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SSD driving me nuts.

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BlackThought

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I have a Crucial M4 SSD, only had it for a few months now.

Ive googled and applied a lot of changes to my system but it's not helping that much, ive had my comp on for less than 2 hours now and ive written 3Gb's to it

Any useful tips...

EDIT: wrote 600MB writing this post lol
 
I can't really be of much help, but why are you monitoring it (and how). I'm using one and its been working great for a few months... I don't monitor usage though.
 
HD Sentinel and SSD Life



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did you disable virtual memory, page file and turn off system restore. Is your browser cacheing to your cdrive? Is your torrent temp directory set to your c: drive.
 
odd. very odd. what you need to do is go to your resource monitor, then select the disk pane. Click on the "Write" header so that it is organized showing what is writing the most up top.

see what the F*** is writing so much! please post back, very interesting!
 
Hey Computurd.

<---- Christopher, on XS

Yes, please do as Computurd commands. Open up taskmgr and add the IO write column.

We'll get to the bottom of it.
 
How do you know how much you've written? The M4 doesn't have a host write attribute, just PE cycles.

Could be a lot of things, maybe restore points are still on. Maybe God is punishing you.
 
Turn off/disable/remove ESET Smart Security and see what happens.
 
GetFunk01 said:
did you disable virtual memory, page file and turn off system restore. Is your browser cacheing to your cdrive? Is your torrent temp directory set to your c: drive.
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virtual, page file, sys restore are all off.

Browser cache, id hav eto look into that, coulda sworn i did already.
 
ESET shouldn't write so damn much. Usually just scanning the files means reading, not writing. The way I see how much a service is writing is through the task manager. I set it to show IO in bytes, and it keeps a running total. Since ESET is running all the time, you can see how much it's writing since your last reboot. Just open taskmgr, go to services, and add the IO column. You can see reads and writes cumulative since the process started. Then just sort by IO writes.
 
The picture you have is just showing per second writes, which is 19K a sec. That means if its consistent (ie one second it could write a lot, and the next a little) you would have 19MB after 100000 secs. So that doesn't say much.

Here is my TaskMGR:
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Skyrim has written 191MB roughly, since I started it about two hours ago. This was what I was talking about.
 
Sorry i misunderstood, heres the taskmanager again

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And the HD sentinel resets when i reboot, im at 51 MB since restarting
 
Hey BlackThough (you're not a Roots fan are you?),

How long was the system on for? In this picture?

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This drive has a read and write counter in its SMART attributes. That makes it easy to figure out how much has been written (the Mushkin is new, and the large # GB yesterday is from benchmarking).

Your M4 doesn't have that. Look in SSDLife, hit the SMART button, and see how many PE cycles it has (that's the only way to figure out how much your drive has written with the M4).

Basically, multiply the value (I think it's 173 WEAR LEVELING COUNT) by The drives capacity. That's a really rough way to figure it out though. It's not really all that accurate.

Also, is the drive properly aligned?
 
I see that 173 is 87 in dec.

So if you multiply 87 * 64GB you get a metric f@ckload, over 5TB. If I divide that number by the hours the drive is powered on, I get 3GB per hour. While I'm sure that's not accurate, it does make me think something uncool is going on.

The best thing to do is reboot the system and use it for the day. Keep taskmgr open, and you should be able to see what's writing and how much. I should point out that if for some reason the drive is not aligned to 4K, you could see a high PE count through write amplification.

If you run AS SSD:
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you'll see this. Don't run the benchmark, but just look at the top left information.
You should see something like 1024K -- OK. As long as you see that text in green and not red (and it will say BAD) you're drive is aligned. It's worth checking as you can fix it pretty easy (if it's not aligned)
 
Alright then. That means that it's for sure (or a few) programs doing this. The only way to track down which is basically by using the taskmgr to measure it over the course of a few hours.

I have Restore Points and Hibernation turned off on my desktop systems. Both take up space on the drive (hibernation = amount of ram in your system. Mine is 12GB, so that's a huge chunk of drive space lost).

