Sony - with a straight face

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Did anyone else just watch the live Sony press conference where they ripped off gyro in their controller with a straight face. They completely ditched the boomerang and didn't look back. I am still in shock, honestly.
 
it has the same thing as the wii controller built into it. I don't see ps3 developers using the feature though. Maybe they can do wii ports or something but i doubt it.
 
Sigh. I really wish Nintendo kept their stuff secret for a tad longer.
 
And the L2/R2 buttons are now triggers from the looks of it. Sony jumped on that bandwagon, finally, and it's the right move.
 
I couldn't help but laugh at them when I saw it go down. And then the price.

Everyone else can think whatever they like, but to me Sony is looking to be the laughing stock of E3.
 
ManCannon said:
I couldn't help but laugh at them when I saw it go down. And then the price.

Everyone else can think whatever they like, but to me Sony is looking to be the laughing stock of E3.
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How so. If anything they exceeded expectations. Everyone thought they will have nothing. Thought the prices were going to be extremely high. They came and they delievered with extreme confidence. Prices arent bad at all. You get Blu Ray, plus a whole bunch of other features, standard wireless controllers. Hell a standalone HD DVD player is 500 as it is. You can get Blu Ray in the PS3 for 500. Sony did a great job IMO.
 
Lazy_Moron said:
How so. If anything they exceeded expectations. Everyone thought they will have nothing. Thought the prices were going to be extremely high. They came and they delievered with extreme confidence. Prices arent bad at all. You get Blu Ray, plus a whole bunch of other features, standard wireless controllers. Hell a standalone HD DVD player is 500 as it is. You can get Blu Ray in the PS3 for 500. Sony did a great job IMO.
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Microsoft is releasing an HD-DVD add on in October for $100. And they are rumored to be dropping the price of the 360 by $100.
 
They completely ripped off Nintendo with a straight face which was a sight to behold and they're releasing at a price that is not at all competitive with the 360 or Revolution. Sure those extra features are nice, but to your average consumer they're going to be meaningless.

See it however you want, what I saw was a joke, even the games didn't excite me.
 
Archer75 said:
Microsoft is releasing an HD-DVD add on in October for $100. And they are rumored to be dropping the price of the 360 by $100.
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Ok, that is fine and dandy. Rumors are rumors, and look where the PS3 is now. Im not doubting it, im sure they will to take away some of the people from getting a PS3 at launch. Still, I believe the PS3 is a way better deal. I just think its stupid flaming them on the price and saying the graphics suck and what not. Pretty pointless.
 
Lazy_Moron said:
Ok, that is fine and dandy. Rumors are rumors, and look where the PS3 is now. Im not doubting it, im sure they will to take away some of the people from getting a PS3 at launch. Still, I believe the PS3 is a way better deal. I just think its stupid flaming them on the price and saying the graphics suck and what not. Pretty pointless.
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A $600 console and $80 games is a better deal? The PS3 is more difficult to program for and if developers don't spend the time to code for each of it's specialized processor then the 360 is alot more powerful.
HD-DVD is a better format. Cheaper to produce, less DRM than BlueRay. Sony's track record with new media is rather horrible. Not to mention the whole rootkit fiasco.

But in the end i'm a PC gamer so what do I care.
 
Lazy_Moron said:
Ok, that is fine and dandy. Rumors are rumors, and look where the PS3 is now. Im not doubting it, im sure they will to take away some of the people from getting a PS3 at launch. Still, I believe the PS3 is a way better deal. I just think its stupid flaming them on the price and saying the graphics suck and what not. Pretty pointless.
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It's not flaming, it's an opinion, and I didn't see anyone mention graphics.

Besides, you're sitting here claiming that Sony's show was impressive because no one was expecting anything out of them this E3, that everyone was "Expecting them to have nothing". I feel that couldn't be further from the truth, I think people were expecting a lot out of them and what they delivered was entirely underwhelming, at least from where I'm sitting.
 
Archer75 said:
A $600 console and $80 games is a better deal? The PS3 is more difficult to program for and if developers don't spend the time to code for each of it's specialized processor then the 360 is alot more powerful.
HD-DVD is a better format. Cheaper to produce, less DRM than BlueRay. Sony's track record with new media is rather horrible. Not to mention the whole rootkit fiasco.

But in the end i'm a PC gamer so what do I care.
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$80 games? where did u hear that? or are you just guessing?
 
Carbon_Le said:
$80 games? where did u hear that? or are you just guessing?
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That's way old news. There are many developers on record stating that the games will be $70-$80 each. Due to the fact the PS3 is alot more difficult to program for. It only has one general purpose processor and 6 or 7 highly specialized processors. Compared to the 3 general processors of the 360.
 
Archer75 said:
That's way old news. There are many developers on record stating that the games will be $70-$80 each. Due to the fact the PS3 is alot more difficult to program for. It only has one general purpose processor and 6 or 7 highly specialized processors. Compared to the 3 general processors of the 360.
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"Way old news" that I've never heard of before, ever.

