD.
for starters.
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1. I'll give you that with a small SSD it can help, but on a normal HDD this is moot.
2. Serves little purpose and is a waste of time, but hey if it makes you feel better.
3. I consider those drivers a plus, not bloat. They don't slow anything down.
4. SP1 integrated is available now through slipstream, MSDN, Technet, etc. While there are post SP1 patches there's not exactly a million of them yet.
5. Who cares about fitting it on a CD? What is the benefit? DVDs are cheap and you're wasting time butchering a perfectly fine OS just so you can feel good about it fitting on a CD.

Overall it sounds to me like you're spending a lot of time worrying about nothing and are going to spend even more time making this "ideal" Win7 install.
 
Ultima99 said:
Overall it sounds to me like you're spending a lot of time worrying about nothing and are going to spend even more time making this "ideal" Win7 install.
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Call me crazy for not wanting a hundred different programs and services installed along with the OS. I have nothing major against the OS, it's just all the other stuff...
 
KapsZ28 said:
Well, it is a combination of applications that have not rebuilt for newer versions of IE and lack of money to upgrade those apps.
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Yeah they must really have no budget to be on a browser that turns 10 this August, and will likely still be using when it turns 12 in 2013 at which time you will theoretically get that OS upgrade.
 
Ultima99 said:
Yeah they must really have no budget to be on a browser that turns 10 this August, and will likely still be using when it turns 12 in 2013 at which time you will theoretically get that OS upgrade.
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Budget? Haha...They don't have money for anything especially with the other projects going on. We are now a bank holding company and have to meet certain requirements for the Feds. Right now it is all about everyone losing their admin access. We are using software called BeyondTrust to do this.
 
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