I'm not familiar with ESET so much, and in fact I don't even use a security solution like that. It's probably not ESET on it's own, but a few things. Leaving Google Chrome open all the time adds about 10GB per day, depending on the number of tabs you have. I have it set to reopen last tabs, and just close it when I'm not using it (you can't offload the cache to memory like with firefox). IE does the same thing too. My system will only write about 1GB a day unless I specifically do something like install a large program or copy/download large files. Even 10GB a day is nothing.

Ultimately, you've only used 87PE cycles out of the 3000 the Micron NAND is rated for (and in reality it's a lot higher). You've used the drive for 1597 hours, so you've either had it on for over 2 months straight or you've only used it 8 or ten hours a day for 6 months. The identical Intel NAND is rated 5000PE cycles, so I tend to use that number. Either way, if you've had the drive 3 months, in another 6 months you'll have used 10% of those cycles if your usage pattern stays the same. It kinda puts that number in perspective.

Unfortunately, without a host write attribute on the drive it's really hard to know how much you've written to the drive in turn making it much harder to figure out what's going on daily in terms of writes (something SSDlife is really good for).

If it makes you feel any better, when the SSDlife number goes from where it is now (98%) down to 0 it starts over. You could go through it 4 times before the drive dies.
 
Ive had it for 3 months now.

And i'll leave my PC on to see how much i do in 24 hours and monitor, thanks for the help
 
Update this thread tomorrow with what you find out. Remember that if you close a program the counter starts back over in taskmgr.
 
lol this is going to be hard. I rebooted by accident

Im trying to move the Programdata folder to another drive, if i do that then my issues would be over i think.

But all the results want me to do a fresh install, which i refuse to do :D
 
Well, shit happens.

I've been thinking about this some more, and here is a checklist:

Are restore points on?
Are you using a swap file?
Can you uninstall ESET and reinstall it later if you so choose?
Is indexing turned on?
Are you using some kind of file syncing/incremental backup?
um.....

I think I'm out of questions for now.

That would help narrow it down, as I can't think of anything else that could be causing it.
 
ckryan said:
Well, shit happens.

I've been thinking about this some more, and here is a checklist:

Are restore points on?
Are you using a swap file?
Can you uninstall ESET and reinstall it later if you so choose?
Is indexing turned on?
Are you using some kind of file syncing/incremental backup?
um.....

I think I'm out of questions for now.

That would help narrow it down, as I can't think of anything else that could be causing it.
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All of those are off, i am extremely paranoid to uninstall ESET since ive been getting port scans from China :D
 
Well, it's not an antivirus so much as a malware/firewall/kitchen sink affair. I believe that it's the non antivirus stuff that could be the problem.
 
Though I don't use an anti virus suite/security suite either. I might just reinstall Windows tomorrow because I'm a maniac, or I might just throw another SSD in with a cloned image. That's just the unreasonable nature of how I do things.
 
I download illegal programs, and visit risky tube sites.i NEED antivirus lol

And i use Acronis to restore my image, i used to reformat if i got a error message or if i "thought" my PC was going slow, my record was 4 times in a week.

But......if i could move the program data folder, it would help, anyone know how to do this without reinstalling?
 
You would have to use junctions. I'll try to find a good tutorial and post it.
 
i think the illegal proggys are the source of your problem. you probably have a virus that you arent aware of, that is why i asked above. this is usually the case in things such as this.

Get antimalwarebytes and run a manual scan. eset doesn't get everything. you need to run a few different manual scanners.
 
Looking at the taskmgr pic, I see some unfamiliar entries but no red flags.
 
Actually, on a possibly unrelated note, I see that explorer is using 13% of your CPU in the taskmgr pic from yesterday. That could be just a random incident, or it's using more because your system is in a lower power state.

However, it could be a sign that something untoward is happening (the last malware on a system I had was from 8 years ago. This malware would scan your HDD for email addresses to send copies of itself to. I had a new copy of Norton that didn't catch it, so I basically stopped using that shit a while back.)

If you're doing anything really "high risk", I suggest using Linux in a VM. Just a thought.
 
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