Yep.
 
Again this isn't the same as the Revolution controller. The rev controller actually tracks what you are doing this is just a tilt mechanism. You are not going to be wielding guns with this thing. I really hate idiots, too bad 90% of the internet are.
 
Sweet! With it's new controller and everything, I'm gonna buy the Playstation Thwii!
 
Sony, the masters of lies, ripoffs and scams. This controller is so sad it's funny. Instead of releasing a new controller (like they were going to...) they do a two bit rip off of nintendo while using their old tired design. I mean gimme a break, tilt control? I guess they missed the part where nintento's controller will recognize movement on the x,y and z axes.
 
Banko said:
Again this isn't the same as the Revolution controller. The rev controller actually tracks what you are doing this is just a tilt mechanism. You are not going to be wielding guns with this thing. I really hate idiots, too bad 90% of the internet are.
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I think that's obvious, I'm just saying that it's an absolutely hilarious and simultaneously pathetic attempt at stealing Nintendo's thunder.
 
That was an extremly sad confrence. ALOT of the people in the chat room I was in were very Loyal Sony guys. A great bunch I must say. Not the childish bunch I am use to running into on multiple forums. How could you not laugh at it? Come on, GT HD? It was only an upscaled version of GT4 in 1080p & there was a few slowdowns & frame dropages there. That other game that was similar to Dynasty Wars. The frame dropage & slowdown there was ooooooo ever so obvious. Even the Sony loyalist were disapointed. The coolest things we saw there was....

Interactive Card battle System. That was Damn Nice.
The PSP being used as a rear view Mirror. A very cool idea.
The FFXIII clip. Had some in game footage as well as some CGI.
EA's showings of there titles. This is EA however, they overhype everything.

I really don't care what kind of fan of Sony you are, but that conference was terrible. The attendies pretty much showed that with there weak applauses. I will wait however, as I am hoping the developer booths really show what the PS3 can do. That conference did not impress me much at all. The pads defeintly look like a spinoff of ideas from the Nintendo Wii & Xbox 360 controllers. It also has no rumble feature anymore =).

-DarkLegacy
 
DarkLegacy said:
That was an extremly sad confrence. ALOT of the people in the chat room I was in were very Loyal Sony guys. A great bunch I must say. Not the childish bunch I am use to running into on multiple forums. How could you not laugh at it? Come on, GT HD? It was only an upscaled version of GT4 in 1080p & there was a few slowdowns & frame dropages there. That other game that was similar to Dynasty Wars. The frame dropage & slowdown there was ooooooo ever so obvious. Even the Sony loyalist were disapointed. The coolest things we saw there was....

Interactive Card battle System. That was Damn Nice.
The PSP being used as a rear view Mirror. A very cool idea.
The FFXIII clip. Had some in game footage as well as some CGI.
EA's showings of there titles. This is EA however, they overhype everything.

I really don't care what kind of fan of Sony you are, but that conference was terrible. The attendies pretty much showed that with there weak applauses. I will wait however, as I am hoping the developer booths really show what the PS3 can do. That conference did not impress me much at all. The pads defeintly look like a spinoff of ideas from the Nintendo Wii & Xbox 360 controllers. It also has no rumble feature anymore =).

-DarkLegacy
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What!? No rumble feature?! Link?!
 
ManCannon said:
They completely ripped off Nintendo with a straight face which was a sight to behold and they're releasing at a price that is not at all competitive with the 360 or Revolution. Sure those extra features are nice, but to your average consumer they're going to be meaningless.

See it however you want, what I saw was a joke, even the games didn't excite me.
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From gamespot:

...then be sure you attribute the correct source. They didn't steal from Nintendo. They actually stole from Microsoft (and Logitech). The picture you're looking at here is a picture I took of gyroscopic, motion sensing controllers that Logitech and Microsoft manufactured for the PC in 1999. Yes, 1999 as in more than seven years ago.

Contary to the rapidly developing urban legend that's forming now, the idea of a motion sensing controller is not something Nintendo invented just last year. It's just as false as the Nintendo invented analog joysticks and Al Gore invented the internet fairy tales. Actual products that you could BUY were available more than seven years ago on your PC. I used these controllers to play games like Motocross Madness and Star Wars: Rogue Squadron. And they worked exactly as you saw that Sony representative playing Warhawk during the E3 press conference. So while hundreds of farked images of the Sony PS3 controller are being constructed and uploaded now accusing Sony of stealing from Nintendo, I just wanted to point out that this idea was soooo 20th century, and immediately flamed out on the PC because they were honestly more of a novelty than they were practical.

For whatever reason, motion sensing controllers are now all the rage, as two of the big three are offering this functionality in their new consoles. But unless developers really embrace the technology and use it as a basis for their game designs, it's not going to be any different in 2006 than it was for the Logitech Gamepad Extreme and Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle controllers on the PC in 1999. Here's hoping things turn out better for this new-old idea used in both the Wii and the PS3.
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DarkLegacy said:
The PSP being used as a rear view Mirror. A very cool idea.
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Link?!

Contary to the rapidly developing urban legend that's forming now, the idea of a motion sensing controller is not something Nintendo invented just last year.
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Powerglove
 
Trinitrotoluene said:
From gamespot:
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One thing everyone needs to understand, though, is that the PS3 controller has nowhere near the features of the Wii controller. The PS3 controller can sense tilting motions. The Wii remote can sense true 3D space. Foreward backward motions, side to side motions, up and down motions. Diagonal motions. All of those mixed and far & in between.

The gyro feature in the PS3 is a nice little feature, but is nothing compared to the Wii remote.
 
I'm aware that gyroscopic controllers were around well before the Wii's controller was unveiled Trini, but it's pretty obvious this was just a tacked on feature to steal Nintendo's thunder. I didn't see any of the actual games with this feature implemented (aside from Warhawk), just rubber ducky tech demos which leads me to the conclusion that the games weren't developed with the controller's motion sensing abilities in mind and that this "feature" is merely an afterthought, a move to counter Nintendo's controller hype.
 
Sly said:
Link?!
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No link as of yet. They showed it being done at the conference that was streamed on Gamespot. The PSP acted as a rear view mirror for a PS3 racing title. They were showing how you can use both at the same time for a game.

-LatinLegacy
 
If you look back far enough, I'm sure you could find gyro/accelerometer computer input devices from the '90s, '80s, '70s, and maybe the '60s.

You'd need to be pretty stupid to think that Sony took their inspiration from these earlier devices when they gave a tech demo of this (with no significant game integration) a few months after one of their competitors unveiled something similar.
 
DarkLegacy said:
That was an extremly sad confrence. ALOT of the people in the chat room I was in were very Loyal Sony guys. A great bunch I must say. Not the childish bunch I am use to running into on multiple forums. How could you not laugh at it? Come on, GT HD? It was only an upscaled version of GT4 in 1080p & there was a few slowdowns & frame dropages there. That other game that was similar to Dynasty Wars. The frame dropage & slowdown there was ooooooo ever so obvious. Even the Sony loyalist were disapointed. The coolest things we saw there was....

Interactive Card battle System. That was Damn Nice.
The PSP being used as a rear view Mirror. A very cool idea.
The FFXIII clip. Had some in game footage as well as some CGI.
EA's showings of there titles. This is EA however, they overhype everything.

I really don't care what kind of fan of Sony you are, but that conference was terrible. The attendies pretty much showed that with there weak applauses. I will wait however, as I am hoping the developer booths really show what the PS3 can do. That conference did not impress me much at all. The pads defeintly look like a spinoff of ideas from the Nintendo Wii & Xbox 360 controllers. It also has no rumble feature anymore =).

-DarkLegacy
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I'm gonna disagree with you on the psp as a mirror thing. I think that is the most useless feature ever. Still the card battle thing (after a good deal more work) should be kinda cool though, I see it being better suited to an arcade than to a console.
 
Archer75 said:
Microsoft is releasing an HD-DVD add on in October for $100. And they are rumored to be dropping the price of the 360 by $100.
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Those are just rumors, but I hope the add-on HD-DVD drive will be $100. I don't see any purpose in Microsoft dropping the price an extra $100 when they are losing a lot of money per console sold, and the cheapest PS3 is still going to be $200 more than the cheapest X360.
 
another reason of many reasons why im buying a x360 :D

god almightly sony realy messed up big time with that controller. when will they ever ditch that controler design
 
Does anyone know when exactly during the press conference the tilt/motion sensor was shown off? I missed the live streaming and downloaded the video of the conference off IGN, 1 hour 50 minutes, I started getting bored and skipping through it, and I missed the controller piece. I'd like to see Sony's poor attempt at stealing Nintendo's idea.

Honestly, I was ready to fall asleep within 15 minutes of Sony's conference. At first I told myself to be patient and give them a chance, surely it would get better. Nope. Only got worse.

EDIT: BTW, before anyone says I'm an Anti-Sony dude or something, I'll have you know I own a PS1, PSOne, PS2, and PSP, as well as all of Nintendo and Microsofts respective consoles as well. I'm a gamer, not a fan boy.
 
zero002021 said:
Does anyone know when exactly during the press conference the tilt/motion sensor was shown off? I missed the live streaming and downloaded the video of the conference off IGN, 1 hour 50 minutes, I started getting bored and skipping through it, and I missed the controller piece. I'd like to see Sony's poor attempt at stealing Nintendo's idea.

Honestly, I was ready to fall asleep within 15 minutes of Sony's conference. At first I told myself to be patient and give them a chance, surely it would get better. Nope. Only got worse.
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Very near to the end. I don't blame you for going to sleep :p
 
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